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2 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Maybe their desire to play (when injured) is an indication of their inner compete level and it's a good think that way?

I just want these guys to live here full time and not head home to Sweden and take it easy.  They need to be 110% committed to training.  Yes, they have lives, but winning needs to be what their prime focus is while playing.  

Yah, because Pettersson and OEL are the type of athletes that'll go back home and have a Kyle Wellwood or Jake Virtanen type of off-season. 

 

Give it a rest.

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3 minutes ago, eeeeergh said:

We have the room for Halak's performance bonus against this year's cap already, so we're covered there.

Moving Hamonic and bringing in Dermott already took care of that.

But I do agree - sideline OEL until he feels better. Petey too, that wrist looks lke its bothering him again. 

At first I thought so too about the cap space for Halak's bonus, but after thinking about it I believe that you have to be under the cap before LTIR to pay bonuses and also that the cap hit is calculated over the entire season and not just the remaining time. Capfriendly shows us with no money available for bonuses. Maybe @mllcan share some expertise and enlighten us?

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2 minutes ago, bigbadcanucks said:

Yah, because Pettersson and OEL are the type of athletes that'll go back home and have a Kyle Wellwood or Jake Virtanen type of off-season. 

 

Give it a rest.

OEL said himself he needed to work harder in the off season.

 

You need to wake up and drink the scotch.  :frantic:

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2 minutes ago, bigbadcanucks said:

Yah, because Pettersson and OEL are the type of athletes that'll go back home and have a Kyle Wellwood or Jake Virtanen type of off-season. 

 

Give it a rest.

In fairness to Alf, Petey did admit that he spent too much of his previous offseasons focusing on his brand/image and not enough on preparation. 

However, based on his effort this season, even when things weren't going well, I think Petey's going to give the offseason his best effort

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5 hours ago, Mathew Barzal said:

As someone who is contract illiterate, is OEL’s contract buyout friendly in the latter years? I can’t imagine the team will want him sticking around for more than 2-3 years going forward. Especially at that cap hit.

Looks on Cap Friendly that we would have him on the books for 10 more years if bought out now.  He'd be 4.5 mil for next season (so a savings of about 3).  Then the next year we save almost the full 7 mil.  But after that it's about 2 mil for the next 8 with two years at 4.5.  

Can we replace what he does for the savings?  Not too sure if a buy out is a wise move.

https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/oliver-ekman-larsson

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It's best to give it some time.  As long as OEL is munching minutes, protecting rookies, moving

the puck well, skating well and maybe even scoring (if he had a defensive dman partner), he is

still an asset to the team.  If his contract was $5.2m there would be no discussion.  The time to

buy him out is If/when he starts to decline; the penalty would be far less that way.

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8 hours ago, Mathew Barzal said:

As someone who is contract illiterate, is OEL’s contract buyout friendly in the latter years? I can’t imagine the team will want him sticking around for more than 2-3 years going forward. Especially at that cap hit.

I'm not a contract expert, but I believe the thing that made Loui's contract so buyout proof was signing bonuses, of which OEL has a few. His last one takes place next year, so my guess is that starting in 2023-24, it won't be too bad to buy him out, aside from the natural long duration and relatively high cap hit, just based on the size of the contract.

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2 hours ago, DontMessMe said:

UGHHH BENNING WHYYYYY. This contract is worse than King Loui's contract... 

It's not good, but I doubt it's Loui-level bad. At least OEL's a solid 3/4 guy. Loui was mostly a third liner at best and most of the time he wasn't even quite good enough for that role. OEL's contract is probably close to even with Loui's cap hit when you factor in inflation (considering we're paying 7.26M)

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4 hours ago, -AJ- said:

It's not good, but I doubt it's Loui-level bad. At least OEL's a solid 3/4 guy. Loui was mostly a third liner at best and most of the time he wasn't even quite good enough for that role. OEL's contract is probably close to even with Loui's cap hit when you factor in inflation (considering we're paying 7.26M)

The contract of OEL is problematic not Loui bad I but Canucks are paying OEL Ekblad and Hedman money for a fraction of the contribution. Being a 3/4 defenseman is a massive disappointment considering that contract and when Benning said he sees OEL as a #1 D-Man (contract to what the folks in Sportsnet and The Arizona had to say about his recent decline). 

 

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25 minutes ago, iinatcc said:

The contract of OEL is problematic not Loui bad I but Canucks are paying OEL Ekblad and Hedman money for a fraction of the contribution. Being a 3/4 defenseman is a massive disappointment considering that contract and when Benning said he sees OEL as a #1 D-Man (contract to what the folks in Sportsnet and The Arizona had to say about his recent decline). 

 

The thing for me is when we got OEL he was only 29.  But he was already is decline.  Often these elite D (like OEL) continue to perform at a high level into their mid 30’s.  But watching OEL I wonder about his off ice commitment to strength and fitness training.  I can’t find the interview (maybe someone else can?) but I remember OEL saying himself he relied on his natural gifts when younger and needed to train more.  I think he mentioned talking to the Twins about it.

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On 3/22/2022 at 10:08 PM, bigbadcanucks said:

Seeing how playoff hopes are all but dashed, if OEL has any inkling of an injury, I'd say, shut him down for the season.  Put Dermott in to take OEL's cap space and use Dermott's cap space to pay Halak's bonus. Remove any stress on next season's cap you can.  That's if, if that sort of cap gymnastics is allowed.

