Popular Post Rindiculous Posted November 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 4, 2021 8 hours ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said: I’m usually on the side of the analytics guys (at least on balance), but this just makes me At least he’s acknowledging the obvious improvement, but JFresh’s refusal to post current season stats is disappointing. Because you know if OEL was struggling, he’d be painting Twitter with flashy charts and “Yikes OEL” posts, and not citing sample size and a need to wait for a full season’s worth of results. It’s ten games in, and OEL has already contributed the best defensive GAR he’s had in a season since 2015-16. And he’s already nearly half a win above replacement, after just an eighth of a season played. Of course, there’s a chance he doesn’t maintain these numbers. 10 games isn’t a very large sample. But if OEL does keep this up, we’d be looking at a season that would rank among the top-3 of his entire career. The improvements so far, over last season, have been nearly global. But most encouraging has been the massive gain in defensive impact (EV defence +44%; 2.1 GAR) while playing the most defensive deployment (zonestarts) OEL has seen in 5 years. OEL’s defensive stats were always the most concerning, when you looked at his career trend lines, but so far, at least, this ten game sample has not only seen him buck that trend, but return to the level of positive defensive impact he enjoyed in his prime. Hopefully this continues. And not just for this season, but several more. These defensive stats I've included not only paint him as a good defensive defenseman, but the very best in the entire league this year. On top of that, look at these graphs from both OEL and Myers compared to Tanev. These two have been the top shutdown pairing in the NHL. Only problem is their offense but I'm thinking once the Canucks actually start producing from their forwards more consistently, that will change. Imagine if they could keep these defensive stats as the best defensive pairing in the league while also becoming good offensively when hopefully the forwards turn it around offensively. OEL could turn Myers into a top pairing Dman if that happens. What a godsend OEL is for Myers. 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 18 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said: OEL may show some offense as the season progresses, but seeing how he and the entire defense are performing, at least to me, speaks to the effect that Brad Shaw is already having on how they're deployed. The D has needed more structure for a while now, and with the additions of players like OEL and Poolman, it's showing. There's a lot more composure on the backend. Hopefully, this will lead to more structure through the neutral zone, and impact how the forwards enter and play in the opposition's end. I like how well the d-zone play has improved during this home stand. Hamonic was.icing on the cake. Schenn as well. Bottom line they are more efficient at moving the puck out. Fewer turnovers. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 10 minutes ago, Boudrias said: I like how well the d-zone play has improved during this home stand. Hamonic was.icing on the cake. Schenn as well. Bottom line they are more efficient at moving the puck out. Fewer turnovers. Very true. It's been so long since the team has had a full compliment of NHL defensemen. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 11 hours ago, Rindiculous said: These defensive stats I've included not only paint him as a good defensive defenseman, but the very best in the entire league this year. On top of that, look at these graphs from both OEL and Myers compared to Tanev. These two have been the top shutdown pairing in the NHL. Only problem is their offense but I'm thinking once the Canucks actually start producing from their forwards more consistently, that will change. Imagine if they could keep these defensive stats as the best defensive pairing in the league while also becoming good offensively when hopefully the forwards turn it around offensively. OEL could turn Myers into a top pairing Dman if that happens. What a godsend OEL is for Myers. Those are some sexy suppression stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rindiculous Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 (edited) Ok one more thing and then I might take a break on gushing over OEL lol. This graph shows all the Canucks defenders playing without OEL compared to him playing without them. Seeing how close all the blue boxes are show how much he elevates every other defenseman on the roster to his level. Look how much better he makes every single defender on the team. Currently Myers and him are the only two players on the Canucks with over a 50% xGF% on the team. Hopefully, as the team is able to get in a groove on offense, more of the team can join them there, but also push him and Myers from 53% xGF% to somewhere over 60%. With how poorly the offense has played so far, to have the best expected goals on the team while playing 40% of the game against the toughest matchups, this pairing has been one of, if not the best in the NHL analytically so far this season. Edited November 5, 2021 by Rindiculous 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-P Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 10 hours ago, Rindiculous said: Ok one more thing and then I might take a break on gushing over OEL lol. This graph shows all the Canucks defenders playing without OEL compared to playing with him. Look how much better he makes every single defender on the team. Currently Myers and him are the only two players on the Canucks with over a 50% xGF% on the team. Hopefully, as the team is able to get in a groove on offense, more of the team can join them there, but also push him and Myers from 53% xGF% to somewhere over 60%. With how poorly the offense has played so far, to have the best expected goals on the team while playing 40% of the game against the toughest matchups, this pairing has been one of, if not the best in the NHL analytically so far this season. Really interesting. Posted a link in the trade thread to your post, it really is astonishing what a difference it makes to have an all-around top D complementing QH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsiders Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 (edited) Surprised to see people still $&!