Danila Klimovich | C

[Fred65]

1 hour ago, Ray_Cathode said:

Nope, first round picks are the ones you just have to hit on if your team is to advance - the likelihood of a first round pick hitting is equal to the possibiity of the second and third round picks combined. But more than that, picks in the first five to ten, just have to hit - if they don't you fall dramatically compared to your competitors.

Getting a second or subsequent pick to the NHL is the cherry on the sundae, but you must hit the 1st pick every time. Both Virtanen and Juolevi put the team back a couple of years

[DeNiro]

17 minutes ago, Fred65 said:

Getting a second or subsequent pick to the NHL is the cherry on the sundae, but you must hit the 1st pick every time. Both Virtanen and Juolevi put the team back a couple of years

Even if that first can just fill a role on your team. Bottom pair D or even a bottom 6 energy/shutdown guy.

 

Having guys completely bust out absolutely kills a teams build.

 

We’ve had 6 top 10 picks since 2014 and only currently have two players on our roster to show for it. That’s absolutely brutal. Benning needed to be canned long before he was.

[Fred65]

6 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

Even if that first can just fill a role on your team. Bottom pair D or even a bottom 6 energy/shutdown guy.

 

Having guys completely bust out absolutely kills a teams build.

 

We’ve had 6 top 10 picks since 2014 and only currently have two players on our roster to show for it. That’s absolutely brutal. Benning needed to be canned long before he was.

And yet, he had his supporters, just like Virtanen  and Juoelvi had incredible support. What or how are people judging, as the past GeorgeCarlin used to say, "it's a mystery !"

[stawns]

39 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

Even if that first can just fill a role on your team. Bottom pair D or even a bottom 6 energy/shutdown guy.

 

Having guys completely bust out absolutely kills a teams build.

 

We’ve had 6 top 10 picks since 2014 and only currently have two players on our roster to show for it. That’s absolutely brutal. Benning needed to be canned long before he was.

OJ was, primarily, injury related.  And don't they have three?  Boeser in 2015, Petey in 2017, Hughes in 2018 and podz is looking great in Abby.  And miller is the 2020 pick.

 

Though they didn't get a first in 2020 or 21, they did pick two players, Klim and Jurmo, who are looking very good.

Edited February 4, 2023 by stawns

[DeNiro]

12 minutes ago, stawns said:

OJ was, primarily, injury related.  And don't they have three?  Boeser in 2015, Petey in 2017, Hughes in 2018 and podz is looking great in Abby.  And miller is the 2020 pick.

 

Though they didn't get a first in 2020 or 21, they did pick two players, Klim and Jurmo, who are looking very good.

OJ was more than just injuries. He didn’t have the commitment to be an NHLer. We need to stop making excuses for that pick.

Boeser was not a top 10 pick.

 

Podz is looking good but it doesn’t change the fact he’s not on the roster. And players taken after him are currently starring on their teams.

 

The other top 10 pick was traded away for players we can’t even dump for free.

[stawns]

4 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

OJ was more than just injuries. He didn’t have the commitment to be an NHLer. We need to stop making excuses for that pick.

Boeser was not a top 10 pick.

 

Podz is looking good but it doesn’t change the fact he’s not on the roster. And players taken after him are currently starring on their teams.

 

The other top 10 pick was traded away for players we can’t even dump for free.

My bad, I thought you said first rounders.

[AnthonyG]

1 hour ago, DeNiro said:

Even if that first can just fill a role on your team. Bottom pair D or even a bottom 6 energy/shutdown guy.

 

Having guys completely bust out absolutely kills a teams build.

 

We’ve had 6 top 10 picks since 2014 and only currently have two players on our roster to show for it. That’s absolutely brutal. Benning needed to be canned long before he was.

Technically we’ve had 6 picks, but in all reality, we have only actually selected 5 top 10 picks.

Virtanen, Juolevi, Pettersson, Hughes, Podkolzin. Without the benefit of having a top 3 pick. Go take a look at the % of picks 5-10 become NHL impact players. So far none of our top 10 picks floundered due to their abilities to play hockey.

