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nhlpa/NHL owners/board of gov shouldn’t allow this embarrassing situation to continue. 
it’s long past the time to move on from the failed experiment in Arizona,move the team already. 
This club has disgraced and damaged  the nhl brand and is the laughing stock of pro-sports. 

 

 this garbage must effect escrow and revenue sharing? 

 




 

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14 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

Does this mean if the University decides to put "Bettman sucks" or "NHL is bush league"  in the ice,the Coyotes would be unable to change it--------the possibilities boggle the mind.

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On 5/18/2022 at 4:42 AM, iinatcc said:

 

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^ Weazel!! Just like the Sherriff of Nottingham in the Robin Hood story & that’s why we boo! Who will be Robin Hood or King Richard.., save us from so many of these liars, gluttons, cheats, thieves & power-mongers. 

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24 minutes ago, viking mama said:

^ Weazel!! Just like the Sherriff of Nottingham in the Robin Hood story & that’s why we boo! Who will be Robin Hood or King Richard.., save us from so many of these liars, gluttons, cheats, thieves & power-mongers. 

I think the only fans didn't boo Bettman were the LA fans :lol:

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4 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

I don’t understand one thing.   They couldn’t sell out when they had their own arena.   Every game was an nhl low in attendance, so what on earth would make people think that if they get a brand spanking new arena, somehow, this will sell out every night.  It’s still the same crap product and still the same crappy results. 

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16 minutes ago, sassbs said:

I don’t understand one thing.   They couldn’t sell out when they had their own arena.   Every game was an nhl low in attendance, so what on earth would make people think that if they get a brand spanking new arena, somehow, this will sell out every night.  It’s still the same crap product and still the same crappy results. 

They think that the location will help is my understanding.  Apparently the previous arena was out of the way for most.  I believe I heard it compared to having the team out in Langley.

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20 minutes ago, sassbs said:

I don’t understand one thing.   They couldn’t sell out when they had their own arena.   Every game was an nhl low in attendance, so what on earth would make people think that if they get a brand spanking new arena, somehow, this will sell out every night.  It’s still the same crap product and still the same crappy results. 

If this new arena goes through (which is almost a certainty it will) the Coyotes will be in a great spot.  They will thrive and will be able to make a 15 mil x 7 offer to Matthews.  

Matthews will be the saviour to Arizona hockey.  LOSER LEAFS are losing Matthews in 2024.  :lol:

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3 hours ago, Cromeslab said:

Who’s funding it?

Privately financed.

 

Here's an overview of the situation by Craig Morgan - he explains in detail where things are at.

https://www.gophnx.com/2022/06/02/as-tempe-city-council-prepares-to-discuss-coyotes-proposed-arena-entertainment-district-heres-what-you-need-to-know/

 

It was published before the vote.  It's Tempe that made a RFP (request for proposal) and the Coyotes were the only ones to respond.  The land is currently a city dump which the city wants to transform into a sports and entertainment district. 

 

From the article:  The Coyotes have proposed a $1.7-billion development that includes a hockey arena, hotels, apartments, retail stores and a sports book. The team says that the project would be privately financed, although it hopes to use a portion of city sales tax revenue generated by the development to help pay for $200 million in additional costs. 

 

Also from the article: There are multiple parties that do not want to see this deal consummated, including some Tempe residents, the City of Phoenix, the City of Glendale and Sky Harbor International Airport officials.

 

Residents: [...] The City of Tempe sits adjacent to Phoenix. Try and find a metropolitan area in the U.S. where a suburb adjacent to a major metropolitan area does not also foster this sort of development. It’s naive of residents to think that they can just preserve the status quo or create more recreational space along the river. An extension of a parkway along Rio Salado produces nothing financially for the city and this real estate is ripe for development. Multiple Tempe sources believe that this deal is fantastic for the city. Follow the money.