#ting over OEL. The Hockey guy on youtube did a video on the Canucks and ripped OEL the whole time. Sure he isn't scoring at the rate he normally does but that will come. The important thing is he looks good defensively. Edit - Same with on Spittin Chicklets, (Whit said OEL looks slow and bad defensively). Edited November 21, 2021 by Outsiders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted November 21, 2021 Author Share Posted November 21, 2021 11 hours ago, Outsiders said: Surprised to see people still $&!#ting over OEL. The Hockey guy on youtube did a video on the Canucks and ripped OEL the whole time. Sure he isn't scoring at the rate he normally does but that will come. The important thing is he looks good defensively. Edit - Same with on Spittin Chicklets, (Whit said OEL looks slow and bad defensively). Yeah, I got a really sour taste in my mouth after that. The Hockey Guy never liked the deal and I think is using the poor performance of the team to justify his dislike for the trade, even though I think our two pieces from the trade have been some of the brighter spots on our year. It's rare, as I usually appreciate his perspective, but I feel that he slips heavily into negativity when things go poorly for Vancouver and seeing as he's a hypercritical fan, he's frustrating to watch/listen to in those times. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KirkSave Posted November 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 21, 2021 OEL has been our best d-man. Period. Great breakout passes. Plays with composure. Throws his weight around. Sticks up for his teammates. Gets pucks to the net every game. Once his offense picks up, he will hopefully not have such a target on his back. Guys has been a stud. I shutter to think where we would be without him this year. His play has been consistently solid night in and night out. 2 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxVerstappen33 Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 On 11/21/2021 at 12:19 AM, Outsiders said: Edit - Same with on Spittin Chicklets, (Whit said OEL looks slow and bad defensively). They probably haven't looked into it then. They are just using the Canucks record as a gauge of OEL's performance. That is just really stupid. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post -Vintage Canuck- Posted January 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 5, 2022 https://t.co/HxsyzfZoP0 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 12 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: https://t.co/HxsyzfZoP0 so he is playing better than Loui Ericksson? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 OEL has been awesome, should get some Norris votes at least, I think as we do better or continue to play well and hopefully climb the standings, he will get more media buzz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rindiculous Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, Canucks Curse said: OEL has been awesome, should get some Norris votes at least, I think as we do better or continue to play well and hopefully climb the standings, he will get more media buzz He won't get any buzz unless he does anything offensively. Defensive guys never get any attention, but I'm glad Elliotte Friedman and Jeff Marek have picked up on this and pointed out how good he has been defensively this year. They're probably the best out of market guys in terms of objectional analysis. Edited January 5, 2022 by Rindiculous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 29 minutes ago, Rindiculous said: He won't get any buzz unless he does anything offensively. Defensive guys never get any attention, but I'm glad Elliotte Friedman and Jeff Marek have picked up on this and pointed out how good he has been defensively this year. They're probably the best out of market guys in terms of objectional analysis. wait a minute, did you just say something nice about the media? that is not how its done around these parts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rindiculous Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, lmm said: wait a minute, did you just say something nice about the media? that is not how its done around these parts I make exceptions for people who are not just talking heads who are talking out of their ass. Those are few and far between, but Elliotte Friedman is about the only out of market guy who I trust for good analysis. He probably knows more about current workings in the NHL than anyone else in the media. Edited January 5, 2022 by Rindiculous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustABandwagoner Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 OEL without a question. Wish we fired Benning earlier... Desperation move to make the playoffs (horrible contract down the line) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 1 hour ago, DontMessMe said: OEL without a question. Wish we fired Benning earlier... Desperation move to make the playoffs (horrible contract down the line) Funny, I'd say Hamonic by far. OEL has been great, likely still has many high level years ahead of him and by the time his contract becomes a "problem", cap should be coming up and it's probably the going rate for a 2nd pair D. Hamonic has been basically useless between injuries and vaccine issues. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 5 hours ago, DontMessMe said: OEL without a question. Wish we fired Benning earlier... Desperation move to make the playoffs (horrible contract down the line) I saw that OEL is #1 in EV goals against. If it's not him, we would have to find someone else like him. I agree that the contract probably won't age well but who knows? None of us has seen the future. I would choose Hamonic thus far because he barely played. Could have used that cap space to get help elsewhere. If Hamonic is in the line up, I think that makes Poolman redundant. OEL-Myers Hughes-Schenn LD-Hamonic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 12 hours ago, DontMessMe said: OEL without a question. Wish we fired Benning earlier... Desperation move to make the playoffs (horrible contract down the line) It’s a misrepresentative poll because there is no “none” option. OEL is in his prime. That trade was a steal by Benning. We got a top pair D, a top six winger, and dumped three bad contracts for Dylan Geunther who is obviously a bustaroo bonsai. We need our goalie to be as good as his opposite. Then we will win. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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