tas Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 1 hour ago, JM_ said: are you quoting your own twitter account as news? I've seen a handful of people doing that on here. embarrassing. I guess shameless self promotion is the name of the game in the utterly vapid time that we're living in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combover Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 4 hours ago, 'NucK™ said: Marner signed his deal coming off two straight seasons not missing a single game. 26G-68A-94P in the year right before signing the deal... Petey has not played a single full season, and even if you extrapolate his seasons to 82gp, his totals are nowhere near 94P. So yeah enjoy the year off Petey if you think Marner is your comparable Actually it was Friedman who said that was what he heard was comparison. you can devalue EP all you want the guy won the Calder is the teams best player and everyone goes nutty when he doesn’t get enough credit during the season then it’s contract time and all of a sudden everyone says he not nearly as good. he just off a point per game on a terrible team. Hes a better player than Brady Tkachuk who s looking at 8x8. a year off don’t you mean a year playing in Swedish league in front of friends and family. then what you think he’ll take less next season or just demand a trade,what great look for team thats been losing for almost a decade. So cheap out on super star talent so we can over pay old recycled ufas and take a 6 year handcuffing contract. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erkayloomeh Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 35 minutes ago, combover said: Actually it was Friedman who said that was what he heard was comparison. you can devalue EP all you want the guy won the Calder is the teams best player and everyone goes nutty when he doesn’t get enough credit during the season then it’s contract time and all of a sudden everyone says he not nearly as good. he just off a point per game on a terrible team. Hes a better player than Brady Tkachuk who s looking at 8x8. a year off don’t you mean a year playing in Swedish league in front of friends and family. then what you think he’ll take less next season or just demand a trade,what great look for team thats been losing for almost a decade. So cheap out on super star talent so we can over pay old recycled ufas and take a 6 year handcuffing contract. It's a tricky situation and we only have so much for those two players around 15 mil right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Quint Posted September 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 16, 2021 These guys should look around the league. Teams with friendly contracts do well in the playoffs, teams paying guys top dollar do not do well. i.e.-Tampa, Boston, Colorado- do well. Toronto, Edmonton, not so much. Which kind of team do they want to be on?? 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alienhuggyflow Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 22 hours ago, -Moose said: "2 years, 10 million or I'll knock your lights out!" The Swedish Paul Marner? Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alienhuggyflow Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 4 hours ago, Xol said: With Rookie camp starting this week, and main camp next week... 2 weeks away from the first preseason game... it sure isn't a comforting thing to see our top 2 young players holding out to the very last minute. Why does Canuck management have such a hard time getting franchise level players to sign fair deals ? This is all too similar to Boeser's contract negotiations. If Benning isn't tough we end up with Dubas style contracts. Isn't their agent in the mold of Scott boras the mlb super agent? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkSave Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 (edited) The contracts will get done before training camp. Both players had disapointing seasons and will look to rebound in a big way. They know they are the cornerstones of this team, along with Demko for years to come and they want to put in the work. They are not superstars yet but should be for many years. Hoping they both sign deals they are happy with and that also make sense for the team. If they want to compete year after year for the cup, they cannot pull a Matthews and Marner and both command double digits. My hopes: Hughes 3 x 7 per Petey 3 x 7.5 per * All these d-man signing this summer for 9+ per makes me nervous for Quinn's cap hit. The 3 year term allows us to see how their games grow, with the risk they will crush it and get a huge pay-day down the road. I'm very intrigued to see how this all plays out in the next few weeks. Bottom line, we need them in the lineup from day 1 of training camp. Edited September 16, 2021 by KirkSave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xol Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 5 hours ago, 'NucK™ said: I think it's a bit too early to say this.. Boeser was dealing with some pretty significant $&!# that summer, and still inked his deal before preseason started. So maybe that will also the case with Petey & Huggy, and you can say it is similar (in a good way), or they won't sign before preseason, which means what they are doing isn't really similar to Boeser at all (in a bad way). aka, IMO if a player signs before preseason games start, I see nothing wrong with them holding out till then. holding out past that is when I feel the player is being unreasonable Fair enough with Boeser, but how many teams have had 3 core players hold out until preseason in a 2 year frame? I love most of the moves this summer but regardless, its worrying because these are our 2 most important players and contracts going forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuporbust Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 4 hours ago, JM_ said: are you quoting your own twitter account as news? Lol. No, I'm quoting myself instead of typing. It's laziness, not arrogance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cuporbust Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 7 hours ago, RWMc1 said: There's a rumour going around that Dhaliwal is just a sock puppet for the agents now. Could that be true? I think the agent is hoping that fans turn on Benning to put more pressure on him to sign more inflated contracts for Pettersson and Hughes. With limited cap space, I don't think that will happen. I see more people getting frustrated with the agent and the players. I caved in to frustration for a short while but have regained my patience. I just hope that they don't expect us to move out a player so that they can get more for themselves. That wouldn't be a good look, especially for Pettersson in light of his recent comments. All insiders are used by agents. They always have been. This is nothing new. Dhaliwal probably has the most reliable canucks sources in the industry, so I usually listen when he tweets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABNucksfan Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Time for the boys to put on their big boy pants and realize that they are not worth 3x as much as most players on the team. Are they harder working than Tyler Motte? No, more skilled? Maybe, but is that due to hard work or circumstances? Average GMs sign unproven kids to big contracts and never sniff far payoff runs because of it. Great GMs sign their players to fair deals and push far into the playoffs for years to come… Petey and Hughes win us a cup… then I’m a ok giving them their due. But lets see some consistency, resilience, and success before we start signing over millions to unproven youth… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knucklehead91 