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20 minutes ago, sassbs said:

I don’t understand one thing.   They couldn’t sell out when they had their own arena.   Every game was an nhl low in attendance, so what on earth would make people think that if they get a brand spanking new arena, somehow, this will sell out every night.  It’s still the same crap product and still the same crappy results. 

If this new arena goes through (which is almost a certainty it will) the Coyotes will be in a great spot.  They will thrive and will be able to make a 15 mil x 7 offer to Matthews.  

Matthews will be the saviour to Arizona hockey.  LOSER LEAFS are losing Matthews in 2024.  :lol:

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3 hours ago, Cromeslab said:

Who’s funding it?

Privately financed.

 

Here's an overview of the situation by Craig Morgan - he explains in detail where things are at.

https://www.gophnx.com/2022/06/02/as-tempe-city-council-prepares-to-discuss-coyotes-proposed-arena-entertainment-district-heres-what-you-need-to-know/

 

It was published before the vote.  It's Tempe that made a RFP (request for proposal) and the Coyotes were the only ones to respond.  The land is currently a city dump which the city wants to transform into a sports and entertainment district. 

 

From the article:  The Coyotes have proposed a $1.7-billion development that includes a hockey arena, hotels, apartments, retail stores and a sports book. The team says that the project would be privately financed, although it hopes to use a portion of city sales tax revenue generated by the development to help pay for $200 million in additional costs. 

 

Also from the article: There are multiple parties that do not want to see this deal consummated, including some Tempe residents, the City of Phoenix, the City of Glendale and Sky Harbor International Airport officials.

 

Residents: [...] The City of Tempe sits adjacent to Phoenix. Try and find a metropolitan area in the U.S. where a suburb adjacent to a major metropolitan area does not also foster this sort of development. It’s naive of residents to think that they can just preserve the status quo or create more recreational space along the river. An extension of a parkway along Rio Salado produces nothing financially for the city and this real estate is ripe for development. Multiple Tempe sources believe that this deal is fantastic for the city. Follow the money.

 

The City of Phoenix: [...] The city is working hard to kill this deal because it would hurt the city financially. A shiny new arena would create competition for shows with Footprint Center (and Suns owner Robert Sarver) in downtown Phoenix. A new entertainment district would also create competition for the city; competition that sits in the middle of nightlife-friendly ASU and just five miles from popular Old Town Scottsdale.

But here’s another thought to ponder: Does Phoenix want the Coyotes for itself? A government source told PHNX that two Phoenix council members are interested in wooing the Coyotes back to the city, where they played from 1996-2003.

 

The City of Glendale: Speaking of competition, no city stands to lose more from a Tempe arena than Glendale, the city that saved the Coyotes from relocation back in the early part of this millennium. [...].

 

The airport: Where to begin? The airport (and its Phoenix master) has been a thorn in Tempe’s side for decades. [...]  Do not doubt for a second, however, that when airport officials’ lips move (...) the City of Phoenix is the ventriloquist’s hand moving the puppets.

Per sources, city council and staff members do not appear to view the issues that the airport has raised as significant concerns (...). They may face a fight, however.

 

There are backup plans should the deal not go through.

 

Here's a look at what they wish to build:

 

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53 minutes ago, mll said:

Privately financed.

 

Here's an overview of the situation by Craig Morgan - he explains in detail where things are at.

https://www.gophnx.com/2022/06/02/as-tempe-city-council-prepares-to-discuss-coyotes-proposed-arena-entertainment-district-heres-what-you-need-to-know/

 

It was published before the vote.  It's Tempe that made a RFP (request for proposal) and the Coyotes were the only ones to respond.  The land is currently a city dump which the city wants to transform into a sports and entertainment district. 

 

From the article:  The Coyotes have proposed a $1.7-billion development that includes a hockey arena, hotels, apartments, retail stores and a sports book. The team says that the project would be privately financed, although it hopes to use a portion of city sales tax revenue generated by the development to help pay for $200 million in additional costs. 

