ShawnAntoski Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Patel Bure said: Any fan should study the Tampa Bay from 2004-2021 to truly understand what rebuilding truly entails. Tampa is living proof that progression isn’t always a linear process and that ups and downs with personnel changes are to be expected. Colorado from 2007 onwards is also a strong case study. Yeah, been diving into both teams progression (mainly, for the purpose of my interest in comparing Sakic & Yzerman to each other & there peers). In JBs' case, there has been alot of anxious & disappointing moments during his tenure (especially, in the offseasons) but it has also been interesting to see him evolve - hopefully, he wins with his core. I do really enjoy the roster tweakings (from a fans' POV) but I would rather see them continue to improve the staff, scouts and etc moving forward cause having a (winning) system in place will mostly likely overcome any future personnel loses in key position(s) or in the roster. Tampa has been winning cause they do alot of work in the back ground and they spend money to improve there leadership group & support staff - so far, the transition from Yzerman to Brisebois has worked out. Imo, player acquisition is just a small part of the equation to winning a cup; and this offseason, it seems was a blessing for the Canucks cause they seemed to had used it to identify were they needed changes & improvements. The roster moves during this offseason seems to indicate an owner, management group and staff that is working together - GCG ! Edited July 31, 2021 by ShawnAntoski 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure2Win Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 Donnie's becoming too much of a pessimist for me, and i thought i was bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 27 minutes ago, Bure2Win said: Donnie's becoming too much of a pessimist for me, and i thought i was bad? More like he's just treading water until he retires. He honestly looks bored and dejected. In fact the only time I see the glimpses of Donny of the past. Is when they will let him do quickie highlight packages. Then he's still got it, and seems to at least enjoy it. I wish Sportsnet would hire him back as a local guy, doing a regional hightlight packages. Rick is just meh. The way he sucks up to guests is just awful. He's also just spews drama. He was better on twitter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gollumpus Posted August 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 1, 2021 I believe this is (fairly) accurate. If not, look it up yourself: Winnipeg Jets acquire Date Vancouver Canucks acquire Nate Schmidt July 27, 2021 2022 3rd round pick Vancouver Canucks acquire Date Arizona Coyotes acquire Oliver Ekman-LarssonConor Garland July 23, 2021 Antoine RousselJay BeagleLoui Eriksson2021 1st round pick2022 2nd round pick2023 7th round pick Vancouver Canucks acquire Date Dallas Stars acquire Jason Dickinson July 17, 2021 2021 3rd round pick Vancouver Canucks acquire Date New Jersey Devils acquire Louis Domingue February 24, 2020 Zane McIntyre Vancouver Canucks acquire Date Los Angeles Kings acquire Tyler Toffoli February 17, 2020 Tim SchallerTyler Madden2020 2nd round pick2022 conditional 4th round pick Comment: 2022 pick is conditional on Toffoli resigning with the Canucks Vancouver Canucks acquire Date Detroit Red Wings acquire David Pope October 7, 2019 Alex Biega San Jose Sharks acquire Date Vancouver Canucks acquire Tom Pyatt2019 6th round pick June 22, 2019 Francis Perron2019 7th round pick Vancouver Canucks acquire Date Tampa Bay Lightning acquire J.T Miller June 22, 2019 Marek Mazanec2019 3rd round pick2020 conditional 1st round pick Pittsburgh Penguins acquire Date Vancouver Canucks acquire Erik Gudbranson February 25, 2019 Tanner Pearson Vancouver Canucks acquire Date San Jose Sharks acquire Linus Karlsson February 25, 2019 Jonathan Dahlen Edmonton Oilers acquire Date Vancouver Canucks acquire Sam Gagner February 16, 2019 Ryan Spooner Vancouver Canucks acquire Date New York Rangers acquire Marek Mazanec February 12, 2019 2020 7th round pick Anaheim Ducks acquire Date Vancouver Canucks acquire Michael Del Zotto January 17, 2019 Luke