[Signing] Canucks sign Tucker Poolman

[Dazzle]

Just now, AV. said:

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Not really lol.  I say things on here that have a controversial nature since they border on criticism and many don't take kindly to that criticism since it isn't, as some say, pom-pom waving that people want to see.  I accept that.  I don't think I'm a victim at all.

If by 'controversial' you mean misleading, sure. You seem to think that it's everyone's fault for reacting to your posts.

[AV.]

Just now, Dazzle said:

If by 'controversial' you mean misleading, sure. You seem to think that it's everyone's fault for reacting to your posts.

Ehh, at worst I am guilty of hyperbole at times.  Although, most of what I say is rooted in facts.

 

With that said, people can (1) ignore what I have to say, (2) ignore me.  People choose to engage with me and I am happy to entertain discussion.

[RWMc1]

6 minutes ago, AV. said:

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Not really lol.  I say things on here that have a controversial nature since they border on criticism and many don't take kindly to that criticism since it isn't, as some say, pom-pom waving that people want to see.  I accept that.  I don't think I'm a victim at all.

If people can characterize optimistic posters as pom pom wavers then they should have no issue when negative posters are referred to as snivelling whiners.

[AV.]

1 minute ago, RWMc1 said:

If people can characterize optimistic posters as pom pom wavers then they should have no issue when negative posters are referred to as snivelling whiners.

Lol, be honest.  You just wanted an excuse to call me a whiner, didntcha?

 

Ya got me ! 

[RWMc1]

1 minute ago, AV. said:

Lol, be honest.  You just wanted an excuse to call me a whiner, didntcha?

 

Ya got me ! 

You self identify as a whiner if that's what you took from my post.

[AV.]

3 minutes ago, RWMc1 said:

You self identify as a whiner if that's what you took from my post.

No, I'm just responding to whatever silliness you have your head wrapped up in.

 

You accuse me of acting like victim (I have not) and then ask if you can call me whiner since accusing people of being pom-pom wavers is somehow the same.

 

Not sure how you're arriving at your conclusions lmfao.

[TheRussianRocket1994]

8 minutes ago, AV. said:

Lol, be honest.  You just wanted an excuse to call me a whiner, didntcha?

 

Ya got me ! 

Not hard to find a reason!

 

While you're at it, you might as well make a neg post about the Pettersson and Hughes signings...oh wait, they haven't happened...but that doesn't matter in your eyes, just judgement, criticism & negativity based on past mistakes only all while ignoring past / current positive moves etc. 

 

You have such a easy job! 

[RWMc1]

15 minutes ago, AV. said:

No, I'm just responding to whatever silliness you have your head wrapped up in.

 

You accuse me of acting like victim (I have not) and then ask if you can call me whiner since accusing people of being pom-pom wavers is somehow the same.

 

Not sure how you're arriving at your conclusions lmfao.

I don't need your permission to consider you a whiner.

 

You claim to be intelligent, yet you can't seem to grasp simple concepts. Your partner mastermind was going on and on yesterday about how we should be more civil and not name call. Pom pom waver is name calling. I stopped using the term snivelling whiner yesterday and was using the term negative posters. If it's okay for whiners to label optimistic people then you have no leg to stand on when you are characterized in return.

Edited July 30, 2021 by RWMc1

[Salacious Crumb]

Hmmm…did someone exhume Baggins and Forsbergthegreat? Awfully dramatic here today.

Edited July 30, 2021 by Salacious Crumb

[AV.]

2 minutes ago, RWMc1 said:

I don't need your permission to consider you a whiner.

 

You claim to be intelligent, yet you can't seem to grasp simple concepts. Your partner mastermind was going on and on yesterday about how we should be more civil and not name call. Pom pom waver is name calling. I stopped using the term snivelling whiner yesterday and was using the term negative posters. If okay for you whiners to label optimistic people then you have no leg to stand on when you are characterized in return.

Ok but I didn't call you a pom-pom waver lol.

 

I responded to something you said and answered (that question) that because I do not "pom-pom wave", I get pressed for my thoughts.

 

For somebody who doesn't want to be name-called, you sure are finding a justification to name call on me (which, fwiw, I don't really care about.  For your own sake, try not to say something that'll get you suspended or banned).

 

Hope this helps.

[Master Mind]

11 minutes ago, RWMc1 said:

mastermind was going on and on yesterday about how we should be more civil and not name call.

You make that sound like a bad thing that I advocate for civility.

[RUPERTKBD]

1 hour ago, The.Burrowers said:

I was over this thread and ready to get out so thanks for getting me back in it....

 

 

First of all: get over yourself.  You get on your high horse like you some sort of supreme intellectual on these boards.  I have read many of your posts over the years and you are nothing special.  You are pompous and often mean spirited.  These smaller, long term contracts are crippling when cap space is tight and players need raises.  They are especially crippling in aggregate.  How much dead weight did we have last year?  $15M?  Quantity does not exceed quality in the NHL.... yet quantity seems to be this team's MO since JB got here.  In the flat cap last year we could have been primed to bring in some elite veteran to support our youngsters.  Instead, we had the disaster season that was 2021.... that needs no explanation.

 

Look at the history...... all these $2-3.5M long term signings add up and there have been a LOT of them.  They have precluded us from making runs at bringing in elite talent (when Hughes and Petto were playing amazing hockey on ELCs....)

 

Our July 1 history has been abhorrent since JB got here.  We constantly enter into smaller AAV, multi year deals with players whose contracts are immoveable very soon after.  If you think Poolman is an exception: FINE...... but I have scoured the web for all the info I can find on him, read all the media reports, tried to be as objective as I can.  I (and others) are willing to give him a chance.  But we have every right to question the signing.

