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45 minutes ago, Filthy McNasty said:

NJ drafting Luke Hughes was probably the worst thing that could happen for benning, Quinn more than likely wants a contract to take him to UFA so he can be with his brothers as a Trio 

 

 

Just like when Marc Staal left the New York Rangers to join his two brothers in Carolina... 

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48 minutes ago, Filthy McNasty said:

NJ drafting Luke Hughes was probably the worst thing that could happen for benning, Quinn more than likely wants a contract to take him to UFA so he can be with his brothers as a Trio 

 

 

I’m good with sending him there now. As long as we get 2 firsts, a second, Subban and Ty Smith. Subban has only one year left and is still good. Ty Smith is their best defenceman and only 21 years old.

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11 minutes ago, grandmaster said:

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Really. Better than Connor? I’m sorry. You are wrong.

Whether you like him or not, there is no denying his talent, and anytime you can get  100 people to make you unanimous MVP with ALL the 1st votes (last time was Gretzky in 82) and your peers don't even get tired or jealous of you getting all the awards and name you the leagues most outstanding player again, it does carry more weight than what a casual observer opinion is :P

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6 hours ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

Toronto's problem wasn't the plan, it was the execution.  They were attempting to emulate the Pens.  They failed to surround their stars with an adequate supporting cast imho.  

Yes… and that was due to the lack of leftover dollars after overpaying for at least two of the three expensive players.

 

If you don’t have cap space left, you can’t afford good complementary pieces… that is the entire point.  If overpaying Petterson and Hughes costs us Boeser and you have to slot in Lockwood (or any other cheap player) in his place, you aren’t likely to be contending regularly.

 

Honestly neither of our guys has earned more than an $8million x 8 year contract, Hughes definitely less than that as he is still one dimensional (though it is a great one dimension)… so maybe extending to between $8-9 million on max term (or less for shelter term) to buy some upside and UFA years isn’t unreasonable.  

The reported Marner comparable ask i(6 x $10.9) s way out of line and should be cause for Benning to hang up and tel them to call back when they aren’t drunk.

Let Petterson sit or sign an offer sheet if that is the salary he wants.  Let Hughes just sit as he has no leverage at all.

 

What the market hasn’t quite accounted for yet is how valuable cap space is.  4 first round compensation picks and an extra $11 million in cap space is just worth more than Petterson at that cost.  So what is the pressure on our side to agree to that salary?  Not agreeing puts us in a better position.  Putting Miller as our 2nd line Centre and being able to add two top Tier pending UFAs at the deadline with the banked cap space is much more likely to garner success than simply having Petterson.  
 

There are a bunch of different scenarios that are better in the short and long term than overpaying by that much.

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18 minutes ago, grandmaster said:

I’m good with sending him there now. As long as we get 2 firsts, a second, Subban and Ty Smith. Subban has only one year left and is still good. Ty Smith is their best defenceman and only 21 years old.

They can send us Zacha, a 1st and Subban (25% retained) and I would still be good.  Smith would also be good.  They can overpay us for the PR of adding another Hughes brother.

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1 hour ago, HomeBrew said:

Just like when Marc Staal left the New York Rangers to join his two brothers in Carolina... 

Yea people are reading into that way too much.

 

Not all brothers need to play with each other. Lots of them go their whole careers without playing on the same team. If that we’re such a big deal why didn’t Luke sign with St.Louis to play with his bro?

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10 hours ago, Provost said:

They don’t have to sit out their stars, because the players end up signing or being traded.

 

We have a fairly deep, solid team for once so need to use that as some leverage.  We would also have a crap ton of cap space if they weren’t signed this season.

 

Players can hold out their services and regularly do… teams can hold out their job offers.  It is all part of the CBA.

 

Getting good deals for these two contracts is going to decide whether we have a reasonable chance to contend for a Cup in the next 5-10 years.  It is that important, so signing bad contracts just to get them playing this year is far less important.  Toronto is a good example of how giving out a couple of bad deals to stare has ruined their chances to contend for an entire window.

 

Benning needs to learn to hang up the phone.

 

Deadlines seem to help deals get done.  Hughes has no leverage at all and since they share an agent now, we can use that in Petterson negotiations (Petterson has to sign first).  They went to the same agent to increase their leverage and it is totally fair to use it against them at the same time.

first off we don't have a deep team at all. we ain't making the playoff with EP and QH sitting at home. 

 

second sure we'll have a ton of cap space if they don't re-sign. ton of cap space to do what? sign chara? neals? staal? there's nothing to spend the cap space on of value other than more bottom 6 and bottom pairing. 