Schenn2020 7th round pick Vancouver Canucks acquire Date Ottawa Senators acquire Mike McKennaTom Pyatt2019 6th round pick January 2, 2019 Anders NilssonDarren Archibald Vancouver Canucks acquire Date Toronto Maple Leafs acquire Josh Leivo December 3, 2018 Michael Carcone Vancouver Canucks acquire Date Carolina Hurricanes acquire Tanner Kero June 24, 2018 Vancouver Canucks acquire Date Vegas Golden Knights acquire Brendan Leipsic February 26, 2018 Philip Holm Columbus Blue Jackets acquire Date Vancouver Canucks acquire Thomas Vanek February 26, 2018 Jussi JokinenTyler Motte Los Angeles Kings acquire Date Vancouver Canucks acquire Jordan Subban December 8, 2017 Nic Dowd Vancouver Canucks acquire Date Pittsburgh Penguins acquire Derrick Pouliot October 3, 2017 Andrey Pedan2018 4th round pick San Jose Sharks acquire Date Vancouver Canucks acquire Jannik Hansen March 1, 2017 Nikolay Goldobin2017 conditional 4th round pick Ottawa Senators acquire Date Vancouver Canucks acquire Alex Burrows February 27, 2017 Jonathan Dahlen Vancouver Canucks acquire Date Florida Panthers acquire Erik Gudbranson2016 5th round pick May 25, 2016 Jared McCann2016 2nd round pick2016 4th round pick Carolina Hurricanes acquire Date Vancouver Canucks acquire Dane Fox March 7, 2016 Future considerations Vancouver Canucks acquire Date Edmonton Oilers acquire Philip Larsen February 24, 2016 2017 5th round pick Calgary Flames acquire Date Vancouver Canucks acquire Hunter Shinkaruk February 22, 2016 Markus Grandlund New York Rangers acquire Date Vancouver Canucks acquire Nicklas Jensen2017 6th round pick January 8, 2016 Emerson Etem Pittsburgh Penguins acquire Date Vancouver Canucks acquire Nick BoninoAdam Clendening2016 2nd round pick July 28, 2015 Brandon Sutter2016 condtional 3rd round pick Montreal Canadiens acquire Date Vancouver Canucks acquire Zack Kassian2016 5th round pick July 1, 2015 Brandon Prust Anaheim Ducks acquire Date Vancouver Canucks acquire Kevin Bieksa June 30, 2015 2016 2nd round pick San Jose Sharks acquire Date Vancouver Canucks acquire Patrick McNally June 27, 2015 2015 7th round pick Carolina Hurricanes acquire Date Vancouver Canucks acquire Eddie Lack June 27, 2015 2015 3rd round pick2015 7th round pick Vancouver Canucks acquire Date New York Islanders acquire Cory Conacher March 2, 2015 Dustin Jeffrey Vancouver Canucks acquire Date Calgary Flames acquire Sven Baertschi March 2, 2015 2015 2nd round pick Vancouver Canucks acquire Date Chicago Blackhawks acquire Adam Clendening January 29, 2015 Gustav Forsling Vancouver Canucks acquire Date New York Islanders acquire Andrey Pedan November 25, 2014 Alexandre Mallet2016 3rd round pick Edmonton Oilers acquire Date Vancouver Canucks acquire Kellan Lain November 20, 2014 Will Acton Vancouver Canucks acquire Date Los Angeles Kings acquire Linden Vey June 28, 2014 2014 2nd round pick Anaheim Ducks acquire Date Vancouver Canucks acquire 2015 3rd round pickRyan Kesler June 27, 2014 2014 1st round pickLuca SbisaNick Bonino2014 3rd round pick Vancouver Canucks acquire Date New York Rangers acquire Derek Dorsett June 27, 2014 2014 3rd round pick Tampa Bay Lightning acquire Date Vancouver Canucks acquire Jason GarrisonJeff Costello2015 7th round pick June 27, 2014 2014 2nd round pick Of the picks traded away, something like half of them are 4th rounders or less. If the other team uses them to draft a bunch of Datsyuks, then yeah, that would be a. "Gee whiz, they had some drafting there", moment. Even if they found a Hansen in the latter portion of the 7th round. I'd suggest that the OP and others spend lots of time tracking who was picked, and what their careers are/were. Out of curiosity, what's the league level below the ECHL? regards, G. 1 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU SERIOUS Posted August 1, 2021 Author Share Posted August 1, 2021 23 hours ago, Bure2Win said: Donnie's becoming too much of a pessimist for me, and i thought i was bad? Well, what do you expect after someone hears a half century of promises ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU SERIOUS Posted August 1, 2021 Author Share Posted August 1, 2021 22 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said: More like he's just treading