 

Do you really need a reminder/run down of all similar contracts over the years that have not worked out since JB got here?

 

-Loui - 6 years x 6M -  needs no explanation - crippling on its own right and by far the worst signing

- Myers - jury still out but many think this will be a huge burden into the future

- Sutter - 5 years x 4.375M - "foundational piece" ...ya....OK....

- Baertschi - 3 years 3.36M - had a tough shake in Vancouver but this was not a good signing and hindered our ability to bring in better talent over the last few years....dead cap for most of this contract

- Gudbranson - 3 years x 4M.  Underwhelming signing, was lucky to recoup Pearson out of it.  I still remember the analysis of his playoff performance with Florida when we got him..... much ado about nothing.... ring any bells????  Could have utilized McCann / other high picks as a much better trade chips to boot.

-Beagle - 4 years x 3M - absolutely brutal signing - negative trade value by end of term

-Roussel - see above

-Ferland - 4 years x 3.5M - unfortunate with concussion problems and hasn't cost us cap wise due to LTIR - but another example of an overpayment with term which would have been better reserved for elite talent

-Gagner - 3 years 3.15M - lackluster to say the least.... negative value as he was traded for Spooner who was promptly bought out and was dead cap for multiple years....

-Schaller - brutal signing - was a cap dump in Toffoli trade where we had to send a 2nd and Tyler Madden - hard to quantify the extent of his value but it was certainly negative.... 

- Dorsett - 4 years $2.65 - similar to Ferland with injuries but was overpaid based on his character. Won't slag JB for this but just another example of us prioritizing quantity over quality.

- Virtanen - 2 years $2.55M - negative trade value and now costing us cap space next year....

- Holtby - 2 years $4.3M - see above

 

 

If you take any one , or a few, of the of the above deals - its not worth sweating over.  GM's make mistakes, no one expects perfection.  JB inherited a crappy situation when he got here.... no prospects.... no one wanted to play here... ownership pressuring him to expedite rebuild.... it wasn't easy for him and stuff happens..... but spare me your sanctimonious snark.  Many of us have been on these boards for a long time and seen the same old story time and time again.

 

We finally clawed our way out of cap hell..... time will tell with good ole Poolman - I hope he knocks it out of the park.  But right now, based on what I have read from lots of different sources.... I wouldn't be shocked if we get 2-3 months into the season and its apparent early on that his trade value is and will remain negative.  If so, that contract will be crippling when it comes to extending Boeser, Miller, Horvat, especially if the cap remains flat.

 

Looks like I hit a nerve....

[RWMc1]

3 minutes ago, AV. said:

Ok but I didn't call you a pom-pom waver lol.

 

I responded to something you said and answered (that question) that because I do not "pom-pom wave", I get pressed for my thoughts.

 

For somebody who doesn't want to be name-called, you sure are finding a justification to name call on me (which, fwiw, I don't really care about.  For your own sake, try not to say something that'll get you suspended or banned).

 

Hope this helps.

You didn't respond to the post that you quoted though. In the post that you quoted, I stated that Benning is respected by other GMs. You didn't respond to that until I asked you why you quoted me.

If your posts are "rooted in facts", then get your facts straight.

[RWMc1]

2 minutes ago, Master Mind said:

You make that sound like a bad thing that I advocate for civility.

Only on one side though apparently. I've yet to see you challenge one of the snivelling whiners.

[AV.]

58 minutes ago, AV. said:

My point didn't really have anything to do with Benning.  I can't dispute it as I don't know how he gets along with other GMs.

 

From all accounts, Benning comes across as a really friendly man.  Don't imagine he would have too many enemies (for better or worse).

@RWMc1

[AV.]

3 minutes ago, RWMc1 said:

You didn't respond to the post that you quoted though. In the post that you quoted, I stated that Benning is respected by other GMs. You didn't respond to that until I asked you why you quoted me.

If your posts are "rooted in facts", then get your facts straight.

So, the issue is that I responded later rather than when you wanted?  Uhhm, ok, sorry?

[RWMc1]

1 minute ago, AV. said:

@RWMc1

This was after I asked you why you quoted. More disingenuous crap.

[TheRussianRocket1994]

2 minutes ago, RWMc1 said:

Only on one side though apparently. I've yet to see you challenge one of the snivelling whiners.

 

Yep! As he follows my posts and downvotes them and doesn't even quote me and have a conversation with me about whatever it is he downvoting me for. But, he upvotes all the other posts from the posters who are whining / negative. 

 

If these handful of people hate Benning so much, maybe them, Taj, Uncle Laleet, Drance and Sekeres can go down to English Bay and fly Fire Benning Kites together. I'm sure fun would be had by all! 

[RWMc1]

4 minutes ago, AV. said:

So, the issue is that I responded later rather than when you wanted?  Uhhm, ok, sorry?

More inability to grasp basic concepts. No surprise.

 

The issue is that you quoted me out of context and characterized me as a poster while not responding to the the post that you quoted. Responding after I queried you is irrelevant.

[AV.]

Just now, IRR said:

 

Yep! As he follows my posts and downvotes them and doesn't even quote me and have a conversation with me about whatever it is he downvoting me for. But, he upvotes all the other posts from the posters who are whining / negative. 

 

If these handful of people hate Benning so much, maybe them, Taj, Uncle Laleet, Drance and Sekeres can go down to English Bay and fly Fire Benning Kites together. I'm sure fun would be had by all! 

Thing is, nobody here "hates" Benning.

 

You're attaching emotion and your own interpretations to these otherwise valid criticisms about his moves.

 

That's not on them, that's on you.