 

Also from the article: There are multiple parties that do not want to see this deal consummated, including some Tempe residents, the City of Phoenix, the City of Glendale and Sky Harbor International Airport officials.

 

Residents: [...] The City of Tempe sits adjacent to Phoenix. Try and find a metropolitan area in the U.S. where a suburb adjacent to a major metropolitan area does not also foster this sort of development. It’s naive of residents to think that they can just preserve the status quo or create more recreational space along the river. An extension of a parkway along Rio Salado produces nothing financially for the city and this real estate is ripe for development. Multiple Tempe sources believe that this deal is fantastic for the city. Follow the money.

 

The City of Phoenix: [...] The city is working hard to kill this deal because it would hurt the city financially. A shiny new arena would create competition for shows with Footprint Center (and Suns owner Robert Sarver) in downtown Phoenix. A new entertainment district would also create competition for the city; competition that sits in the middle of nightlife-friendly ASU and just five miles from popular Old Town Scottsdale.

But here’s another thought to ponder: Does Phoenix want the Coyotes for itself? A government source told PHNX that two Phoenix council members are interested in wooing the Coyotes back to the city, where they played from 1996-2003.

 

The City of Glendale: Speaking of competition, no city stands to lose more from a Tempe arena than Glendale, the city that saved the Coyotes from relocation back in the early part of this millennium. [...].

 

The airport: Where to begin? The airport (and its Phoenix master) has been a thorn in Tempe’s side for decades. [...]  Do not doubt for a second, however, that when airport officials’ lips move (...) the City of Phoenix is the ventriloquist’s hand moving the puppets.

Per sources, city council and staff members do not appear to view the issues that the airport has raised as significant concerns (...). They may face a fight, however.

 

There are backup plans should the deal not go through.

 

Here's a look at what they wish to build:

 

Place looks boring. 

I actually hate how new developments these days have to make everything super modern. 

It's all style no personality. 

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16 minutes ago, iinatcc said:

Place looks boring. 

I actually hate how new developments these days have to make everything super modern. 

It's all style no personality. 

Maybe you disagree with me on this, but I think the new Seattle arena is the coolest one I’ve ever seen.

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26 minutes ago, StanleyCupOneDay said:

Maybe you disagree with me on this, but I think the new Seattle arena is the coolest one I’ve ever seen.

Never been. But from the concept of the Arizona one, just felt a bit stale. 

Though I guess to be fair most newly developed areas are.

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11 hours ago, mll said:

Privately financed.

 

Here's an overview of the situation by Craig Morgan - he explains in detail where things are at.

https://www.gophnx.com/2022/06/02/as-tempe-city-council-prepares-to-discuss-coyotes-proposed-arena-entertainment-district-heres-what-you-need-to-know/

 

It was published before the vote.  It's Tempe that made a RFP (request for proposal) and the Coyotes were the only ones to respond.  The land is currently a city dump which the city wants to transform into a sports and entertainment district. 

 

From the article:  The Coyotes have proposed a $1.7-billion development that includes a hockey arena, hotels, apartments, retail stores and a sports book. The team says that the project would be privately financed, although it hopes to use a portion of city sales tax revenue generated by the development to help pay for $200 million in additional costs. 

 

Also from the article: There are multiple parties that do not want to see this deal consummated, including some Tempe residents, the City of Phoenix, the City of Glendale and Sky Harbor International Airport officials.

 

Residents: [...] The City of Tempe sits adjacent to Phoenix. Try and find a metropolitan area in the U.S. where a suburb adjacent to a major metropolitan area does not also foster this sort of development. It’s naive of residents to think that they can just preserve the status quo or create more recreational space along the river. An extension of a parkway along Rio Salado produces nothing financially for the city and this real estate is ripe for development. Multiple Tempe sources believe that this deal is fantastic for the city. Follow the money.