water until he retires. He honestly looks bored and dejected. In fact the only time I see the glimpses of Donny of the past. Is when they will let him do quickie highlight packages. Then he's still got it, and seems to at least enjoy it. I wish Sportsnet would hire him back as a local guy, doing a regional hightlight packages. Rick is just meh. The way he sucks up to guests is just awful. He's also just spews drama. He was better on twitter. Good assessment and yes, I also think Donnie would do well on a slighly bigger (local) stage. As for Rick, his strength is picking up details and rumors as he seems to be well connected but does over dramatize things occassionaly. The other thing is Ryah H. He comes off as an aggitated, hung-over millenial and needs to compose himself a bit more often than not and calm down (maybe smoke a joint before each broadcast). But on the whole - the show has brought some badly needed insight into the canucks that 650 AM can't ever seem to deliver with their "made in Toronto" formula. We need another 1040 type sports radio channel in this city or turf the entire 650 AM crew and bring in some of the experienced local pros that were on 1040 and a few TV Sportscaster we have in this city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 @Patel Bure and @Alflives While I agree with most of what you're saying about the Canucks, for me the 1D is still under question. I love Quinn Hughes but I think we are still missing a true number 1D that can play both ends of the ice well. Although it's crazy expensive to acquire 1D through trade as we saw in the Seth Jones deal, there will be guys like Colton Parayko becoming available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patel Bure Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 (edited) 35 minutes ago, VancouverHabitant said: @Patel Bure and @Alflives While I agree with most of what you're saying about the Canucks, for me the 1D is still under question. I love Quinn Hughes but I think we are still missing a true number 1D that can play both ends of the ice well. Although it's crazy expensive to acquire 1D through trade as we saw in the Seth Jones deal, there will be guys like Colton Parayko becoming available. Don't get me wrong VH, you and I are in full agreement on this one. The Canucks' biggest need right now is a younger version of Alex Edler and/or a Chris Tanev type guy that can take on the toughest match-ups at the top pairing level. Perhaps I'm wrong here, but OEL does not strike me as that guy. To me, he's more of an offensive defenseman that needs that stay-at-home presence to cover him. On the right side, guys like Schenn, Poolman, and Hamonic aren't guys that you want taking on opposing top lines in a shut down role. Upon analyzing our current team and the way its figured, I am of the belief that we are a hybrid of last year's version of Edmonton (very strong offense + suspect D), and Winnipeg in a best case scenario (very strong offense + very good goaltending + suspect D). I see us being a 1st round fodder team that *maybe* gets lucky and makes the 2nd round. While this is a step up from what we've generally seen since 2014, my biggest concern now is that we won't be able to take the next step in our development given the way our cap is configured. Any contracts that come off the books will need to be applied to Horvat and our other RFA's. The way I see it, generally speaking, 2022-23: Freed up Luongo cap recapture money will go towards Holtby and Virtanen buyout (600K net savings) + other minor downgrades will be needed to qualify Brock Boeser. Little to no cap space to get external help. 2023-24: Ferland money will be equally distributed to Horvat and Miller who will need to be re-upped. Freed-up Holtby and Virtanen buy-out money will go towards Hoglander. Perhaps a returning Nikita Tryamkin will replace Travis Hamonic. Little to no cap space to get external help. 2024-2025: The Canucks will have lots of cap space here as both Pearson and Myers come off the books, but a lot of this money will likely have to go towards Podkzolin and Hughes (my guess is that Pettersson will sign a 6-8 year deal in the coming weeks while Hughes will sign a bridge that will expire around 