Popular Post Bobby James Posted September 17, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 17, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, combover said: Jb has been letting assets walk since he got here why would he try to get a return for a player now. I guess we’ve been in win mode for the past 7 seasons. by the trade deadline it should be clear if this team is a legit cup team or just a fringe wildcard team. a good gm wouldn’t lose a player with miller’s value just to lose in the first round or not even make it and only see him leave for nothing. It’s call foresight and asset management two thing Jb has yet to display and it separates turd GMs like JB from gms that know how to actually BUILD a perennial winner and cup contender. I don't think you'd find many Canucks fans who disagree with you about letting assets walk for nothing in the past. I would guess most feel the same and agree when the Sedin era was ending we should have been trying to stockpile the draft picks and commit to a rebuild. But you're comparing where the Canucks have been at over the past 7 years to where they are now. This isn't a team in a rebuild anymore, we are trying to create a winning culture and while I don't think the team is a cup contender yet I definitely think they should be making the playoffs. Yes it would absolutely suck to lose Miller for nothing if his salary ends up needing to go to our younger core. But I think it is healthier for the team to keep him, push for a good playoff run and accept that we'll lose him in the offseason. Dumping a current key part of our top 6 for a draft pick, while that may be great asset management, I think is another blow to these young guys who want to play on a competitive team that is trending in the right direction. Edited September 17, 2021 by Bobby James 6 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistolPete13 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 25 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said: And Montreal just let Danault walk, Carolina let Hamilton walk, Toronto let Hyman walk, Colorado just let Grubauer walk, Edmonton just let Larsson walk, St. Louis just let Schwartz walk, Dallas let Oleksiak walk, Florida let Wennberg walk, Winnipeg let Forbort walk, Pitt let Ceci walk, Boston let Halak walk, Detroit let Glendenning walk, Calgary let Ryan walk, New Jersey let Murray walk, Minn let Bonino walk, Arizona let Goligoski walk too. Crazy, I know it can't be but it almost seems like lots of teams prefer to keep decent players right to the end and ice a good hockey team instead of selling their souls for a low chance draft pick. Can't wait until we see guys like @combover and those other great CDC GM's in waiting running these teams like they should be. Beat me to it. Could not have said it better. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 30 minutes ago, King Heffy said: If trading Dahlen was a mistake, why isn't he playing at a higher level? What has Dahlen anything to do with Bennings mistakes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 30 minutes ago, tas said: losing a borderline nhl prospect isn't a bad decision. he received another borderline prospect in return, one whose game seems more versatile for the nhl. Bennings mistakes isn't about losing Dahlen... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slegr Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Petey’s contract is getting done Tuesday. Book it! 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Tiger Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Easy to tell 95% of people here only pay attention to the canucks, And cap friendly. And by "pay attention to the canucks", I mean freakout about whatever our local media rats say. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Bobby James said: I don't think you'd find many Canucks fans who disagree with you about letting assets walk for nothing in the past. I would guess most feel the same and agree when the Sedin era was ending we should have been trying to stockpile the draft picks and commit to a rebuild. But you're comparing where the Canucks have been at over the past 7 years to where they are now. This isn't a team in a rebuild anymore, we are trying to create a winning culture and while I don't think the team is a cup contender yet I definitely think they should be making the playoffs. Yes it would absolutely suck to lose Miller for nothing if his salary ends up needing to go to our younger core. But I think it is healthier for the team to keep him, push for a good playoff run and accept that we'll lose him in the offseason. Dumping a current key part of our top 6 for a draft pick, while that may be great asset management, I think is another blow to these young guys who want to play on a competitive team that is trending in the right direction. This is all true. It's going to be a tough decision, especially if we make the playoffs and do some damage. Reality is, we won't have enough money to keep all of them. Some players will need to be traded eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballisticsports. Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 2 hours ago, Bobby James said: I don't think you'd find many Canucks fans who disagree with you about letting assets walk for nothing in the past. I would guess most feel the same and agree when the Sedin era was ending we should have been trying to stockpile the draft picks and commit to a rebuild. But you're comparing where the Canucks have been at over the past 7 years to where they are now. This isn't a team in a rebuild anymore, we are trying to create a winning culture and while I don't think the team is a cup contender yet I definitely think they should be making the playoffs. Yes it would absolutely suck to lose Miller for nothing if his salary ends up needing to go to our younger core. But I think it is healthier for the team to keep him, push for a good playoff run and accept that we'll lose him in the offseason. Dumping a current key part of our top 6 for a draft pick, while that may be great asset management, I think is another blow to these young guys who want to play on a competitive team that is trending in the right direction. This is what i feel will happen as well, but also at the same time, if we could make the push the next year and get a food draft position, if management doesn't feel team is there, is not a bad thing either We did the same for TT and never even made playoffs the next year Tough decision (Hopefully we surprise and are better contenders than we anticipate) and maybe not even a dilemma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fanuck Posted September 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 18, 2021 6 minutes ago, ba;;isticsports said: This is what i feel will happen as well, but also at the same time, if we could make the push the next year and get a food draft position, if management doesn't feel team is there, is not a bad thing either JB has traded away so many picks we're resorting to drafting food groups? 