Provost Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 16 hours ago, -Moose said: I don't think it's going to come to this, but hypothetically speaking, you're not wrong. Not sure what people expect JB to do; just give Petey and QH whatever they want? What kind of precedence does that set for future contract negotiations with other players? These two contracts are the most important job JB has had to do and sets the internal salary cap structure for all future negotiations going forward. I don't expect the players to take a discount, but I expect them to sign a fair deal and if it takes holding into training camp to do that, then all the power to JB. We cannot end up another Toronto, who is realistically going to have to rebuild in a few years if they don't trade out one of their overpriced stars. That is exactly it. These two contracts trickle down to Boeser, Horvat, and Miller directly in the next couple seasons. If we sign our best players to $8 million x 8 years contracts, you can legitimately argue no one else gets to go above those and the other guys need to extend in the $6-7.5 million range. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 'NucK™ Posted September 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 15, 2021 5 hours ago, combover said: From what I’ve read 24 year old Mitch marner is being used as the main comparison $750,000 and a signing bonus of $9,608,000, while carrying a cap hit of $10,903,000 Ep is a 8.5-10 mill in today’s market for 8 years. Marner signed his deal coming off two straight seasons not missing a single game. 26G-68A-94P in the year right before signing the deal... Petey has not played a single full season, and even if you extrapolate his seasons to 82gp, his totals are nowhere near 94P. So yeah enjoy the year off Petey if you think Marner is your comparable 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RWMc1 Posted September 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 15, 2021 4 hours ago, cuporbust said: There's a rumour going around that Dhaliwal is just a sock puppet for the agents now. Could that be true? I think the agent is hoping that fans turn on Benning to put more pressure on him to sign more inflated contracts for Pettersson and Hughes. With limited cap space, I don't think that will happen. I see more people getting frustrated with the agent and the players. I caved in to frustration for a short while but have regained my patience. I just hope that they don't expect us to move out a player so that they can get more for themselves. That wouldn't be a good look, especially for Pettersson in light of his recent comments. 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'NucK™ Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, RWMc1 said: I think the agent is hoping that fans turn on Benning to put more pressure on him to sign more inflated contracts for Pettersson and Hughes. That strategy makes sense, UNTIL the season starts.. then as the player sees their teammates playing games, suddenly they aren't quite on the same page as their agent who doesn't care if they sign in Sep, or Nov. Petey/Huggy are being stupid if they really think waiting till the season is upon us is going to get them that extra $0.5-1m they are looking for Edited September 15, 2021 by 'NucK™ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Provost Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 26 minutes ago, RWMc1 said: There's a rumour going around that Dhaliwal is just a sock puppet for the agents now. Could that be true? I think the agent is hoping that fans turn on Benning to put more pressure on him to sign more inflated contracts for Pettersson and Hughes. With limited cap space, I don't think that will happen. I see more people getting frustrated with the agent and the players. I caved in to frustration for a short while but have regained my patience. I just hope that they don't expect us to move out a player so that they can get more for themselves. That wouldn't be a good look, especially for Pettersson in light of his recent comments. It isn’t a rumour really, I am not sure about “sock puppet” but self admittedly most of his sources are agents. The messaging they send through him is always going to have a slant/agenda to it. The while Marner comparable thing could just be the agent raising fears of a crazy contract and then watching everyone sigh in relief when it comes in under that. That appeared to be the Myers strategy. Dhaliwal’s sources said $7-8 million AAV… which was nutbar. When it came in at $6 million folks were relieved…. Even though $6 was a pretty high contract itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xol Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 With Rookie camp starting this week, and main camp next week... 2 weeks away from the first preseason game... it sure isn't a comforting thing to see our top 2 young players holding out to the very last minute. Why does Canuck management have such a hard time getting franchise level players to sign fair deals ? This is all too similar to Boeser's contract negotiations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K PureCool Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, Xol said: With Rookie camp starting this week, and main camp next week... 2 weeks away from the first preseason game... it sure isn't a comforting thing to see our top 2 young players holding out to the very last minute. Why does Canuck management have such a hard time getting franchise level players to sign fair deals ? This is all too similar to Boeser's contract negotiations. It is the agent more than Benning. Petey pretty much hired Boeser's agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'NucK™ Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 9 minutes ago, Xol said: With Rookie camp starting this week, and main camp next week... 2 weeks away from the first preseason game... it sure isn't a comforting thing to see our top 2 young players holding out to the very last minute. Why does Canuck management have such a hard time getting franchise level players to sign fair deals ? This is all too similar to Boeser's contract negotiations. I think it's a bit too early to say this.. Boeser was dealing with some pretty significant $&!