Boudrias Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 20 hours ago, higgyfan said: Imo, Virtanen was an Aquaman pick. Hometown boy, power forward star and lots of golz leads to $ in the bank. If I remember correctly the Canucks were manhandled quite effectively the season prior to Virtanen's draft. Yes, a home town boy but also a big kid with the size management wanted. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
komodo0921 Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 I am hoping to see DK get a game or two with the big club, once they've been eliminated from the playoffs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 On 1/26/2023 at 12:39 AM, VancouverHabitant said: Virtanen had all the physical tools and he'd be still in the NHL if it wasn't for the sexual allegation that was thrown away in court. I know he was trending down from his 20 goal season, but he would've had a spot on most teams as a guy that would sign for league minimum to play on the 3rd/4th line. So I totally get why they picked Virtanen. You have to remember that Canucks passing on a local BC player in the same mold (Milan Lucic) haunted us for a while. Anyways enough about Virt, back to Danila. Imagine having had a young Lucic.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nuxfanabroad Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Dank-vibes from this kid's recent form. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 On 1/25/2023 at 4:39 PM, VancouverHabitant said: Virtanen had all the physical tools and he'd be still in the NHL if it wasn't for the sexual allegation that was thrown away in court. I know he was trending down from his 20 goal season, but he would've had a spot on most teams as a guy that would sign for league minimum to play on the 3rd/4th line. So I totally get why they picked Virtanen. You have to remember that Canucks passing on a local BC player in the same mold (Milan Lucic) haunted us for a while. Anyways enough about Virt, back to Danila. You don’t pick a guy fifth overall to play on your fourth line, especially not a winger. Fifth overall you expect to get a top six winger (if you are picking a winger, and they were). Virtanen never showed as particularly smart, and that should have been picked up in player interviews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 3 hours ago, Ray_Cathode said: You don’t pick a guy fifth overall to play on your fourth line, especially not a winger. Fifth overall you expect to get a top six winger (if you are picking a winger, and they were). Virtanen never showed as particularly smart, and that should have been picked up in player interviews. You're harnessing the power of hindsight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 10 hours ago, Ray_Cathode said: You don’t pick a guy fifth overall to play on your fourth line, especially not a winger. Fifth overall you expect to get a top six winger (if you are picking a winger, and they were). Virtanen never showed as particularly smart, and that should have been picked up in player interviews. What I notice at the WJC interviews is how proficient young players are with media. They say the right things as they tic off their talking points. I expect that Jake was very good at it. Even if he came off as immature I suspect the scouts thought that he could be groomed. IMHO both Virtanen and McCann were more a demonstration of poor org development than anything else. Both came to the NHL at 18. Should never have happened. It cost Virtanen his NHL dream and almost did the same for McCann. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 3 hours ago, Boudrias said: What I notice at the WJC interviews is how proficient young players are with media. They say the right things as they tic off their talking points. I expect that Jake was very good at it. Even if he came off as immature I suspect the scouts thought that he could be groomed. IMHO both Virtanen and McCann were more a demonstration of poor org development than anything else. Both came to the NHL at 18. Should never have happened. It cost Virtanen his NHL dream and almost did the same for McCann. Yup, they were both rushed. Didn't help that we were in a weird spot at the time, gradually sliding from having been a legit cup contender into no man's land and mediocrity. Management probably wanted to sell hope and excitement, or maybe ownership, who knows. But yeah, the end result is that both players were rushed. I reckon if they'd taken a more patient approach with actually developing Virtanen instead of throwing him into the bigs he could have been more than he was. Tools were always there. McCann clearly had talent too. At least management has largely left Klimovich alone, I hope they continue to let him stew in Abbotsford for at least another two or three seasons unless he reaches a level of production that can't be ignored. He just turned 20, there's really no rush, or there shouldn't be. But I'm leaning more towards letting prospects stew in general. If it doesn't look like whoever we end up picking at this season's draft is ready I hope they don't stubbornly keep him around. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Coconuts said: Yup, they were both rushed. Didn't help that we were in a weird spot at the time, gradually sliding from having been a legit cup contender into no man's land and mediocrity. Management probably wanted to sell hope and excitement, or maybe ownership, who knows. But yeah, the end result is that both players were rushed. I reckon if they'd taken a more patient approach with actually developing Virtanen instead of throwing him into the bigs he could have been more than he was. Tools were always there. McCann clearly had talent too. At least management has largely left Klimovich alone, I hope they continue to let him stew in Abbotsford for at least another two or three seasons unless he reaches a level of production that can't be ignored. He just turned 20, there's really no rush, or there shouldn't be. But I'm leaning more towards letting prospects stew in general. If it doesn't look like whoever we end up picking at this season's draft is ready I hope they don't stubbornly keep him around. I can see another year for Klim in Abbey. The coaching in Abby should likely make that call. If the number of deals go down that I am hoping for Abby could have a number of adds to the mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 12 minutes ago, Boudrias said: I can see another year for Klim in Abbey. The coaching in Abby should likely make that call. If the number of deals go down that I am hoping for Abby could have a number of adds to the mix. Guess we'll see, I'm just not in a rush to graduate guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanP Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 21 hours ago, Boudrias said: I can see another year for Klim in Abbey. The coaching in Abby should likely make that call. If the number of deals go down that I am hoping for Abby could have a number of adds to the mix. The plan has Danila in the Abby for at least one more year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorvatToBaertschi Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 On 1/25/2023 at 1:14 AM, Ray_Cathode said: Right… and two fifth overall picks ended up nowhere: Juolevi and Virtanen. I'd argue great scouts shine outside of the 1st round. 1st rounds are always iffy because there's pressure to pick based on consensus. Juolevi and Virtanen were decent choices on draft day, and are now horrible picks in hindsight. Benning's later picks have been pretty decent objectively. Klimovich and Hoglander in the second round, absolutely beautiful picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 I would like top see us focus on premium positions of C and D in the draft period, we have a ton of guys who can play wing - Mcdout, karlsson, pods, hogs, Danillia, Aman (also C), Lockwood, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AnthonyG Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 2 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: What a deadly shot. Beautiful in-stride snipe. That is what separates guys from the rest of the pack, goal scorers who can shoot in-stride and beat a goalie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ray_Cathode Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 On 1/29/2023 at 11:51 PM, VancouverHabitant said: You're harnessing the power of hindsight. Sure, in response to a management that did not harness the power of foresight - of seeing the long term consequence of character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 On 2/1/2023 at 10:22 AM, HorvatToBaertschi said: I'd argue great scouts shine outside of the 1st round. 1st rounds are always iffy because there's pressure to pick based on consensus. Juolevi and Virtanen were decent choices on draft day, and are now horrible picks in hindsight. Benning's later picks have been pretty decent objectively. Klimovich and Hoglander in the second round, absolutely beautiful picks. Nope, first round picks are the ones you just have to hit on if your team is to advance - the likelihood of a first round pick hitting is equal to the possibiity of the second and third round picks combined. But more than that, picks in the first five to ten, just have to hit - if they don't you fall dramatically compared to your competitors. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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