2024-2025). So, that's where I'm kind of at with this team right now. While I'm excited over the fact that we'll likely be a playoff team these next 3-4 years, I'm just not sure if I see us progressing beyond this level given the way our long term cap is configured. It could be another four years or so before the Canucks get to the 2nd round+++ level that we are seeing with those Colorado, Vegas, NYI, Carolina, Boston, and Tampa Bay teams. Edited August 1, 2021 by Patel Bure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrchief Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 19 hours ago, Gollumpus said: I believe this is (fairly) accurate. If not, look it up yourself: Winnipeg Jets acquire Date Vancouver Canucks acquire Nate Schmidt July 27, 2021 2022 3rd round pick Vancouver Canucks acquire Date Arizona Coyotes acquire Oliver Ekman-LarssonConor Garland July 23, 2021 Antoine RousselJay BeagleLoui Eriksson2021 1st round pick2022 2nd round pick2023 7th round pick Vancouver Canucks acquire Date Dallas Stars acquire Jason Dickinson July 17, 2021 2021 3rd round pick Vancouver Canucks acquire Date New Jersey Devils acquire Louis Domingue February 24, 2020 Zane McIntyre Vancouver Canucks acquire Date Los Angeles Kings acquire Tyler Toffoli February 17, 2020 Tim SchallerTyler Madden2020 2nd round pick2022 conditional 4th round pick Comment: 2022 pick is conditional on Toffoli resigning with the Canucks Vancouver Canucks acquire Date Detroit Red Wings acquire David Pope October 7, 2019 Alex Biega San Jose Sharks acquire Date Vancouver Canucks acquire Tom Pyatt2019 6th round pick June 22, 2019 Francis Perron2019 7th round pick Vancouver Canucks acquire Date Tampa Bay Lightning acquire J.T Miller June 22, 2019 Marek Mazanec2019 3rd round pick2020 conditional 1st round pick Pittsburgh Penguins acquire Date Vancouver Canucks acquire Erik Gudbranson February 25, 2019 Tanner Pearson Vancouver Canucks acquire Date San Jose Sharks acquire Linus Karlsson February 25, 2019 Jonathan Dahlen Edmonton Oilers acquire Date Vancouver Canucks acquire Sam Gagner February 16, 2019 Ryan Spooner Vancouver Canucks acquire Date New York Rangers acquire Marek Mazanec February 12, 2019 2020 7th round pick Anaheim Ducks acquire Date Vancouver Canucks acquire Michael Del Zotto January 17, 2019 Luke Schenn2020 7th round pick Vancouver Canucks acquire Date Ottawa Senators acquire Mike McKennaTom Pyatt2019 6th round pick January 2, 2019 Anders NilssonDarren Archibald Vancouver Canucks acquire Date Toronto Maple Leafs acquire Josh Leivo December 3, 2018 Michael Carcone Vancouver Canucks acquire Date Carolina Hurricanes acquire Tanner Kero June 24, 2018 Vancouver Canucks acquire Date Vegas Golden Knights acquire Brendan Leipsic February 26, 2018 Philip Holm Columbus Blue Jackets acquire Date Vancouver Canucks acquire Thomas Vanek February 26, 2018 Jussi JokinenTyler Motte Los Angeles Kings acquire Date Vancouver Canucks acquire Jordan Subban December 8, 2017 Nic Dowd Vancouver Canucks acquire Date Pittsburgh Penguins acquire Derrick Pouliot October 3, 2017 Andrey Pedan2018 4th round pick San Jose Sharks acquire Date Vancouver Canucks acquire Jannik Hansen March 1, 2017 Nikolay Goldobin2017 conditional 4th round pick Ottawa Senators acquire Date Vancouver Canucks acquire Alex Burrows February 27, 2017 Jonathan Dahlen Vancouver Canucks acquire Date Florida Panthers acquire Erik Gudbranson2016 5th round pick May 25, 2016 Jared McCann2016 2nd round pick2016 4th round pick Carolina Hurricanes acquire Date Vancouver Canucks acquire Dane Fox March 7, 2016 Future considerations Vancouver Canucks acquire Date Edmonton Oilers acquire Philip Larsen February 24, 2016 2017 5th round pick Calgary Flames acquire Date Vancouver Canucks acquire Hunter Shinkaruk February 22, 2016 Markus Grandlund New York Rangers acquire Date Vancouver Canucks acquire Nicklas Jensen2017 6th round pick January 8, 2016 Emerson Etem Pittsburgh Penguins acquire Date Vancouver Canucks acquire Nick BoninoAdam Clendening2016 2nd round pick July 28, 2015 Brandon Sutter2016 condtional 3rd round pick Montreal Canadiens acquire Date Vancouver Canucks acquire Zack Kassian2016 5th round pick July 1, 2015 Brandon Prust Anaheim Ducks acquire Date Vancouver