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Just now, VancouverHabitant said:

Okay, let's pretend that they're the same defensively.  

 

Brayden Point just put up back to back 14 goal postseasons and won two cups.  I have high hopes for Petey, but his high mark in his career is what, 67 points?  In terms of what he's proven, it's really not much.  His PPG in our playoff run 2 years ago was probably the most impressive for me.  

 

I'm just saying that you can't even compare the two today in terms of what they've each proven in the league.  Petey has to prove that he can be the number 1 center on a contender, not on a weak non-playoff team. 

so is that his fault he doesn't have a chance to prove because the team is bad? EP have to prove he can be a number 1 center on a contender well the team have to be a contender in the first place? replace BP with EP on tampa they still win their 2 cups. just like can BP prove he can perform on a non contender weak non playoff team when he's not surrounded by an art ross and norris winner feeding him the puck and a vezina goalie to bail him out on the rare occasion he makes a mistake? people keep saying you have to prove this prove that. you guys keep saying BP have proven so much and EP have proven nothing.. BP have proven so much on a stacked team. i mean you might as well say other than scoring goals in the regular season matthew and mcdavid have proven nothing in the league either and so far have proved you can win with neither of them atm since they can't solo carry bad teams themselves

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1 minute ago, shiznak said:

Kopitar didn’t get a single Selke vote in 2018, after winning it in 2017. I guess, he isn’t a perennial Selke nominee.

have you watched Kopitar at all? he's nothing close to what he has been since 2017 lol it's funny when your team sucks and sits at the bottom of the league like the canucks have been in most of the seasons recently all of a sudden you ain't in the selke nomination no more eh?

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1 minute ago, wai_lai416 said:

have you watched Kopitar at all? he's nothing close to what he has been since 2017 lol it's funny when your team sucks and sits at the bottom of the league like the canucks have been in most of the seasons recently all of a sudden you ain't in the selke nomination no more eh?

After not getting a single vote in 2018. He was 7th in voting in 2019, and 12th last year.

 

He was almost a ppg last year.

 

So, beg the question. Have you seen him play recently? 
 

 

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1 minute ago, shiznak said:

After not getting a single vote in 2018. He was 7th in voting in 2019, and 12th last year.

 

He was almost a ppg last year.

 

So, beg the question. Have you seen him play recently? 
 

 

once again he got 4 out of a possible 150+ votes? so all of a sudden he's relevant again?

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15 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

once again he got 4 out of a possible 150+ votes? so all of a sudden he's relevant again?

You’re making some nonsensical argument here, just to prove to yourself that you’re right. I’m surprised you haven’t gone with “oh he played in a different system with a different coach, yadda yadda.” I don’t care how many voters out of 150 votes. Voted  him as a Selke nominee. The fact is out of all the players in the league. Kopitar was the 7th best player, voted in as a Selke candidate.

 

That same argument applies to Point. Getting notice as a Selke nominee, no matter how many votes you got, goes a long way. Other writers will notice. If Pettersson is as good as you claim him to be, he would have at least gotten some votes from someone and so far, after all the exposure from his rookie year. He’s gotten zero votes.

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17 hours ago, khay said:

If Poolman at 2.5 mil is the worst paid contract, there's no problem.

 

Myers at 6 is nothing like Player Name at 6.

 

Myers is playing about 20 minutes a game and scoring 20+ points without any PP time.

 

I don't think we have any dead cap now.

The context of my comment was a discussion of where extra cap could be gained, if needed, for Boeser and Miller. JB got rid of the dead weight. The question was where are the contracts that could be exchanged for more cap. The players mentioned are not dead weight but are the contracts I would look at if more cap is needed. 

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12 hours ago, NHL97OneTimer said:

It was a shortened season, but yes he was.  Over the past 3 years is tough to comment on because of his injuries.  All of the top guys are great and I don't want to see them traded.....but if we want to keep them, we can't be paying them all $7-9 M/yr....that's my only caution here.  Contenders need a bunch of guys to play for a tad lower than their market value.  This is why I see the importance of QH and EP right now.....their contracts will set the conditions for others and therefore likely define the potential for this team over the next 5 years.

 

Is the Brockstar worth $8+ M/yr in his next contract?  I'm thinking a savy GM has to say no.  $6-7 M/yr is the sweetspot in my mind.  It would be brutal to see him go though.

Cleary our best goal scorer, one of the best in the game actually (top 20 last year). and trending upwards while filling in an all around game. Hands down our best player last year imo. I don't see how he's not worth $7.5+ unfortunately. I would say we're 95% keeping him.

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11 hours ago, khay said:

If Podkolzin really can replace Miller on the 1st line season after next, we should do what Tampa did with Miller.

 

Trade him for a first rounder (+ prospect since Miller's value has gone up since) in the off season, then flip the first for a value player that fills the role (i.e., Blake Coleman).

 

But this might be hard to pull off.

 

As EP, QH, Pod, Hog, and even Boeser will get better in the next little while and we could seriously contend for the cup. We should keep Miller for the playoff run even if it means losing him for nothing in the free agency.

 

And who knows? He might sign at a discount to play here. He might do that if he likes the team and the role that he is given. 

 

Or we could even dump another contract, say Myers and find a way to re-sign all of Miller, Horvat, and Boeser. As it stands, each of them will need about 1.5-2.5 mil increase in their next contracts so that adds up to about 6 mil = Myers salary.

 

Luongo's cap recapture comes off as well and that's gotta help somehow too.

 

Trade him at the deadline for Mukhamadullin and a third. :lol: :canucks:

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Actually, using Myers money makes quite a bit of sense if we can replace him cheaper next offseason.