 

Virtanen could have still been a player, had he not run into a legal battle. Not on Benning for that one falling a part. Virtanen did gradually increase his goal and point totals but never averaged more than 15mins TOI in any one season. His career TOI was under 13 mins and his last season was a 63% DZS. Kinda hard to create offence when the coach refuses to play you and puts you out on primarily defensive zone deployments with no PP time either. 
 

OJ - injuries. How do you blame ANYONE for that? Thats just ridiculous.

 

Podkolzin was drafted in 2019 and is still developing and wether or not he becomes a top 6 is uncertain, but he for sure has the tools to he an NHLer and can without a doubt carve out a career as a bottom 6, however the organization has plans on him becoming a top 6 in due time.

 

Pettersson and Hughes are self explanatory.

 

[Boudrias]

17 hours ago, AnthonyG said:

Technically we’ve had 6 picks, but in all reality, we have only actually selected 5 top 10 picks.

Virtanen, Juolevi, Pettersson, Hughes, Podkolzin. Without the benefit of having a top 3 pick. Go take a look at the % of picks 5-10 become NHL impact players. So far none of our top 10 picks floundered due to their abilities to play hockey.

 

Virtanen could have still been a player, had he not run into a legal battle. Not on Benning for that one falling a part. Virtanen did gradually increase his goal and point totals but never averaged more than 15mins TOI in any one season. His career TOI was under 13 mins and his last season was a 63% DZS. Kinda hard to create offence when the coach refuses to play you and puts you out on primarily defensive zone deployments with no PP time either. 
 

OJ - injuries. How do you blame ANYONE for that? Thats just ridiculous.

 

Podkolzin was drafted in 2019 and is still developing and wether or not he becomes a top 6 is uncertain, but he for sure has the tools to he an NHLer and can without a doubt carve out a career as a bottom 6, however the organization has plans on him becoming a top 6 in due time.

 

Pettersson and Hughes are self explanatory.

 

Virtanen had all the NHL tools. Speed, size and shot. Trying to figure out a 18 year old's thought process is a hard call. I have always thought that Jake's poor evolution had more to say about Canuck development than anything else. He should have stayed in the WHL another season. They couldn't send him to the AHL. When he was old enough he should have been evaluated and sent to the AHL with a list of objectives to work on. My impression was that the Canucks saw a big body and a need for what that might do for them. Not a long term plan. Sad. 

[Alflives]

17 hours ago, AnthonyG said:

Technically we’ve had 6 picks, but in all reality, we have only actually selected 5 top 10 picks.

Virtanen, Juolevi, Pettersson, Hughes, Podkolzin. Without the benefit of having a top 3 pick. Go take a look at the % of picks 5-10 become NHL impact players. So far none of our top 10 picks floundered due to their abilities to play hockey.

 

Virtanen could have still been a player, had he not run into a legal battle. Not on Benning for that one falling a part. Virtanen did gradually increase his goal and point totals but never averaged more than 15mins TOI in any one season. His career TOI was under 13 mins and his last season was a 63% DZS. Kinda hard to create offence when the coach refuses to play you and puts you out on primarily defensive zone deployments with no PP time either. 
 

OJ - injuries. How do you blame ANYONE for that? Thats just ridiculous.

 

Podkolzin was drafted in 2019 and is still developing and wether or not he becomes a top 6 is uncertain, but he for sure has the tools to he an NHLer and can without a doubt carve out a career as a bottom 6, however the organization has plans on him becoming a top 6 in due time.

 

Pettersson and Hughes are self explanatory.

 

Actually, guys fail because of how they play. OJ and Jake both failed because they played bad. Both were terrible picks by Benning. 

[73 Percent]

27 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Actually, guys fail because of how they play. OJ and Jake both failed because they played bad. Both were terrible picks by Benning. 

Nope. OJ was elite. As per you circa 2019.

[wildcam]

20 hours ago, DeNiro said:

Even if that first can just fill a role on your team. Bottom pair D or even a bottom 6 energy/shutdown guy.

 

Having guys completely bust out absolutely kills a teams build.