 

deadline gets nothing done. go ahead and spend the cap and sit those 2 players out lol the moment u spend the cap is when another team will offer sheet them for peanuts knowing there's nothing u can do to match unless u spend a fortune ridding contracts. or you suggest we sit on the cap space? lol

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7 hours ago, VegasCanuck said:

It will get done. The fact that we have 2 of them, also means nothing, since they have the same agent and its likely they don't want to announce one without the other.

 

Them missing the advance skates have no real impact on this. Have negotiated a LOT of contracts over the years, as long as both sides are committed to talking and working through things, they get done. These are most likely bridge deals for 2 - 3 years.

I agree. I am expecting bridge deals with Petey getting 7 something and Quinn 6 something. I can't see the team wanting to commit massive amounts of money/cap/term based on such small sample sizes. 

 

I also can't see the players wanting to negotiate their long term contracts at a time when there is such a shortage of money/cap space league wide putting downward pressure on salaries. Especially before they have had the chance to show what they can do with a bit of man strength and experience.

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2 minutes ago, WeneedLumme said:

I agree. I am expecting bridge deals with Petey getting 7 something and Quinn 6 something. I can't see the team wanting to commit massive amounts of money/cap/term based on such small sample sizes, and I can't see the players wanting to negotiate their long term contracts at a time when there is such a shortage of money/cap space league wide putting downward pressure on salaries.

I said as well, earlier in this thread, that I don't think Hughes has proven that he's worth a 9 million per, long term deal yet.

 

There's no denying his ability to create offense, but he hasn't shown that he can do it at an elite level, while being defensively responsible. He's not Makar yet, and I have no question that he has the drive to get there, but he still needs to do it before he can be paid as a truly elite defender.

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50 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

 

deadline gets nothing done. go ahead and spend the cap and sit those 2 players out lol the moment u spend the cap is when another team will offer sheet them for peanuts knowing there's nothing u can do to match unless u spend a fortune ridding contracts. or you suggest we sit on the cap space? lol

Hughes can’t be given an offer sheet… 

 

After Dec. 1st an unsigned RFA can’t sign an SPC for the year so teams can’t give an offer sheet after about Nov. 24th (as the team that owns the rights could just run out their 7 day clock past the deadline)  This came up when Turris was holding out.

 

That leaves us able to spend the cap at the deadline as I mentioned.

 

We are in a really weak division and should be able to hang out around the playoff bubble with or without those players.  Then we would have enough banked cap space to trade for anyone we wanted to push us into a playoff run.

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3 hours ago, cuporbust said:

It's ridiculous 

Sure it sucks for us fans but at the end of the day I want a GM who doesn't just cave. He got Garland done quickly among others and they were fair deals so to me this is more on the agent who is infamous for his tactics.

Gotta say tho when I heard Petey's dad is involved my mind goes straight to Marner  and other hockey dads that get way too involved.

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24 minutes ago, Provost said:

Hughes can’t be given an offer sheet… 

 

After Dec. 1st an unsigned RFA can’t sign an SPC for the year so teams can’t give an offer sheet after about Nov. 24th (as the team that owns the rights could just run out their 7 day clock past the deadline)  This came up when Turris was holding out.

 

That leaves us able to spend the cap at the deadline as I mentioned.

 

We are in a really weak division and should be able to hang out around the playoff bubble with or without those players.  Then we would have enough banked cap space to trade for anyone we wanted to push us into a playoff run.

I don't think it's going to come to this, but hypothetically speaking, you're not wrong. 

 

Not sure what people expect JB to do; just give Petey and QH whatever they want? What kind of precedence does that set for future contract negotiations with other players? These two contracts are the most important job JB has had to do and sets the internal salary cap structure for all future negotiations going forward.

 

I don't expect the players to take a discount, but I expect them to sign a fair deal and if it takes holding into training camp to do that, then all the power to JB. We cannot end up another Toronto, who is realistically going to have to rebuild in a few years if they don't trade out one of their overpriced stars.  

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3 minutes ago, Alienhuggyflow said:

Sure it sucks for us fans but at the end of the day I want a GM who doesn't just cave. He got Garland done quickly among others and they were fair deals so to me this is more on the agent who is infamous for his tactics.

Gotta say tho when I heard Petey's dad is involved my mind goes straight to Marner  and other hockey dads that get way too involved.

Elias Pettersson's dad letting the Flames fans know how many goals his son  has.: canucks

 

"2 years, 10 million or I'll knock your lights out!"

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