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All Quebec and Hamilton have to do is make sure their development team is in their own backyard. 
 

Canada sounds really nice for a lot of Canadian players...

 

By bringing in their farm team to Abotsford, the Canucks could assemble an entire team’s depth for a franchise on the rise because marginal players felt safer for their families, when being called up and sent down.

Many marginal Canadian players playing in the NHL could make better Canadian teams.

 

I believe Hamilton is big and on the rise enough to attract a team, but a new stadium would have to be built. The downtown core rivals that of downtown Edmonton during the day, Winnipeg at night, and the general ride into Buffalo any day in terms of general aesthetics; a definite upgrade over Cleaveland. 
 

… debatable…

 

But the crazy hockey population is definitely there as all of the disgruntled Leafs fans whose grandfathers were young when they last won the Cup, are instant Tiger Cats fans. Because what else they’d be called. They just need To bring back an AHL team there for their own. Bring back the AHL Bulldogs.

 

Quebec is an absolutely beautiful place with about 1,000,000 hockey starved fans in and around it. Think about it as if you hadn’t eaten since 1995. But you can’t die. And that hunger is always there. Imagine a world without the Canucks.

 

There.
 

A lot of French player potential, especially in this new Cap Era, UFA structure and their general patriotism to a place they don’t even remember, so they had to write it on their car’s license plates so they could remember what they can’t remember; Lindros style. (Too soon? GM?)

 

If you don’t want to watch it all, go to 15:19.

If you’re interested in a very candid interview with his perspective on his whole affaire with the team, the please be my guess. For I rather enjoyed it myself.

 

 

I think given what’s in the air, perhaps the two places where it makes most sense in terms of fan build, are Quebec and Hamilton, CA; where life is stable, and there’s no humanitarian crisis because of the 31% on its way out. It’s safe.

 

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13 hours ago, SergioMomesso said:

The Houston Luckies might have to relocate to Burns Lake if the Coyotes end up moving there? No way that town can support 2 pro hockey teams. 

Haha - I grew up in Houston and with most of those players.

They’re long defunct, but no way they’d relocate to Burns Lake where the water bottles turn to ice.

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On 8/20/2021 at 1:01 AM, grandmaster said:

This team has lost crazy amounts of money since it’s first inception. Bettman has strangely fought hard in keeping the team there and for a time had the NHL foot the bill when a previous owner went bankrupt. 
 

There has to be a reason. Something that we don’t know about, a dirty secret of some sort.  Nothing else really makes sense…..

 

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Nothing strange about it. Arizona is a major USA market. The NHL just signed major TV deals for the USA and part of that deal is based on market exposure. As an earlier poster pointed out this is likely a negociating ploy by Glendale. If memory serves the city is losing mega bucks running the facility. If all else fails Houston makes a lot of sense. Texas is booming, hockey history with the Aeros, a natural rivalry with Dallas. Quebec is a dream and doesn't deserve a team. Ontario would support another team but that will be a franchise sale at + $1 billion not a relocation. 

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20 hours ago, Patel Bure said:

Relocation to Minneopolis?

 

Wondering if it would be possible to.....

 

1) Change the name of “Minnesota Wild” to St.Paul Wild.

 

2) Relocate the Coyotes to Minneopolis and have another Minnesota-based hockey franchise there.

 

Reasoning being this:

 

1) The state of Minnesota is a hockey hotbed

2) You can get a real hockey rivalry between Minneopolis and St.Paul.

 

Can't see the NHL being interested in re-directing fans and sponsorship money from an existing team.   If there's another team in Minnesota, part of the Wild fans will cheer on for this new team but how many completely new NHL fans will they attract.  It could even impact the Wild's revenue negatively if they lose fans and corporates decide to share their investment across both teams.

 

It seems more likely that they will target a market that has the potential to grow a new fan base and expand the brand.

 

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3 hours ago, Boudrias said:

Nothing strange about it. Arizona is a major USA market. The NHL just signed major TV deals for the USA and part of that deal is based on market exposure. As an earlier poster pointed out this is likely a negociating ploy by Glendale. If memory serves the city is losing mega bucks running the facility. If all else fails Houston makes a lot of sense. Texas is booming, hockey history with the Aeros, a natural rivalry with Dallas. Quebec is a dream and doesn't deserve a team. Ontario would support another team but that will be a franchise sale at + $1 billion not a relocation. 