Canucks acquire Kevin Bieksa June 30, 2015 2016 2nd round pick San Jose Sharks acquire Date Vancouver Canucks acquire Patrick McNally June 27, 2015 2015 7th round pick Carolina Hurricanes acquire Date Vancouver Canucks acquire Eddie Lack June 27, 2015 2015 3rd round pick2015 7th round pick Vancouver Canucks acquire Date New York Islanders acquire Cory Conacher March 2, 2015 Dustin Jeffrey Vancouver Canucks acquire Date Calgary Flames acquire Sven Baertschi March 2, 2015 2015 2nd round pick Vancouver Canucks acquire Date Chicago Blackhawks acquire Adam Clendening January 29, 2015 Gustav Forsling Vancouver Canucks acquire Date New York Islanders acquire Andrey Pedan November 25, 2014 Alexandre Mallet2016 3rd round pick Edmonton Oilers acquire Date Vancouver Canucks acquire Kellan Lain November 20, 2014 Will Acton Vancouver Canucks acquire Date Los Angeles Kings acquire Linden Vey June 28, 2014 2014 2nd round pick Anaheim Ducks acquire Date Vancouver Canucks acquire 2015 3rd round pickRyan Kesler June 27, 2014 2014 1st round pickLuca SbisaNick Bonino2014 3rd round pick Vancouver Canucks acquire Date New York Rangers acquire Derek Dorsett June 27, 2014 2014 3rd round pick Tampa Bay Lightning acquire Date Vancouver Canucks acquire Jason GarrisonJeff Costello2015 7th round pick June 27, 2014 2014 2nd round pick Of the picks traded away, something like half of them are 4th rounders or less. If the other team uses them to draft a bunch of Datsyuks, then yeah, that would be a. "Gee whiz, they had some drafting there", moment. Even if they found a Hansen in the latter portion of the 7th round. I'd suggest that the OP and others spend lots of time tracking who was picked, and what their careers are/were. Out of curiosity, what's the league level below the ECHL? regards, G. That McCann trade was really rough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patel Bure Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, Patel Bure said: Don't get me wrong VH, you and I are in full agreement on this one. The Canucks' biggest need right now is a younger version of Alex Edler and/or a Chris Tanev type guy that can take on the toughest match-ups at the top pairing level. Perhaps I'm wrong here, but OEL does not strike me as that guy. To me, he's more of an offensive defenseman that needs that stay-at-home presence to cover him. On the right side, guys like Schenn, Poolman, and Hamonic aren't guys that you want taking on opposing top lines in a shut down role. Upon analyzing our current team and the way its figured, I am of the belief that we are a hybrid of last year's version of Edmonton (very strong offense + suspect D), and Winnipeg in a best case scenario (very strong offense + very good goaltending + suspect D). I see us being a 1st round fodder team that *maybe* gets lucky and makes the 2nd round. While this is a step up from what we've generally seen since 2014, my biggest concern now is that we won't be able to take the next step in our development given the way our cap is configured. Any contracts that come off the books will need to be applied to Horvat and our other RFA's. The way I see it, generally speaking, 2022-23: Freed up Luongo cap recapture money will go towards Holtby and Virtanen buyout (600K net savings) + other minor downgrades will be needed to qualify Brock Boeser. Little to no cap space to get external help. 2023-24: Ferland money will be equally distributed to Horvat and Miller who will need to be re-upped. Freed-up Holtby and Virtanen buy-out money will go towards Hoglander. Perhaps a returning Nikita Tryamkin will replace Travis Hamonic. Little to no cap space to get external help. 2024-2025: The Canucks will have lots of cap space here as both Pearson and Myers come off the books, but a lot of this money will likely have to go towards Podkzolin and Hughes (my guess is that Pettersson will sign a 6-8 year deal in the coming weeks while Hughes will sign a bridge that will expire around 2024-2025). So, that's where I'm kind of at with this team right now. While I'm excited over the fact that we'll likely be a playoff team these next 3-4 years, I'm just not sure if I see us progressing beyond this level given the way our long term cap is configured. It