 

The City of Phoenix: [...] The city is working hard to kill this deal because it would hurt the city financially. A shiny new arena would create competition for shows with Footprint Center (and Suns owner Robert Sarver) in downtown Phoenix. A new entertainment district would also create competition for the city; competition that sits in the middle of nightlife-friendly ASU and just five miles from popular Old Town Scottsdale.

But here’s another thought to ponder: Does Phoenix want the Coyotes for itself? A government source told PHNX that two Phoenix council members are interested in wooing the Coyotes back to the city, where they played from 1996-2003.

 

The City of Glendale: Speaking of competition, no city stands to lose more from a Tempe arena than Glendale, the city that saved the Coyotes from relocation back in the early part of this millennium. [...].

 

The airport: Where to begin? The airport (and its Phoenix master) has been a thorn in Tempe’s side for decades. [...]  Do not doubt for a second, however, that when airport officials’ lips move (...) the City of Phoenix is the ventriloquist’s hand moving the puppets.

Per sources, city council and staff members do not appear to view the issues that the airport has raised as significant concerns (...). They may face a fight, however.

 

There are backup plans should the deal not go through.

 

Here's a look at what they wish to build:

 

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53 minutes ago, mll said:

Privately financed.

 

Here's an overview of the situation by Craig Morgan - he explains in detail where things are at.

https://www.gophnx.com/2022/06/02/as-tempe-city-council-prepares-to-discuss-coyotes-proposed-arena-entertainment-district-heres-what-you-need-to-know/

 

It was published before the vote.  It's Tempe that made a RFP (request for proposal) and the Coyotes were the only ones to respond.  The land is currently a city dump which the city wants to transform into a sports and entertainment district. 

 

From the article:  The Coyotes have proposed a $1.7-billion development that includes a hockey arena, hotels, apartments, retail stores and a sports book. The team says that the project would be privately financed, although it hopes to use a portion of city sales tax revenue generated by the development to help pay for $200 million in additional costs. 

 

Also from the article: There are multiple parties that do not want to see this deal consummated, including some Tempe residents, the City of Phoenix, the City of Glendale and Sky Harbor International Airport officials.

 

Residents: [...] The City of Tempe sits adjacent to Phoenix. Try and find a metropolitan area in the U.S. where a suburb adjacent to a major metropolitan area does not also foster this sort of development. It’s naive of residents to think that they can just preserve the status quo or create more recreational space along the river. An extension of a parkway along Rio Salado produces nothing financially for the city and this real estate is ripe for development. Multiple Tempe sources believe that this deal is fantastic for the city. Follow the money.

 

The City of Phoenix: [...] The city is working hard to kill this deal because it would hurt the city financially. A shiny new arena would create competition for shows with Footprint Center (and Suns owner Robert Sarver) in downtown Phoenix. A new entertainment district would also create competition for the city; competition that sits in the middle of nightlife-friendly ASU and just five miles from popular Old Town Scottsdale.

But here’s another thought to ponder: Does Phoenix want the Coyotes for itself? A government source told PHNX that two Phoenix council members are interested in wooing the Coyotes back to the city, where they played from 1996-2003.

 

The City of Glendale: Speaking of competition, no city stands to lose more from a Tempe arena than Glendale, the city that saved the Coyotes from relocation back in the early part of this millennium. [...].

 

The airport: Where to begin? The airport (and its Phoenix master) has been a thorn in Tempe’s side for decades. [...]  Do not doubt for a second, however, that when airport officials’ lips move (...) the City of Phoenix is the ventriloquist’s hand moving the puppets.

Per sources, city council and staff members do not appear to view the issues that the airport has raised as significant concerns (...). They may face a fight, however.

 

There are backup plans should the deal not go through.

 

Here's a look at what they wish to build:

 

Place looks boring. 

I actually hate how new developments these days have to make everything super modern. 

It's all style no personality. 

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26 minutes ago, StanleyCupOneDay said:

Maybe you disagree with me on this, but I think the new Seattle arena is the coolest one I’ve ever seen.

Never been. But from the concept of the Arizona one, just felt a bit stale. 

Though I guess to be fair most newly developed areas are.

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