Why would it be a negotiating ploy?

 

The Coyotes are in arrears on their current rent which is a pittance.  How would asking for more in unpaid rent help the city?

 

The team can’t pay its bills and the city wants tenants who can.

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5 hours ago, mll said:

 

Can't see the NHL being interested in re-directing fans and sponsorship money from an existing team.   If there's another team in Minnesota, part of the Wild fans will cheer on for this new team but how many completely new NHL fans will they attract.  It could even impact the Wild's revenue negatively if they lose fans and corporates decide to share their investment across both teams.

 

It seems more likely that they will target a market that has the potential to grow a new fan base and expand the brand.

 

Excellent points as usual mll.

 

Green Bay really intrigues me for some reason.  Outside of the NFL, the NHL would be their biggest pro sport in town. Green Bay is definitely a city in which its fans gets bat$&!# crazy behind if the NFL is of any indication.

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2 hours ago, Provost said:

Why would it be a negotiating ploy?

 

The Coyotes are in arrears on their current rent which is a pittance.  How would asking for more in unpaid rent help the city?

 

The team can’t pay its bills and the city wants tenants who can.

Why were they in talks up until a week ago then? Yes, they owe almost $1.5 mill of which $400 K is 4 months overdue. I am assuming (which is a questionable exercise) that the current ownership group needs certainty if they are looking for partners or simply want to add more money themselves. I wouldn't argue that moving them out wouldn't be what happens. Send them to Houston. 

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9 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

Why were they in talks up until a week ago then? Yes, they owe almost $1.5 mill of which $400 K is 4 months overdue. I am assuming (which is a questionable exercise) that the current ownership group needs certainty if they are looking for partners or simply want to add more money themselves. I wouldn't argue that moving them out wouldn't be what happens. Send them to Houston. 

They owe the city 1.5 mil for rent!  What a friggin’ disaster of a franchise.  OEL and Garland must be so happy to get to a city that actually cares about hockey, and have an owner who’s cheque’s won’t bounce.  

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13 minutes ago, Alflives said:

They owe the city 1.5 mil for rent!  What a friggin’ disaster of a franchise.  OEL and Garland must be so happy to get to a city that actually cares about hockey, and have an owner who’s cheque’s won’t bounce.  

… and apparently they are always late paying bills and the city has had to be chasing them for years to get paid.

 

Heck they are only $1.5 million behind after receiving a crap ton of expansion money.

 

This is with the city taking a big operating loss and not charging them much in the first place.

 

The league needs to stop beating this horse to death and move on, it is embarrassing.

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23 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

I can’t wait for the details of this “proposal” to come out.

 

It will have a bunch of conditions that require hundreds of millions in taxpayer money.  This is an ownership group that has been behind on rent and payroll even with the sweetest of arena deals possible.

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Really think, that Quebec city was given the middle finger when they made their 400 million dollar arena 12 or so years ago, and an ownership group etc.   Those folks are hockey mad ... ARI would be the perfect team to move ... 

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3 minutes ago, IBatch said:

Really think, that Quebec city was given the middle finger when they made their 400 million dollar arena 12 or so years ago, and an ownership group etc.   Those folks are hockey mad ... ARI would be the perfect team to move ... 

Sounds like the Coyotes have no rink to in which to play in Arizona.  Their owner is trying to scam local area council to build him an arena:  Tempe?   But there’s a lot needing to happen before that gets done; could be 7-10 years away.  So where does the club play in the meantime?  This might be a situation where Quebec City gets the Coyotes, because there’s no other alternative.  

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59 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Sounds like the Coyotes have no rink to in which to play in Arizona.  Their owner is trying to scam local area council to build him an arena:  Tempe?   But there’s a lot needing to happen before that gets done; could be 7-10 years away.  So where does the club play in the meantime?  This might be a situation where Quebec City gets the Coyotes, because there’s no other alternative.  

Sure hope so.   Even the name of their new proposed location ... Tempe lol...

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