 

We’ve had 6 top 10 picks since 2014 and only currently have two players on our roster to show for it. That’s absolutely brutal. Benning needed to be canned long before he was.

In the last 9 years since 2014 Canucks hav had  5 top ten picks  - 2 yrs no 1st rounder - Boeser #23-  Lekkerimaki #15

 

2022- Lekkerimaki #15 -  2021 - No 1st rounder Klimovich 41st -- 2020 - no 1st or 2nd Rd -- Jurmo #82  - 20019 #10  Podkolzin

 

2018 Hughes #7 --- 2017 Pettersson #5  -- 2016 - Juolevi #5  -- 2015.  Boeser #23  -- 2014 - Virtanen #6 -- McCann #24

 

Really hurt Canucks also no 1st rounders 2021 and 2020 and no 2nd rounder in 20220..

Raty might make up for no 1st rounder 2021 as he was ranked as high as #1 that year..

Raty 20 - 6'2 - 195-  future # 2 centrę..

[AnthonyG]

32 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Actually, guys fail because of how they play. OJ and Jake both failed because they played bad. Both were terrible picks by Benning. 

Umm actually No.

 

 

OJ was purely injury related which set him back. Not to mention he was one of the hardest hit by COVID, idk if you remember Brandon Sutter? Yea the guys career is over and I’m willing to bet OJ was probably still suffering from long term effects. I personally know people who have never regained their cardio back, which you are basing your argument off of a bag skate after OJ was out for quite some time and took a very long time to recover. In the 23 games he played, OJ looked good and looked like he belonged. 
 

Jake went to the minors, returned from the minors and increased his point totals every single season except his last

2016-17	Utica Comets	AHL	65	9	10	19	48	-11	--	--	--	--	--
2017-18	Vancouver Canucks	NHL	75	10	10	20	46	-11	--	--	--	--	--
2018-19	Vancouver Canucks	NHL	70	15	10	25	44	-4	--	--	--	--	--
2019-20	Vancouver Canucks	NHL	69	18	18	36	41	-4	16	2	1	3	25
2020-21	Vancouver Canucks	NHL	38	5	0	5	41

that last season, he had 63% dzone starts and had less than 13 mins TOI. Every season was less than 15 mins TOI. No PP1 time and 50/50zone starts that eventually say him playing more in the dzone than the ozone. Looks to me like JV was improving every season at the NHL level and was being suffocated by Greens usage in the bottom 6 with no PP1 time and primary dzone dutes with an avg of 12:45mins TOI over the course of 4 seasons.

 

JVs last season. Where he had 5 goals.. he was on the ice for 11GF and only 10 goals against.

9 at even strength both for and against in which JV scored 4/9 even strength goals for his line. Doesnt look like there was much goal support from anyone else who played on his line
 

Also Greens bag skates right before the season, the dumbest f***ing idea. Lets risk injury before the season. Bloody brilliant.

 

 

[Crabcakes]

I get tired of hearing arguments that the reason Player X never succeeded was because he was never deployed in a way that he would succeed.

 

Look, every player must EARN his ice time and how he is deployed.  If they don't show up to camp fit or they don't do what the coaching staff says or they just can't learn, then they don't EARN power play time or o-zone starts etc.  It's not the coaches fault.  It's the players responsibility.  Just because a player is a top 10 pick, does not entitle him to get all these perks.

 

It's not a case of chicken and egg.  It's not, oh he didn't develop because he was never got o-zone starts.  Player X didn't develop because he didn't have what it takes inside to be an NHL player.  Whether it's desire, intelligence or immaturity.  Just because a player has all of the tools, size, skating, shot, puck handling, doesn't make him an NHL player.

[stawns]

4 hours ago, Crabcakes said:

I get tired of hearing arguments that the reason Player X never succeeded was because he was never deployed in a way that he would succeed.

 

Look, every player must EARN his ice time and how he is deployed.  If they don't show up to camp fit or they don't do what the coaching staff says or they just can't learn, then they don't EARN power play time or o-zone starts etc.  It's not the coaches fault.  It's the players responsibility.  Just because a player is a top 10 pick, does not entitle him to get all these perks.

