tas Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 Just now, ShawnAntoski said: You keeping track of my post ? I taught a staff is hired to maximize a roster despite the talent level with the purpose to win ????? so you think rebuilding teams should finish near the top of the league standings, or ... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, tas said: you keep posting this image over and over in every thread, and I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. all that shows is that green was hired to be the coach of a rebuilding team, which, uh, we all kind of already knew. A rebuilding team *SHOULD* find a way to get Juolevi more than 23 games in a season. Even a COVID season. Don't give a **** about "we already have too many left side D". You make room or you ice more than 6 defensemen (like we'd miss a fringe forward up front). OJ's biggest obstacle in his development was lack of playing time (as a result of injuries). That ain't going to change with his ass stapled to the pressbox for like half the COVID season. Edited May 28, 2021 by NewbieCanuckFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 1 minute ago, tas said: so you think rebuilding teams should finish near the top of the league standings, or ... ? So are the Canucks rebuilding or retooling ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 1 minute ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: A rebuilding team *SHOULD* find a way to get Juolevi more than 23 games in a season. Even a COVID season. Don't give a **** about "we already have too many left side D". You make room or you ice more than 6 defensemen (like we'd miss a fringe forward up front). OJ's biggest obstacle in his development was lack of playing time (as a result of injuries). That ain't going to change with his ass stapled to the pressbox for like half the COVID season. juolevi *SHOULD* find a way to get himself into more than 23 games. opportunities are earned, not given, and if green has shown anything in his time here it's that he's more than happy to give young players opportunities in positions to succeed. you do the math. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, ShawnAntoski said: So are the Canucks rebuilding or retooling ??? Ask Michael DiPietro. Another prospect that even I saw more action on weekends than this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, ShawnAntoski said: So are the Canucks rebuilding or retooling ??? rebuilding, since they're building/have built their new core through the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, tas said: juolevi *SHOULD* find a way to get himself into more than 23 games. opportunities are earned, not given, and if green has shown anything in his time here it's that he's more than happy to give young players opportunities in positions to succeed. you do the math. Agree to disagree. How is he going to "earn" minutes from sitting in the pressbox. He's the same coach as he was for the Comets. He leans on his vets/players he knows. Only reason some guys upfront got playing time was as a result of injuries. Edited May 28, 2021 by NewbieCanuckFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, tas said: rebuilding, since they're building/have built their new core through the draft. So an (extended) rebuilt based on your opinion - seems like they have been stuck in retooling mode for awhile now. Luckily, JB is good at drafting with no top 3 pick. Edited May 28, 2021 by ShawnAntoski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 1 minute ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: Agree to disagree. How is he going to "earn" minutes from sitting in the pressbox. He's the same coach as he was for the Comets. He leans on his vets/players he knows. Why Chatfield was given games over him, I'll never understand. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: Agree to disagree. How is he going to "earn" minutes from sitting in the pressbox. He's the same coach as he was for the Comets. He leans on his vets/players he knows. Yeah, despite playing a vet lineup for most of the season the season - it still turned out to be losing season; would had been prudent to accept the losing season (early on) to play & showcase the future but I get it - have to win those loser points for the sake of winning culture ! Edited May 28, 2021 by ShawnAntoski 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 1 minute ago, PhillipBlunt said: Why Chatfield was given games over him, I'll never understand. Yeah - baffling ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, tas said: juolevi *SHOULD* find a way to get himself into more than 23 games. opportunities are earned, not given, and if green has shown anything in his time here it's that he's more than happy to give young players opportunities in positions to succeed. you do the math. From the outside, there are players in this roster that the staff will never sit despite the on ice performance and there are his usual suspects - that are always on a short leash. Most of the young core forced themselves in the lineup and didn’t even give Green a chance to sit them: BB, EP, QH and Hogz; OJ was just not noticeable enough to not sit. Hopefully, OJ doesn’t become his new - development - project once JV gets traded. Edited May 28, 2021 by ShawnAntoski 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knucklehead91 Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 (edited) 45 minutes ago, tas said: juolevi *SHOULD* find a way to get himself into more than 23 games. opportunities are earned, not given, and if green has shown anything in his time here it's that he's more than happy to give young players opportunities in positions to succeed. you do the math. 43 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: Agree to disagree. How is he going to "earn" minutes from sitting in the pressbox. He's the same coach as he was for the Comets. He leans on his vets/players he knows. Only reason some guys upfront got playing time was as a result of injuries. 41 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: Why Chatfield was given games over him, I'll never understand. I believe the reason why Chatfield had more games over OJ was due to cap Juolevi 863k Chatfield 700k iirc I think there was something mentioned a month ago or so in one of the intermissions with MacIntyre, Murph or Taj? About the cap and OJ Not being played edit: I could be totally wrong, but I swear I heard something about a cap issue interfering Edited May 28, 2021 by knucklehead91 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 43 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: Agree to disagree. How is he going to "earn" minutes from sitting in the pressbox. He's the same coach as he was for the Comets. He leans on his vets/players he knows. Only reason some guys upfront got playing time was as a result of injuries. you earn your role in practice and the gym. and green has given plenty of opportunity to boeser, pettersson, hughes, hoglander, and rathbone, so your theory doesn't hold water. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 Just now, tas said: you earn your role in practice and the gym. During COVID, that time was minimal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: During COVID, that time was minimal. ipso facto ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrik Laine Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 3 years @ 6.5 mill a year max for petey and hughes. Case closed. Lock this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 23 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: During COVID, that time was minimal. You and your facts....sheesh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 33 minutes ago, knucklehead91 said: I believe the reason why Chatfield had more games over OJ was due to cap Juolevi 863k Chatfield 700k iirc I think there was something mentioned a month ago or so in one of the intermissions with MacIntyre, Murph or Taj? About the cap and OJ Not being played edit: I could be totally wrong, but I swear I heard something about a cap issue interfering Fair enough. What's done is done. Looking forward to more Juolevi next season, hopefully as a fixture on the defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: Fair enough. What's done is done. Looking forward to more Juolevi next season, hopefully as a fixture on the defense. True enough. I should add, Green with some security now (signed contract for more than just one season) means he won’t be primarily concerned with keeping his job and letting the prospects make mistakes and grow. Not all are going to be like Boeser EP or Horvat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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