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16 hours ago, -Moose said:

I don't think it's going to come to this, but hypothetically speaking, you're not wrong. 

 

Not sure what people expect JB to do; just give Petey and QH whatever they want? What kind of precedence does that set for future contract negotiations with other players? These two contracts are the most important job JB has had to do and sets the internal salary cap structure for all future negotiations going forward.

 

I don't expect the players to take a discount, but I expect them to sign a fair deal and if it takes holding into training camp to do that, then all the power to JB. We cannot end up another Toronto, who is realistically going to have to rebuild in a few years if they don't trade out one of their overpriced stars.  

That is exactly it.  These two contracts trickle down to Boeser, Horvat, and Miller directly in the next couple seasons.

If we sign our best players to $8 million x 8 years contracts, you can legitimately argue no one else gets to go above those and the other guys need to extend in the $6-7.5 million range.

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15 minutes ago, RWMc1 said:

I think the agent is hoping that fans turn on Benning to put more pressure on him to sign more inflated contracts for Pettersson and Hughes.

That strategy makes sense, UNTIL the season starts.. then as the player sees their teammates playing games, suddenly they aren't quite on the same page as their agent who doesn't care if they sign in Sep, or Nov. 

 

Petey/Huggy are being stupid if they really think waiting till the season is upon us is going to get them that extra $0.5-1m they are looking for 

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26 minutes ago, RWMc1 said:

There's a rumour going around that Dhaliwal is just a sock puppet for the agents now. Could that be true?

 

I think the agent is hoping that fans turn on Benning to put more pressure on him to sign more inflated contracts for Pettersson and Hughes. With limited cap space, I don't think that will happen. I see more people getting frustrated with the agent and the players. I caved in to frustration for a short while but have regained my patience.

 

I just hope that they don't expect us to move out a player so that they can get more for themselves. That wouldn't be a good look, especially for Pettersson in light of his recent comments.

It isn’t a rumour really, I am not sure about “sock puppet” but self admittedly most of his sources are agents.

 

The messaging they send through him is always going to have a slant/agenda to it.

 

The while Marner comparable thing could just be the agent raising fears of a crazy contract and then watching everyone sigh in relief when it comes in under that.  That appeared to be the Myers strategy.  Dhaliwal’s sources said $7-8 million AAV… which was nutbar.  When it came in at $6 million folks were relieved…. Even though $6 was a pretty high contract itself.

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With Rookie camp starting this week, and main camp next week... 2 weeks away from the first preseason game... it sure isn't a comforting thing to see our top 2 young players holding out to the very last minute.

 

Why does Canuck management have such a hard time getting franchise level players to sign fair deals ? This is all too similar to Boeser's contract negotiations.

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5 minutes ago, Xol said:

With Rookie camp starting this week, and main camp next week... 2 weeks away from the first preseason game... it sure isn't a comforting thing to see our top 2 young players holding out to the very last minute.

 

Why does Canuck management have such a hard time getting franchise level players to sign fair deals ? This is all too similar to Boeser's contract negotiations.

It is the agent more than Benning. Petey pretty much hired Boeser's agent. 

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9 minutes ago, Xol said:

With Rookie camp starting this week, and main camp next week... 2 weeks away from the first preseason game... it sure isn't a comforting thing to see our top 2 young players holding out to the very last minute.

 

Why does Canuck management have such a hard time getting franchise level players to sign fair deals ? This is all too similar to Boeser's contract negotiations.

I think it's a bit too early to say this.. Boeser was dealing with some pretty significant $&!# that summer, and still inked his deal before preseason started. So maybe that will also the case with Petey & Huggy, and you can say it is similar (in a good way), or they won't sign before preseason, which means what they are doing isn't really similar to Boeser at all (in a bad way). 

 

aka, IMO if a player signs before preseason games start, I see nothing wrong with them holding out till then. holding out past that is when I feel the player is being unreasonable 

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41 minutes ago, Xol said:

With Rookie camp starting this week, and main camp next week... 2 weeks away from the first preseason game... it sure isn't a comforting thing to see our top 2 young players holding out to the very last minute.

 

Why does Canuck management have such a hard time getting franchise level players to sign fair deals ? This is all too similar to Boeser's contract negotiations.

11 days til that first preseason game - I hope it’s televised. 
I’m a-okay with letting Petey and Hughes sit it out a while if they’re not coming around. My allegiance is to the team, and I hope a fair offer is agreed upon.

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53 minutes ago, 'NucK™ said:

I think it's a bit too early to say this.. Boeser was dealing with some pretty significant $&!# that summer, and still inked his deal before preseason started. So maybe that will also the case with Petey & Huggy, and you can say it is similar (in a good way), or they won't sign before preseason, which means what they are doing isn't really similar to Boeser at all (in a bad way). 

 

aka, IMO if a player signs before preseason games start, I see nothing wrong with them holding out till then. holding out past that is when I feel the player is being unreasonable 

Yup, if money becomes more important than the hockey its going to hurt Petey and Quinn, in addition to the team. I still see them signing before then.

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32 minutes ago, 'NucK™ said:

...or they won't sign before preseason, which means what they are doing isn't really similar to Boeser at all (in a bad way). 

I don't think there's really a detriment to the team by either holding out until training camp. That starts... what... the 23rd? It's the media and fans that are making a big deal about this, but for now, neither are causing any harm to the team by holding out for presumably top dollar. 

Once camp starts, it becomes increasingly important to have them signed. If they are still holding out by then, I'll start to get concerned. Not so much concerned we won't be able to get it done, but concerned that the guys are putting themselves ahead of the team and their own start to the season. Now, of course this assumes that Benning is being fair in his offers/negotiations - which he typically is. And if they hold out into the season, well, there's something seriously wrong. By that point, I'm sure details of the offers given will be "leaked" anyway, so we can see which side is truly playing hardball.

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Signed or not I hope these guys are in town by the end of the week.  Need to settle and recover from jet lag.  If Petey fly’s in from Sweden the week before the season starts he and the team will be off to a sluggish start 

 

My guess though is they are timing it to miss the bag skate 

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New faces include Halak Garland Dickinson Poolman OEL Podkolzin Schenn - and Canucks start the regular season on a 6 game road trip.

 

So there could be some real issues caused by Petey and Quinn not signing until the last minute. Practice time together is crucial to pulling the team together and getting them ready to go out on the road to get off to a good start.

 

Hopefully they get that too.

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looking at all player around EP's level he should be getting 7 to 7.5 as I have said, he asks for more then it better be 8 at 8 years!!

 

Hughes is different he has a lot more to prove and should get 6 to 6.5 if long term then 7 for 8 years

 

i think they should sign sooner then later  as EP said he wants to play on a winning team, well we have greatly improved and not signing for what you are worth will get people mad or upset which he does not want!

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1 hour ago, 24K PureCool said:

It is the agent more than Benning. Petey pretty much hired Boeser's agent. 

Why don't all the players just go with the same agent? That way they can ask fir a volume discount on his fees and pass that onto the team. We could spend an extra 500k on d. 

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