# that summer, and still inked his deal before preseason started. So maybe that will also the case with Petey & Huggy, and you can say it is similar (in a good way), or they won't sign before preseason, which means what they are doing isn't really similar to Boeser at all (in a bad way). aka, IMO if a player signs before preseason games start, I see nothing wrong with them holding out till then. holding out past that is when I feel the player is being unreasonable 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarjakd Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 On 9/14/2021 at 11:00 AM, tas said: one of these days rick will realize that just because he isn't hearing anything doesn't mean it's quiet -- it means his loose lips have sunk all his source ships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JM_ Posted September 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 15, 2021 6 hours ago, cuporbust said: are you quoting your own twitter account as news? 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slegr Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 41 minutes ago, Xol said: With Rookie camp starting this week, and main camp next week... 2 weeks away from the first preseason game... it sure isn't a comforting thing to see our top 2 young players holding out to the very last minute. Why does Canuck management have such a hard time getting franchise level players to sign fair deals ? This is all too similar to Boeser's contract negotiations. 11 days til that first preseason game - I hope it’s televised. I’m a-okay with letting Petey and Hughes sit it out a while if they’re not coming around. My allegiance is to the team, and I hope a fair offer is agreed upon. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 (edited) 53 minutes ago, 'NucK™ said: I think it's a bit too early to say this.. Boeser was dealing with some pretty significant $&!# that summer, and still inked his deal before preseason started. So maybe that will also the case with Petey & Huggy, and you can say it is similar (in a good way), or they won't sign before preseason, which means what they are doing isn't really similar to Boeser at all (in a bad way). aka, IMO if a player signs before preseason games start, I see nothing wrong with them holding out till then. holding out past that is when I feel the player is being unreasonable Yup, if money becomes more important than the hockey its going to hurt Petey and Quinn, in addition to the team. I still see them signing before then. Edited September 15, 2021 by Gawdzukes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 32 minutes ago, 'NucK™ said: ...or they won't sign before preseason, which means what they are doing isn't really similar to Boeser at all (in a bad way). I don't think there's really a detriment to the team by either holding out until training camp. That starts... what... the 23rd? It's the media and fans that are making a big deal about this, but for now, neither are causing any harm to the team by holding out for presumably top dollar. Once camp starts, it becomes increasingly important to have them signed. If they are still holding out by then, I'll start to get concerned. Not so much concerned we won't be able to get it done, but concerned that the guys are putting themselves ahead of the team and their own start to the season. Now, of course this assumes that Benning is being fair in his offers/negotiations - which he typically is. And if they hold out into the season, well, there's something seriously wrong. By that point, I'm sure details of the offers given will be "leaked" anyway, so we can see which side is truly playing hardball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apricot Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 Can they sign already I'm getting annoyed now 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbllpp Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 Signed or not I hope these guys are in town by the end of the week. Need to settle and recover from jet lag. If Petey fly’s in from Sweden the week before the season starts he and the team will be off to a sluggish start My guess though is they are timing it to miss the bag skate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanfor42 Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 New faces include Halak Garland Dickinson Poolman OEL Podkolzin Schenn - and Canucks start the regular season on a 6 game road trip. So there could be some real issues caused by Petey and Quinn not signing until the last minute. Practice time together is crucial to pulling the team together and getting them ready to go out on the road to get off to a good start. Hopefully they get that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 looking at all player around EP's level he should be getting 7 to 7.5 as I have said, he asks for more then it better be 8 at 8 years!! Hughes is different he has a lot more to prove and should get 6 to 6.5 if long term then 7 for 8 years i think they should sign sooner then later as EP said he wants to play on a winning team, well we have greatly improved and not signing for what you are worth will get people mad or upset which he does not want! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Naslund Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 There's honestly little to know pressure to resign Hughes as he can't sign an offer sheet elsewhere. I think the holdup is Pettersson and seeing what he'll come in at so that they can adjust/sign Hughes to fit in afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erkayloomeh Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 1 hour ago, 24K PureCool said: It is the agent more than Benning. Petey pretty much hired Boeser's agent. Why don't all the players just go with the same agent? That way they can ask fir a volume discount on his fees and pass that onto the team. We could spend an extra 500k on d. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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