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, ABNucksfan said: Time for the boys to put on their big boy pants and realize that they are not worth 3x as much as most players on the team. Are they harder working than Tyler Motte? No, more skilled? Maybe, but is that due to hard work or circumstances? Average GMs sign unproven kids to big contracts and never sniff far payoff runs because of it. Great GMs sign their players to fair deals and push far into the playoffs for years to come… Petey and Hughes win us a cup… then I’m a ok giving them their due. But lets see some consistency, resilience, and success before we start signing over millions to unproven youth… I’d have to disagree about the unproven youth statement. Our youth has proved a lot, sure its only been a couple seasons, but they have consistently put up the same numbers and didnt get hit with a sophomore slump. You can see the talent and potential each night, its not like they have flashes here and there and then disappear for extended periods of time. Even when they are struggling, they are making great plays and getting solid chances. However with that being said, I do agree that I do not want to see JB go full Dubass or Chiapet and hand out monstrous deals that handcuff the teams future cap space. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 13 hours ago, VegasCanuck said: So, you're saying that just because we finished below other teams last year, that it's impossible to improve because they changed the whole structure of the team, plus our prospects are a year older and better? I think you're holding onto past performance too much. Unless we get hammered by injuries, on paper, this is a playoff team. sorry how does ur team improve if EP and QH sits out the year? which is what i was referring to in the quote? you take out ur top player on offense and top player on defense and sit them out for the year and you think we improved by being a year older? i mean the original quote i'm quoting was he thinks we'll be able to compete for playoff by sitting out QH and EP for the entire season if they refuse to sign before the training camp and use the cap at the deadlines to trade for rentals? this team is not a playoff team if EP and QH sits the year which was what i was referring to but i guess u missed all of that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 1 hour ago, wai_lai416 said: sorry how does ur team improve if EP and QH sits out the year? which is what i was referring to in the quote? you take out ur top player on offense and top player on defense and sit them out for the year and you think we improved by being a year older? i mean the original quote i'm quoting was he thinks we'll be able to compete for playoff by sitting out QH and EP for the entire season if they refuse to sign before the training camp and use the cap at the deadlines to trade for rentals? this team is not a playoff team if EP and QH sits the year which was what i was referring to but i guess u missed all of that If both sits out this year, as a consolation, we'd get a shot at Shane Wright next draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, BPA said: If both sits out this year, as a consolation, we'd get a shot at Shane Wright next draft. well knowing canucks lottery luck i doubt it. nor do i think the team is bad enough to be a lottery team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 7 hours ago, wai_lai416 said: sorry how does ur team improve if EP and QH sits out the year? which is what i was referring to in the quote? you take out ur top player on offense and top player on defense and sit them out for the year and you think we improved by being a year older? i mean the original quote i'm quoting was he thinks we'll be able to compete for playoff by sitting out QH and EP for the entire season if they refuse to sign before the training camp and use the cap at the deadlines to trade for rentals? this team is not a playoff team if EP and QH sits the year which was what i was referring to but i guess u missed all of that Who said anything about them sitting out for a year? Go back and read what I wrote and stop panicking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, Xol said: Fair enough with Boeser, but how many teams have had 3 core players hold out until preseason in a 2 year frame? I love most of the moves this summer but regardless, its worrying because these are our 2 most important players and contracts going forward Would you have preferred, that we signed BB to 8 x 8 which was what his agent was driving at? JB needs to stick to his guns. EP has shown that he can be and is a middle of the row C in this league so far. He's not top 10 yet, around 15-16. But has the potential to be a top five C too. QHs is a lot harder to evaluate, but it became awfully apparent, without a Tanev his value is actually a negative one. Defense is also about just that. Yes it's awesome he adds to the offense which for sure he does. I'd take a couple Willie Mitchell's instead though, for the same price. And find out what Rathbone can do. And OJ. To me, we should try and lock EP in long term. If that's not reasonable, then just bridge both of them. Edited September 16, 2021 by IBatch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 7 hours ago, wai_lai416 said: sorry how does ur team improve if EP and QH sits out the year? which is what i was referring to in the quote? you take out ur top player on offense and top player on defense and sit them out for the year and you think we improved by being a year older? i mean the original quote i'm quoting was he thinks we'll be able to compete for playoff by sitting out QH and EP for the entire season if they refuse to sign before the training camp and use the cap at the deadlines to trade for rentals? this team is not a playoff team if EP and QH sits the year which was what i was referring to but i guess u missed all of that Some are saying pay them anything just to get it done at this point. Like Dubas did. Look how that has worked out for them, and sorry EP isn't Mathews, and QHs isn't Marner. They have two guys that are near the top at their positions. And zero cap space to make it work so far come post season. If they need to sit out so be it. I'd rather do that, then sign them to deals they have little chance in earning. In that scenario, we make some trades, and fill out the roster with what's left in free agency (one year deals). Get to see what Rathbone can do, OJ can as well. I'm not a fan of overpaying RFAs, it's a dangerous slope for the entire NHL. JB as a responsible manager, for both the team and the league would be better off not relenting to anything ridiculous. So far he hasn't but also understand this is a lot more pressure then Horvat and BB as well. On BB. It was clear early on - they were so way way far off on a long term deal, that he went ahead and started filling out the roster and the CDC went a little mental then too. With only around 6 left, how in the world could we sign BB too? Well it worked out perfectly. He wasn't overpaid - and even then wow look at the trade threads when he was stumbling a little. A lot of them - for Dumba plus our first mostly lol. Or Trouba ... ugh look at NYR and that albatross now. Lost his spot too. In 94 we went through this with Nedved. That turned out pretty well for us in the end too didn't it? Point is let's relax. And also let's not give up our cap future if the agent is being as unreasonable as BB was. QHs has zero rights. He's a massive trade chip too. So is EP but he's got some. They haven't earned a massive pay day yet, that's what third contract money is about - although they have earned about what we have left on long term deals. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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