could be another four years or so before the Canucks get to the 2nd round+++ level that we are seeing with those Colorado, Vegas, NYI, Carolina, Boston, and Tampa Bay teams. In terms of getting beyond that first round fodder level, the only solution that I have to offer is finding a way to get Tyler Myers off the books and putting that money to more efficient use. People might think that I'm not a Tyler Myers fan but this is not entirely true. I think Myers is a #4 calibre d-man that should be earning around 4 million dollars. Asking Myers to play on a top pairing with OEL or Hughes is asking for trouble. Asking Hamonic or Poolman to play on the top pair is also asking for trouble. People might not like this suggestion, but a future move of using Rathbone or Juolevi (who hopefully increases his value this season) as a sweetener to move Tyler Myers in a 'hockey deal' of some kind might be our best move. With that freed up cap space, the Canucks then take a run at Colton Parayko or John Klingberg in the 2022 off season. If neither of those guys are available, go after Josh Manson and/or Connor Murphy + possibly adding to the forward group if it makes sense from a long term cap perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead44 Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 -8 picks overall traded 6 2nds, acquired 2 traded two 1sts, acquired 1 234 wins 242 losses what a strange rebuild 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 5 hours ago, warrchief said: That McCann trade was really rough I have to admit to a degree of indifference regarding McCann. Would the team be significantly better with McCann being in the line up for last several years? Maybe, but then an argument could be made that the answer is perhaps not. For a guy who was ranked somewhere around #10 for NA skaters, how did he wind up still unpicked at the 24 slot? It seems like it was either a case of all of the previous selection were based on need, or perhaps they all saw something which they didn't really like, so why (potentially) waste a 1st round pick on him? I'm more disappointed that the Canucks didn't select Pastrnak (taken at #25), Kempe, or Lemieux rather than trading McCann a couple of seasons later. regards, G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 7 hours ago, VancouverHabitant said: @Patel Bure and @Alflives While I agree with most of what you're saying about the Canucks, for me the 1D is still under question. I love Quinn Hughes but I think we are still missing a true number 1D that can play both ends of the ice well. Although it's crazy expensive to acquire 1D through trade as we saw in the Seth Jones deal, there will be guys like Colton Parayko becoming available. I see Hughes as Pat Stapleton looking for a Bill White. regards, G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 6 hours ago, canucklehead44 said: -8 picks overall traded 6 2nds, acquired 2 traded two 1sts, acquired 1 234 wins 242 losses what a strange rebuild And yet, there they are, looking like a playoff team... regards, G. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead44 Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 7 hours ago, Gollumpus said: And yet, there they are, looking like a playoff team... regards, G. We better make the playoffs next year between trading away a lot of picks and having OELs massive contract on the books we are kind of screwed. Going all in after finishing last place in arguably the weakest division is a huge risk. He would have likely missed the playoffs the year before if not for the Covid stoppage which would be 6 playoff misses in a row. That said we have a fantastic young forward group including elite level talent in EP. Demko is a legit starter and Hughes is awesome on the backend, Rathbone should be a beaut as well. It’s just the rest of our d group that scares me a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 1 hour ago, canucklehead44 said: We better make the playoffs next year between trading away a lot of picks and having OELs massive contract on the books we are kind of screwed. Going all in after finishing last place in arguably the weakest division is a huge risk. He would have likely missed the playoffs the year