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[Trade] Canucks trade Jay Beagle, Loui Eriksson, Antoine Roussel, 2021 1st-round pick, 2022 2nd-round pick, 2023 7th-round pick to Coyotes for Oliver Ekman-Larsson, Conor Garland


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Just now, NewbieCanuckFan said:

Great offensively.  Defensively?  eh, not remotely as good.  Hughes has a the legitimate excuse as he's young & still learning.  Rathbone is a rookie.  There's a reason why Schmidt had all those tough defensive assignments even though he's primarily a solid two-way defenseman vs shutdown specialist.

why don't you wait and see chicken little? To say these NHL defensemen can't play defense is just wrong and a major hyperbole, no doubt some are better than others, but the roster isn't finalized yet so why don't you wait until then to start obsessing over who is going to play defense. 

 

IMO the D-corps on this team looks better than it has it years - an addition of a good RHD or two will make this team a very strong contender.

 

Just relax and wait to see what happens. I will be waiting with excited anticipation because I see the foundation that's being built here today, at the cost of a couple of lottery tickets, is one that will be competing for a long time to come.  

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Just now, DSVII said:

Yea there's no way we're spending 24+ mil of our cap on just our top 4 Defensemen

 

 

For the first time amongst all the bs about Schmidt this summer. I think he’s moved. Finally makes sense to me now that OEL is a Canuck. 

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3 minutes ago, Ray_Cathode said:

If Benning pulls off this debacle, it will just prove that he has learned nothing from the Eriksson, Beagle, and Roussel trades. There is only ONE year left on each of those awful deals, where he acquired players over or approaching thirty on multi year vastly over-priced deals for players that either have, or are teetering on, these players’ years of rapid decline.

 

Each of those players’ production declined sharply from the time they were acquired. Oh, and add Sutter to that same list. Ekman-Larson has been in decline from the time he got his EIGHT year contract, two years ago. As a re-inforcer, he just added Schmidt to that list of rapidly fading, superannuated, overpaid failures. Can’t blame the player... they just took the money. An NHL career, for the vast majority of players, is short, and theses players are no exception. Signing the vast majority of players approaching thirty, to high price, long term contracts, is absurdly stupid.

 

Benning appears to be doubling down on daft. This ridiculous trade would commit us to SIX more high priced years with Ekaman-Larsen, in order to get rid of one year each of Eriksson, Roussel, and Beagle. Arizona should be sending us the draft picks for getting rid of six years of Ekman-Larsen. We are rid of Eriksson et-al in a year. Benning is trading the crippling effect of  his prior bad trades for six years of Ekman-Larsen, and giving up a high first and a second for the privilege. If you think second picks have no value - Demko and Hoglander are second picks. 
 

If the owner’s weren’t asleep at the wheel, Benning would be down the road. Enough already. If they do this trade, I am done with them, and who exactly is going to populate that team in Abbotsford, with no draft picks of any worth to develop there, because we don’t draft hardly at all from Canadian Junior leagues - normally the players who need multi year development in the AHL. Most of our development now happens in Europe, so why the heck should I get season tickets in Abbotsford.

 

I live in Abbotsford, time to cultivate some support for the Kraken. It looks like they may have a team worth cheering for. What an immense disappointment are the Canucks.

If you're stuck in line at the border on your way to Kraken games, you can read about our 3 new players....

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Just now, VegasCanuck said:

So, if I'm doing my math right, we now have about 22.3 million in cap space, with Ferland on LTIR, and the Luongo recapture.

 

Even if we had to buy out Holtby (pretty sure we can trade him), and Virtanen (Pretty sure we can't trade him), that would give us an additional 6.3 million, a total of 28.6 million in cap space going into free agency. Just by subtraction, we've improved the team and team speed (not that Beagle was slow).

 

Getting rid of LE, it's like a huge boat anchor has been lifted off of us, we're younger and faster, especially when you take into account the Dickinson trade as well.

 

 

Its almost like I could breath a little easier after seeing this trade. 

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Just now, Smashian Kassian said:

Can't remember the last time we went into the season expecting our team to be good, but looking at;

 

Miller - Petey - Boeser

Hog - Horvat - Garland

Pearson - Robertson - Podkolzin

 

OEL - Schmidt

Hughes - Hamonic/Savard(?)