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 21 hours ago, VegasCanuck said: This is asking 1% of the players to give up potential income. The other 99% make more. There's no change in the cap other than how it's distributed. I think the overwhelming majority of players would be okay with this. not really this would affect the top end players and the middle players.. only one that benefits are the low end players. middle tier player based their salary off of the top end player lol. if say the top end players were getting 12mil before and u were getting say 7-8? now they are getting under 10? then u bet ur ass you are only getting 5-6mil. while the ppl making minimum salary would get a slight bump to maybe 1mil minimum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 24 minutes ago, Fanuck said: JB has traded away so many picks we're resorting to drafting food groups? Pretty sure that's a banana in his pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWMc1 Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 4 hours ago, NHL97OneTimer said: The league changed to a contract average being used for QOs, but I thought Boeser's contract is grandfathered such that it has to be 100% of the final year ($7.5M/yr....my mistake). Still, the question is whether or not he wants a raise on $7.5M, which is arguably too much as it is. I thought that Brockstar was one of our best players last season. Him and Bo. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 5 hours ago, NHL97OneTimer said: The league changed to a contract average being used for QOs, but I thought Boeser's contract is grandfathered such that it has to be 100% of the final year ($7.5M/yr....my mistake). Still, the question is whether or not he wants a raise on $7.5M, which is arguably too much as it is. No you are correct. BB is grandfathered in. And his QO is $7.5M. https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2020/07/nhl-to-change-qualifying-offer-rules.html Google - 2020 NHL CBA extension Memorandum of Understanding (MOU). It provides a downloadable content of the MOU. Item 68 is Qualifying Offers. For SPCs signed after the date of this agreement, if the minimum Paragraph 1 NHL Salary portion of a Player’s Qualifying Offer would otherwise be greater than 120% of the Averaged Amount of the SPC, the minimum Paragraph 1 NHL Salary portion of the Qualifying Offer will instead be 120% of the Averaged Amount. So after the MOU was signed, contracts are subject to the new QO rules. Which also means contracts signed before the MOU is subject to the old QO rules. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHL97OneTimer Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 36 minutes ago, RWMc1 said: I thought that Brockstar was one of our best players last season. Him and Bo. It was a shortened season, but yes he was. Over the past 3 years is tough to comment on because of his injuries. All of the top guys are great and I don't want to see them traded.....but if we want to keep them, we can't be paying them all $7-9 M/yr....that's my only caution here. Contenders need a bunch of guys to play for a tad lower than their market value. This is why I see the importance of QH and EP right now.....their contracts will set the conditions for others and therefore likely define the potential for this team over the next 5 years. Is the Brockstar worth $8+ M/yr in his next contract? I'm thinking a savy GM has to say no. $6-7 M/yr is the sweetspot in my mind. It would be brutal to see him go though. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 8 minutes ago, NHL97OneTimer said: It was a shortened season, but yes he was. Over the past 3 years is tough to comment on because of his injuries. All of the top guys are great and I don't want to see them traded.....but if we want to keep them, we can't be paying them all $7-9 M/yr....that's my only caution here. Contenders need a bunch of guys to play for a tad lower than their market value. This is why I see the importance of QH and EP right now.....their contracts will set the conditions for others and therefore likely define the potential for this team over the next 5 years. Is the Brockstar worth $8+ M/yr in his next contract? I'm thinking a savy GM has to say no. $6-7 M/yr is the sweetspot in my mind. It would be brutal to see him go though. BB next contract will be in the $7-8M range. Just need to look at what Landeskog signed for. $7M and it was a team friendly deal too. So thinking $7.5M x 8yrs would be fair for BB. Then I can wear my BB Jersey for the next 9 years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cromeslab Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 Sooner the better but I understand these things take time.To miss training camp is not a good thing imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 4 hours ago, Slegr said: Petey’s contract is getting done Tuesday. Book it! Done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 5 hours ago, Slegr said: Petey’s contract is getting done Tuesday. Book it! I bet Petie and Hughes are as excited for the new year as we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 6 hours ago, Bobby James said: I don't think you'd find many Canucks fans who disagree with you about letting assets walk for nothing in the past. I would guess most feel the same and agree when the Sedin era was ending we should have been trying to stockpile the draft picks and commit to a rebuild. But you're comparing where the Canucks have been at over the past 7 years to where they are now. This isn't a team in a rebuild anymore, we are trying to create a winning culture and while I don't think the team is a cup contender yet I definitely think they should be making the playoffs. Yes it would absolutely suck to lose Miller for nothing if his salary ends up needing to go to our younger core. But I think it is healthier for the team to keep him, push for a good playoff run and accept that we'll lose him in the offseason. Dumping a current key part of our top 6 for a draft pick, while that may be great asset management, I think is another blow to these young guys who want to play on a competitive team that is trending in the right direction. If Podkolzin really can replace Miller on the 1st line season after next, we should do what Tampa did with Miller. Trade him for a first rounder (+ prospect since Miller's value has gone up since) in the off season, then flip the first for a value player that fills the role (i.e., Blake Coleman). But this might be hard to pull off. As EP, QH, Pod, Hog, and even Boeser will get better in the next little while and we could seriously contend for the cup. We should keep Miller for the playoff run even if it means losing him for nothing in the free agency. And who knows? He might sign at a discount to play here. He might do that if he likes the team and the role that he is given. Or we could even dump another contract, say Myers and find a way to re-sign all of Miller, Horvat, and Boeser. As it stands, each of them will need about 1.5-2.5 mil increase in their next contracts so that adds up to about 6 mil = Myers salary. Luongo's cap recapture comes off as well and that's gotta help somehow too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 8 hours ago, aGENT said: There's a point where you simply need to try to win (and show your remaining players that) at the expense of pure 'asset management'. So do what we have done most of the last 10 years...worked out well for us! Well aware we wont trade JT if we are in the hunt but if we don't retain him it would suck to lose the asset. Our prospect cupboard is quite empty and we have traded lots of picks, this is on the GM...he could be gone after this year if we don't make the post season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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