before if not for the Covid stoppage which would be 6 playoff misses in a row. That said we have a fantastic young forward group including elite level talent in EP. Demko is a legit starter and Hughes is awesome on the backend, Rathbone should be a beaut as well. It’s just the rest of our d group that scares me a bit. *Not looking to be argumentative here, just putting forward a different perspective* I'm not losing any sleep over recent events. The Canucks team development has been advanced by about a year (maybe more?). There are still holes to be filled, boxes to be checked and all that kind of thing (mostly on defense). The cap situation will always be there. This being said, I believe the team is in better shape now then they were this time last year, or even the year before that, or the one before that, or the one before that... Lots of people around here need to go take a nap. regards, G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 I am not concerned either way with Benning's trading of past picks. When Benning got here, he had a old talented club with absolutely no prospects Most of the core had NTC's, and they have now run their course My main complaint is not being able to, or refusing to move the NTC's before they walked I know I will get huge heat for suggesting the Sedin's should have been moved, so let's move past them Because they have retired But the inability to recognise that he could not or would not resign, Markstrom, Tanev, Toffoli and Edler really bothers me, as they would have produced a great many assets in return But Benning's inability to persuade them to move their NTC's (Markstrom, Tanev, and Edler) has really hindered us Especially, when all signed with other clubs, the year after, which highlights they were not Canuck's to the end And to point that the Canucks were the ones that did not resign them, is arguementable, as a great many stars have signed for league minimum (or close to it) to remain with their club near the end of their career. So, again, as GM, this is where Benning has really dropped the puck (so to speak) IMO, this has been Benning's greatest failure. It is not the picks he has moved, but the picks he did not acquire (Markstrom, Tanev, Toffoli and Edler) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 1 hour ago, janisahockeynut said: I am not concerned either way with Benning's trading of past picks. When Benning got here, he had a old talented club with absolutely no prospects Most of the core had NTC's, and they have now run their course My main complaint is not being able to, or refusing to move the NTC's before they walked I know I will get huge heat for suggesting the Sedin's should have been moved, so let's move past them Because they have retired But the inability to recognise that he could not or would not resign, Markstrom, Tanev, Toffoli and Edler really bothers me, as they would have produced a great many assets in return But Benning's inability to persuade them to move their NTC's (Markstrom, Tanev, and Edler) has really hindered us Especially, when all signed with other clubs, the year after, which highlights they were not Canuck's to the end And to point that the Canucks were the ones that did not resign them, is arguementable, as a great many stars have signed for league minimum (or close to it) to remain with their club near the end of their career. So, again, as GM, this is where Benning has really dropped the puck (so to speak) IMO, this has been Benning's greatest failure. It is not the picks he has moved, but the picks he did not acquire (Markstrom, Tanev, Toffoli and Edler) I was just about to give a response to this, but I decided that getting lunch was more important. regards, G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhorvat Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 I don’t care about what’s happened in the past, I’m just focused on the upcoming season. I think we can make some noise with this new team! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jai604 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Clickbait from D and D, nothing to see here....... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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