 

It's not a case of chicken and egg.  It's not, oh he didn't develop because he was never got o-zone starts.  Player X didn't develop because he didn't have what it takes inside to be an NHL player.  Whether it's desire, intelligence or immaturity.  Just because a player has all of the tools, size, skating, shot, puck handling, doesn't make him an NHL player.

In a perfect world, I agree with you, but external factors are far more influential in how a player develops, imo.  Injuries, roster depth, coaches,  things away from the rink all play a huge part in how a player develops and Jake is a great example of that.  Sure, he played his part, but Green (and by proxy JB) completely mismanaged Jake from game one in the AHL.

 

He never should have gone from JR to the NHL with a coach who clearly did not want young players in the lineup.  And though I liked Greens style of play, his goal was get to the NHL as a coach and he was going to take the easiest path to get there and, in the A, he relied on veteran players to help him get W's.  He was never concerned with developing young talent and Jake was a casualty of that.

 

  I watched the Moose that year and Jake was a good player down there and Green simply stuck him in the dog house and No way Jake could get out.........he clearly didn't like Jake and didn't care about finding the right way to develop him.  It was "my way or go f*** yourself". 

 

The role of the coach in the AHL should be to develop these young men as complete hockey players and not to prepare them for the "reality" of the NHL.  He was supposed to be a teacher for Jake and he failed miserably at that.  And I was all for hiring him as an NHL coach, it's just unfortunate that he never let Jake out of the dog house.  He'd play a heckuva game, make one bad play and he'd be stapled to the bench.  Boeser would make the same mistakes multiple times and never get the same treatment. 

 

He had his own issues to deal with, but the organization failed him badly

[Fred65]

Jake is showing his true self right now. He plays in the Swiss-Sw league

 

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The Swiss League is the second tier of the main professional ice hockey league in Switzerland, behind the National League. 

He's 6th in point with his team

 

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[86Viking]

Are they trying Klim at C or has he always been listed as a C on here...whoever made his thread was just hoping we would draft more C's maybe so wanted to list him as a C over wing!?!?

[RomanP]

1 hour ago, Neutral said:

Are they trying Klim at C or has he always been listed as a C on here...whoever made his thread was just hoping we would draft more C's maybe so wanted to list him as a C over wing!?!?

It was a mistake by the thread creator. He never played C in his life and there're no plans to convert him to that position at the moment,

[-Vintage Canuck-]

 

[Ray_Cathode]

On 2/4/2023 at 11:08 AM, Fred65 said:

Getting a second or subsequent pick to the NHL is the cherry on the sundae, but you must hit the 1st pick every time. Both Virtanen and Juolevi put the team back a couple of years

More than a couple, cuz the past few years traitor Jim was giving away first and second picks like they were jelly beans, and since we haven’t been close to the playoffs, they have been high picks. Aquaman definitely got rid of the wrong guy between JB and Linden: he got what he wanted out of Benning - striving for mediocrity and the fans got the only thing a striving for mediocrity ever gives - massive failure. And he left an abhorrent mess that will stink up the Canucks for years to come. The fans who demanded immediate mediocrity are getting exactly what they deserved - too bad for the rest of us, though. Looks like they have finally been forced into a rebuild, but God only knows if they’ll stick with it. This ownership has the patience of a ravenous mosquito.

[Ray_Cathode]

On 2/4/2023 at 11:28 AM, DeNiro said:

Even if that first can just fill a role on your team. Bottom pair D or even a bottom 6 energy/shutdown guy.

 

Having guys completely bust out absolutely kills a teams build.

 

We’ve had 6 top 10 picks since 2014 and only currently have two players on our roster to show for it. That’s absolutely brutal. Benning needed to be canned long before he was.

Add in the first rounders we traded away, and the prospects we drafted and didn’t stick with: McCann and Forsburg come immediately to mind. Both of those guys would have looked good on this team about now. Oh yeah, seems like Montreal got a first rounder out of Toffoli.