 

The City of Phoenix: [...] The city is working hard to kill this deal because it would hurt the city financially. A shiny new arena would create competition for shows with Footprint Center (and Suns owner Robert Sarver) in downtown Phoenix. A new entertainment district would also create competition for the city; competition that sits in the middle of nightlife-friendly ASU and just five miles from popular Old Town Scottsdale.

But here’s another thought to ponder: Does Phoenix want the Coyotes for itself? A government source told PHNX that two Phoenix council members are interested in wooing the Coyotes back to the city, where they played from 1996-2003.

 

The City of Glendale: Speaking of competition, no city stands to lose more from a Tempe arena than Glendale, the city that saved the Coyotes from relocation back in the early part of this millennium. [...].

 

The airport: Where to begin? The airport (and its Phoenix master) has been a thorn in Tempe’s side for decades. [...]  Do not doubt for a second, however, that when airport officials’ lips move (...) the City of Phoenix is the ventriloquist’s hand moving the puppets.

Per sources, city council and staff members do not appear to view the issues that the airport has raised as significant concerns (...). They may face a fight, however.

 

There are backup plans should the deal not go through.

 

Here's a look at what they wish to build:

 

 

it looks like a bronzed saddle dome. 

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If I'm Tempe and seeing the Coyotes history. I wouldn't sign any deal that locks them in the city for 30 years. 

- What if still no one comes to games?

- What if they start not paying civic taxes? 

 

Glendale is already been burned. What's to stop the Coyote's from being a drain on taxpayers again? 

 

 

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On 6/4/2022 at 9:16 AM, Ghostsof1915 said:

If I'm Tempe and seeing the Coyotes history. I wouldn't sign any deal that locks them in the city for 30 years. 

- What if still no one comes to games?

- What if they start not paying civic taxes? 

 

Glendale is already been burned. What's to stop the Coyote's from being a drain on taxpayers again? 

 

 

Austin Mathews....

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On 6/4/2022 at 8:04 AM, MikeBossy said:

I love this from the article:

 

The Coyotes would need to remove an estimated 1.5 million tons of trash from the site, which is currently a city dump. The team would then need to remediate the site before construction begins at a cost of approximately $70 million.

 

I also love that some residents are opposed to this project - that's basically them saying we would rather have a dump in our backyard instead of the Coyotes. 

Unreal, or they could move into Quebec (or  anywhere)

Is it the cost of a relocation fee that is delaying this?

Why are they so desperate to stay there?

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21 minutes ago, ba;;isticsports said:

Is it the cost of a relocation fee that is delaying this?

Why are they so desperate to stay there?

American National T.V. rights.

Phoenix /Arizona is around the 10th largest tv market- even though nobody watches on tv- or in the stands.

However the league gets to jack their rights fee up as the "NHL is in al the large markets"

 

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On 6/6/2022 at 8:02 AM, ba;;isticsports said:

Unreal, or they could move into Quebec (or  anywhere)

Is it the cost of a relocation fee that is delaying this?

Why are they so desperate to stay there?

 

On 6/6/2022 at 8:24 AM, gurn said:

American National T.V. rights.

Phoenix /Arizona is around the 10th largest tv market- even though nobody watches on tv- or in the stands.

However the league gets to jack their rights fee up as the "NHL is in al the large markets"

 

In other words, they're trying to appear relevant.

 

Except the longer this goes on, the longer the Coyotes ownership gets to clown the league and continue to expose it for the joke that it is. 

 

Not that DoP(e)S isn't doing that on their own singlehandedly already...  :bigblush:

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Consider the NHL as a singular business entity with 32 owners, and as such the decisions they make together are for the betterment of the business as a whole. Sure some divisions within a business may struggle to keep the same profitability levels of the more successful divisions of the company, but they support one another in different ways (ie/ supporting divisions that provide products or services that either increase the value of the other divisions or serve to encompass a wider range of products or services in order to garner larger contracts or scopes of work).

 

Now every business also needs a trash receptacle...the Coyotes are the NHL's trash receptacle.

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