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Does Arizona or Buffalo (not Eichel) have anything we want? I figure if Pettersson wants to win he should be given his opportunities there. 

 

If they both are not signed by season start, how good are we. I figure that if we are winning like we were starting to do before Covid wrecked the season, then they will sign quick to a friendly deal. If we are losing they will get a crappy team contract. Then it is better to trade them out.

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7 hours ago, wai_lai416 said:

once again he got 4 out of a possible 150+ votes? so all of a sudden he's relevant again?

 

7 hours ago, shiznak said:

You’re making some nonsensical argument here, just to prove to yourself that you’re right. I’m surprised you haven’t gone with “oh he played in a different system with a different coach, yadda yadda.” I don’t care how many voters out of 150 votes. Voted  him as a Selke nominee. The fact is out of all the players in the league. Kopitar was the 7th best player, voted in as a Selke candidate.

 

That same argument applies to Point. Getting notice as a Selke nominee, no matter how many votes you got, goes a long way. Other writers will notice. If Pettersson is as good as you claim him to be, he would have at least gotten some votes from someone and so far, after all the exposure from his rookie year. He’s gotten zero votes.

I've got to chime in after reading this back and fourth. First off this is classic extreme homerism on WaiLai's part. Petterson is quite good at defence for a flashy type of player. His speed, hustle, and commitment, to the back check are exceptional. However his understanding of what to do when he gets there is fairly lacking and and he ends up laying on the ground half of the time. You also have to take into account his dangerous passing and laissez faire attitude in the offensive zone which became more apparent last year. Add to that Petterson doesn't kill penalties and needs work on face-offs. Then there are the playoffs. Also articles such as the following are not written about #40. I love Petey but c'mon man.

 

https://thehockeywriters.com/tampa-bay-lightning-point-bergeron/

 

https://www.rawcharge.com/2021/8/19/22630714/2020-21-lightning-player-grades-the-top-forwards-nikita-kucherov-review-tampa-bay

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On 9/17/2021 at 7:55 AM, Hairy Kneel said:

Petie and Hughes have to see JB is building a stronger team around them. 

Teams are not going to be able to lock in on just Petie and Hughes now. 

Other lines are stronger and OEL will also contribute from the back end. 

I don't think a bridge deal at 3x7.5 is an insult at all. 

I keep thinking the same thing.  They've GOT to be chomping at the bit to get back on the ice with these amazing new players in the mix.

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Imo Canucks have a good enough supporting player group too allow EP40 and Quinn too have a slow start to the season. Quinns offense can struggle at season start but his Defense is more important and has to be more on point.

 

i would luv them both too sign asap so they don’t miss any camp.

 

 

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Excited about additions to the team this off season ,just really hopeful that the 2 talented young stars can sign contracts that don't handcuff our team in coming years.I find it really  hard to believe  that a 7.25 m for Petey and a 6.25 for Quinn  for 3 years  would be looked at as a lowball offering.When you have only played 2 and 3 years and offered a 6 and 5 million dollar raise ,see if you can get by on that wage ,prove that consistency  and durability  over a longer period,prove you really want to lead the Canucks.Then you can ask and demand the 8-11 million

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1 minute ago, Islandclarky said:

Excited about additions to the team this off season ,just really hopeful that the 2 talented young stars can sign contracts that don't handcuff our team in coming years.I find it really  hard to believe  that a 7.25 m for Petey and a 6.25 for Quinn  for 3 years  would be looked at as a lowball offering.When you have only played 2 and 3 years and offered a 6 and 5 million dollar raise ,see if you can get by on that wage ,prove that consistency  and durability  over a longer period,prove you really want to lead the Canucks.Then you can ask and demand the 8-11 million

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5 minutes ago, Islandclarky said:

Excited about additions to the team this off season ,just really hopeful that the 2 talented young stars can sign contracts that don't handcuff our team in coming years.I find it really  hard to believe  that a 7.25 m for Petey and a 6.25 for Quinn  for 3 years  would be looked at as a lowball offering.When you have only played 2 and 3 years and offered a 6 and 5 million dollar raise ,see if you can get by on that wage ,prove that consistency  and durability  over a longer period,prove you really want to lead the Canucks.Then you can ask and demand the 8-11 million

You're way too reasonable to understand the brilliant minds at CAA

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8 hours ago, VancouverHabitant said:

Jack Skille played in 6 games that year.  

Bryan Bickell played 16 games that year. 

Corey Crawford played exactly 1 game that year (Cristobal Huet was their backup).  

 

I was only counting the main players that should make the opening night roster on the Canucks.  We have lots of young players that will end up playing a handful of games this year. 

 

Take those 3 out and you still have 10 players at or below 25 and 3 players at 26.

 

It's not about the age. It's the superstars that can constantly win the match up games followed by superior depth that also wins against their match ups more often than not.

 

I think we've got the depth now and all we need is the stars to take another step forward + coach that knows how to win in the playoffs. Green is growing and becoming better so hopefully he's the guy that gets us there... 

 

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2 hours ago, steviewonder20 said:

The context of my comment was a discussion of where extra cap could be gained, if needed, for Boeser and Miller. JB got rid of the dead weight. The question was where are the contracts that could be exchanged for more cap. The players mentioned are not dead weight but are the contracts I would look at if more cap is needed. 

Got it, makes total sense.

 

Yeah I totally missed the context. I agree, Myers would be the guy to go if we needed to find space to re-sign Boes, JT, and Bo.

 

If Woo progresses or we find a cheaper RD alternative, trading Myers will very much be an option.

 

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