'NucK™ Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, IBatch said: Your wrong. Why do you say that? there are more and more rumours pointing to Hugg 8x8 and Pete 8x3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 On our end, we need to see at least one full 82 game season to see them under fire. ie the ups and downs of a regular season , hot streaks and cold streaks. Leadership under fire. And especially playoff fitness. (after a long season). I think that our more balanced roster will spread the scoring around more and the ice time around more. They will be not as focused on as much I would imagine. But might get fewer points as such. But more importantly, they might be healthier come playoffs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 5 hours ago, aGENT said: Yeah, I call horse $&!# on waiting for Kaprizov. They're barely direct comparables and one guy is clearly holding his team hostage. If that's the tactic Pettersson (his agent) wants to use to help building the 'winning team' he wants to be on, have fun being traded. Thankfully, I highly doubt Benning will cave to such demands (if they're even true). CSKA's GM denied there ever was an offer - says there's only friendship. The deadline for RFAs to sign is 1 December - past that date they can no longer play this season. The Wild have the cap space to wait it out - not ideal but they don't have cap pressure. Kaprizov is also not offer sheet eligible. It's more complex for Vancouver because of Ferland and not that it's really a risk but Pettersson is offer-sheet eligible. If either or both remain unsigned by the start of the season it could be problematic to get full LTIR relief for Ferland's cap hit and would reduce their cap space available. Their agent could be using that as leverage knowing that going into the season could force Vancouver into moves they probably don't want to make - adding an LTIR contract like Toronto with the Marner negotiations and/or risking roster regulars through waivers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 1 hour ago, IBatch said: Your wrong. darn rumor lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 was hoping Petey's and Hughes' deals would be announced today. Guess we'll have to wait a little longer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 18 minutes ago, mll said: CSKA's GM denied there ever was an offer - says there's only friendship. The deadline for RFAs to sign is 1 December - past that date they can no longer play this season. The Wild have the cap space to wait it out - not ideal but they don't have cap pressure. Kaprizov is also not offer sheet eligible. It's more complex for Vancouver because of Ferland and not that it's really a risk but Pettersson is offer-sheet eligible. If either or both remain unsigned by the start of the season it could be problematic to get full LTIR relief for Ferland's cap hit and would reduce their cap space available. Their agent could be using that as leverage knowing that going into the season could force Vancouver into moves they probably don't want to make - adding an LTIR contract like Toronto with the Marner negotiations and/or risking roster regulars through waivers. Or Benning can refuse to play that game and say if they're not signed in time, that money won't be available and they'll both have to take less. Personally, my deadline would be the start of camp. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 7 minutes ago, N4ZZY said: was hoping Petey's and Hughes' deals would be announced today. Guess we'll have to wait a little longer. Don't worry. In a couple weeks we will start a new thread, making sure they darned well earn whatever they signed for .... and if either falter then a couple dozen trade threads to consider, just like BB. I'm getting used to the idea of 8 million, being the new 5-6 for these guys. But when the best player in the league is making 12.5 and earning ever penny ... and he's an RFA age still ... let's just hope these guys can do .75% of what he can. Same goes for other players too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 48MPHSlapShot Posted September 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 14, 2021 I'm not big on either one of the rumors. If Petey is getting 8 or more, it should be long term. Hughes shouldn't be getting 8 at all. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 24 minutes ago, IBatch said: Don't worry. In a couple weeks we will start a new thread, making sure they darned well earn whatever they signed for .... and if either falter then a couple dozen trade threads to consider, just like BB. I'm getting used to the idea of 8 million, being the new 5-6 for these guys. But when the best player in the league is making 12.5 and earning ever penny ... and he's an RFA age still ... let's just hope these guys can do .75% of what he can. Same goes for other players too. The best player in the game makes $6.3 million though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 1 hour ago, King Heffy said: Or Benning can refuse to play that game and say if they're not signed in time, that money won't be available and they'll both have to take less. Personally, my deadline would be the start of camp. Yup, let them sit out the year and lose 7-8 mil. I think Jimbo is just doing a superb, drawn out troll job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said: What would Pettersson be at long term? Somewhere between 9 to 11 AAV? 2 hours ago, N4ZZY said: I think I saw somewhere that there was rumors of 8x8 and 8x3. I'm assuming based off of Petey's comments in the Summer, that he's signed 8x3, and Hughes is for 8x8. 2 hours ago, IBatch said: EP long term sure - within reason. QHs sure within reason too. 8x8 and 6.5 x 8 is reasonable. Should still be able to afford both. One has to wonder, if the rumours are true and Kakchuck was offered 8x8 from Dorion, that any deal for EP would be well north of that in dollar figures (obviously not term). If EP's agent knows that Dorion offered that, he knows his client is worth more and may well be holding out in order to use that as potential leverage. Yes, I know its somewhat apples/oranges for several reasons: Ott is at a different point in franchise development; they have little 'star power' on the team, they have cap, players are not direct comparables, ect.... If you're EP and his agent, and you know that a lesser player (Kakchuk) was just offered 8x8 - you definitely don't sign for less. That's how market escalation works, guys like Melnyk are ready, willing, and able to overpay for players like Kakchuk and the market gets blown out of the water flat-cap or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Fanuck said: Could be wrong, but I thought both JB and their agent both confirm they are looking at least one of the two contracts being long term while the other will have to be shorter in length to both work with the cap? It's possible, and I really have no idea for sure, but as we get closer to training camp, in my mind, the more likely bridge deals for both seem more likely. Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Moose Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 Praying for 6 year contracts for both. QH - 6 years @ 7-7.5m per Petey - 6 years @ 8-9m per Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 34 minutes ago, Fanuck said: One has to wonder, if the rumours are true and Kakchuck was offered 8x8 from Dorion, that any deal for EP would be well north of that in dollar figures (obviously not term). If EP's agent knows that Dorion offered that, he knows his client is worth more and may well be holding out in order to use that as potential leverage. Yes, I know its somewhat apples/oranges for several reasons: Ott is at a different point in franchise development; they have little 'star power' on the team, they have cap, players are not direct comparables, ect.... If you're EP and his agent, and you know that a lesser player (Kakchuk) was just offered 8x8 - you definitely don't sign for less. That's how market escalation works, guys like Melnyk are ready, willing, and able to overpay for players like Kakchuk and the market gets blown out of the water flat-cap or not. GMs already know they've put themselves into a corner. Soon as the puck drops 25 or so teams will be cap teams, leaving very little cushion for trades. That's a quote from a GM (in THNs yearbook). Why, with the cap not going up three years in a row, and really not moving up much since 2017-18, four years ago, GMs keep escalating deals is just beyond silly. Funny thing .... we might actually be better trading both these guys to make a run later. Horvat and Miller are the guys that stir the drink anyways. The few that keep cashing in, are lucky. Because when that many teams are pushing the cap and bumping up against it and have issues that won't go away for years ... those other 7 teams sure could take advantage - including asking for retention. JB is one lucky man to pull his big cap dump off. At some point the piper at a league level will have to be paid. I doubt the revenue will reach former highs this year either. Going to take time. Hope he sticks to his guns. Don't want to see us becoming a cap heavy team - huge gamble. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combover Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 2 hours ago, King Heffy said: Or Benning can refuse to play that game and say if they're not signed in time, that money won't be available and they'll both have to take less. Personally, my deadline would be the start of camp. They’ll have to take less! Lol hahaha good one. Or just not play or sign in Europe and instantly undo anything Jim tried to do this summer and it would most likely cost him his job. Agents know Jim’s on win or get lost timeline with out hughes and /or petey it’s bye bye jimbo. not to mention build bad blood between his star players ( not just hughes and petey) that want to win and be a playoff team. I’ll think they’ll signed shortly but I don’t expect any kind discount. And it wouldn’t surprise me if some moves have to be made to clear the cap space to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 Just now, combover said: They’ll have to take less! Lol hahaha good one. Or just not play or sign in Europe and instantly undo anything Jim tried to do this summer and it would most likely cost him his job. Agents know Jim’s on win or get lost timeline with out hughes and /or petey it’s bye bye jimbo. not to mention build bad blood between his star players ( not just hughes and petey) that want to win and be a playoff team. I’ll think they’ll signed shortly but I don’t expect any kind discount. And it wouldn’t surprise me if some moves have to be made to clear the cap space to do it. That would be a huge pay cut if they play in Europe. It's in both their interests to sign something reasonable. If they refuse, there are consequences. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BertaNuck Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 NJ drafting Luke Hughes was probably the worst thing that could happen for benning, Quinn more than likely wants a contract to take him to UFA so he can be with his brothers as a Trio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combover Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, King Heffy said: That would be a huge pay cut if they play in Europe. It's in both their interests to sign something reasonable. If they refuse, there are consequences. Agreed there would be consequences but that’s goes for the GM who had ample time and failed to sign them. “ran out of time” was a lame excuse the first time it cost us a good player. JB is behind the eight ball every agent and GM in the league knows it. Going into the season with out both these guys would be another PR nightmare. and l if I’m an agent that has added value on my clients side and a ton of pressure to get it done on the gm. jim knows he can’t go with out these guys he can play hardball for a bit longer but the reality is sign them or get fired . That’s why they both be signed and then Pearson and poolman who shouldn’t have been signed will be moved. maybe not those two but cap value similar. im not sure what our cap would be after cuts and players sent to the farm. as it stand we only have 10 mill on cap friendly so probably 4-6 mill short for both. Edited September 14, 2021 by combover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Fanuck said: One has to wonder, if the rumours are true and Kakchuck was offered 8x8 from Dorion, that any deal for EP would be well north of that in dollar figures (obviously not term). If EP's agent knows that Dorion offered that, he knows his client is worth more and may well be holding out in order to use that as potential leverage. Yes, I know its somewhat apples/oranges for several reasons: Ott is at a different point in franchise development; they have little 'star power' on the team, they have cap, players are not direct comparables, ect.... If you're EP and his agent, and you know that a lesser player (Kakchuk) was just offered 8x8 - you definitely don't sign for less. That's how market escalation works, guys like Melnyk are ready, willing, and able to overpay for players like Kakchuk and the market gets blown out of the water flat-cap or not. Whatever the cost might be, gotta sign it if you're the Canucks. Cannot afford to lose Petey. He is the franchise at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuporbust Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 3 hours ago, N4ZZY said: was hoping Petey's and Hughes' deals would be announced today. Guess we'll have to wait a little longer. It's ridiculous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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