Doesn't work that way.  The Canucks are operating in LTIR so they won't have any end of season cap space and their bonus will automatically roll over into next season.

 

Each day a team's roster is under 81.5M, that cap space can be set aside - it gets banked. If a team is at 80.5M all season long they will have banked 1M in cap space by the end of the season.  Bonuses come out of end of season cap space.

 

When a team is in LTIR, they can't bank cap space because their LTIR contracts put them over the 81.5M cap.  Regardless of how much cap space they have available they can't bank it.  

 

Vancouver's regular roster is currently some 4.2M below 81.5M but once they add their LTIR players (Ferland/Sutter/Keeper) they are exceeding the salary cap.  Although they have 4.2M available, that cap space is forfeited.  Without Ferland, Sutter, Keeper they would be 4.2M under the cap and they could have banked some 840K = 4.2M x 20% of the season left at the TDL.  Instead they are forfeiting that cap space and can't use it to cover their bonuses.

 

It's visible on CapFriendly where teams in LTIR don't have any end of season cap space.  The few that do went into LTIR only later in the season and were able to bank cap space till then.

 

On 3/22/2022 at 10:19 PM, J-P said:

At first I thought so too about the cap space for Halak's bonus, but after thinking about it I believe that you have to be under the cap before LTIR to pay bonuses and also that the cap hit is calculated over the entire season and not just the remaining time. Capfriendly shows us with no money available for bonuses. Maybe @mllcan share some expertise and enlighten us?

Correct.  1st step is to get out of LTIR - Ferland, Sutter, Keeper is roughly 5.4M.  They have 4.2M in cap space so technically they could take Ferland off LTIR but they would still be missing about 2M to completely come out of LTIR.  Then they have to have extra space to be able to bank that cap space.  At the TDL there's 20% of the season left, so after coming out of LTIR, they would have had to clear an additional 5M to bank 1M (= 5M x 20% of the season). 

 

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39 minutes ago, mll said:

Doesn't work that way.  The Canucks are operating in LTIR so they won't have any end of season cap space and their bonus will automatically roll over into next season.

 

Each day a team's roster is under 81.5M, that cap space can be set aside - it gets banked. If a team is at 80.5M all season long they will have banked 1M in cap space by the end of the season.  Bonuses come out of end of season cap space.

 

When a team is in LTIR, they can't bank cap space because their LTIR contracts put them over the 81.5M cap.  Regardless of how much cap space they have available they can't bank it.  

 

Vancouver's regular roster is currently some 4.2M below 81.5M but once they add their LTIR players (Ferland/Sutter/Keeper) they are exceeding the salary cap.  Although they have 4.2M available, that cap space is forfeited.  Without Ferland, Sutter, Keeper they would be 4.2M under the cap and they could have banked some 840K = 4.2M x 20% of the season left at the TDL.  Instead they are forfeiting that cap space and can't use it to cover their bonuses.

 

It's visible on CapFriendly where teams in LTIR don't have any end of season cap space.  The few that do went into LTIR only later in the season and were able to bank cap space till then.

 

Correct.  1st step is to get out of LTIR - Ferland, Sutter, Keeper is roughly 5.4M.  They have 4.2M in cap space so technically they could take Ferland off LTIR but they would still be missing about 2M to completely come out of LTIR.  Then they have to have extra space to be able to bank that cap space.  At the TDL there's 20% of the season left, so after coming out of LTIR, they would have had to clear an additional 5M to bank 1M (= 5M x 20% of the season). 

 

this seems very unfair to me if you have guys like Ferland that will never play again, it's penalizing a team for players they can never make use of. 

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The OEL trade was short sighted on Benning's part, but it isn't as bad (so far) as what people think.

Looking at his stats, he has always been around .5-.7 gpg, playing a physical game and

big minutes.  Terrible +/- but that is probably representative of the horrid team he played on.

 

OEL's numbers aren't as good this season, but he still puts in the big minutes, physical effort and is

the Canucks 2nd best dman.  Time and again, we have seen defencemen struggle in their

first season on a new team.  Hopefully this is the case for OEL and his game improves next

season. Will he be able to maintain his level of play for the next 5 yrs, is anyone's guess.

 

These large salaried, long term contracts that extend into a player's late 30's are often precarious;

especially for dmen.   How will these contracts look by the time they have expired: Weber (41),

Vlasik (39), Doughty + Karlsson + Spurgeon (37)?

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, higgyfan said:

The OEL trade was short sighted on Benning's part, but it isn't as bad (so far) as what people think.

Looking at his stats, he has always been around .5-.7 gpg, playing a physical game and

big minutes.  Terrible +/- but that is probably representative of the horrid team he played on.

 

OEL's numbers aren't as good this season, but he still puts in the big minutes, physical effort and is

the Canucks 2nd best dman.  Time and again, we have seen defencemen struggle in their

first season on a new team.  Hopefully this is the case for OEL and his game improves next

season. Will he be able to maintain his level of play for the next 5 yrs, is anyone's guess.

 

These large salaried, long term contracts that extend into a player's late 30's are often precarious;

especially for dmen.   How will these contracts look by the time they have expired: Weber (41),

Vlasik (39), Doughty + Karlsson + Spurgeon (37)?

 

 

 

OEL will be 35 when his contract is over.  His age is not an excuse for his declinging play.  It's his lack of committment to strenght and conditioning.

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