Rathbone - Myers

 

Demko

 

They should be a good team. And that's so exciting.

Im bouncing off the walls rn(right now)

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6 minutes ago, BPA said:

Holy Moly. 

 

Canucks got about $18M in cap space to sign our RFAs and UFAs.  And we still have that bogus $3M Luongo recapture penalty this year.

Tight indeed. 18.7M at the moment, say a Virtanen buyout gives us an extra 1.2M relief and we're at 20M.

 

Petey - 7M

Hughes - 5M

Garland - 3M

Dickinson - 2M

Sutter - 1M

Hamonic - 2M

Juolevi - 1M 

 

That's 21M including those contracts so would be pretty close and they're pretty conservative estimates.

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1 minute ago, Jayinblack said:

Just look at the trade like 9OA for Garland instead of Reinhardt.

 

Then it's a 2nd and 7th  and a tonne of cap space for OEL at $7M cap hit

I hear you Jay, but no way would I have done 9oa for Garland so the rest is moot to me.  

 

I know people are high on Garland but I'm sure there would have been a FAR better asset available to us at 9oa.

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4 minutes ago, Ray_Cathode said:

If Benning pulls off this debacle, it will just prove that he has learned nothing from the Eriksson, Beagle, and Roussel trades. There is only ONE year left on each of those awful deals, where he acquired players over or approaching thirty on multi year vastly over-priced deals for players that either have, or are teetering on, these players’ years of rapid decline.

 

Each of those players’ production declined sharply from the time they were acquired. Oh, and add Sutter to that same list. Ekman-Larson has been in decline from the time he got his EIGHT year contract, two years ago. As a re-inforcer, he just added Schmidt to that list of rapidly fading, superannuated, overpaid failures. Can’t blame the player... they just took the money. An NHL career, for the vast majority of players, is short, and theses players are no exception. Signing the vast majority of players approaching thirty, to high price, long term contracts, is absurdly stupid.

 

Benning appears to be doubling down on daft. This ridiculous trade would commit us to SIX more high priced years with Ekaman-Larsen, in order to get rid of one year each of Eriksson, Roussel, and Beagle. Arizona should be sending us the draft picks for getting rid of six years of Ekman-Larsen. We are rid of Eriksson et-al in a year. Benning is trading the crippling effect of  his prior bad trades for six years of Ekman-Larsen, and giving up a high first and a second for the privilege. If you think second picks have no value - Demko and Hoglander are second picks. 
 

If the owner’s weren’t asleep at the wheel, Benning would be down the road. Enough already. If they do this trade, I am done with them, and who exactly is going to populate that team in Abbotsford, with no draft picks of any worth to develop there, because we don’t draft hardly at all from Canadian Junior leagues - normally the players who need multi year development in the AHL. Most of our development now happens in Europe, so why the heck should I get season tickets in Abbotsford.

 

I live in Abbotsford, time to cultivate some support for the Kraken. It looks like they may have a team worth cheering for. What an immense disappointment are the Canucks.

Really hope someone archives your post.

:)

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4 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:

Benning to our scouts after they spent the last 2 years of their lives scouting players in the first round.

 

face slap GIF

They still have a second , two 5ths and forty 7ths. LOL

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4 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said:

 

None of what you listed are on ice factors. Ownership looks at the franchise as a business (or close to it) and we finished worse than the Senators. That is unacceptable given very strong showing in the bubble. 

None are on ice factors? I've seen some silly posts on this site, congrats, yours is right up there.

 

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4 minutes ago, KoreanHockeyFan said:

All Benning had to do was just wait 1 more year...why.

 

I'll hope for the best, but this trade is a no-go for me. 

This. People have such horrible PTSD from the Loui Eriksson deal that they aren't willing to go one more year with him. 

 

OEL is definitely an upgrade, but the cap you lose from Eriksson/Beagle/Roussel in just one year is 13 &^@#ING million dollars. You can do so much with that in the 2022 offseason. If Benning does this trade three years ago, he's an absolute God. Doing this trade now is like deciding to have chemotherapy after the cancer is already in remission. You're almost out of the woods, don't go ahead and add more trees. 

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