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12 minutes ago, Apricot said:

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This just looks real weird to me.  Saying something in passed tense for the next day.  Hope it works though. :towel:

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22 hours ago, VancouverHabitant said:

The problem with our prospect pool is the fact that Hoglander, Podkolzin and Rathbone are good enough to play in the NHL this year.  

 

I know we're all enamored with young players and draft picks, but you can only ice a team so young.  We can't have a full team of 20-25 year olds, it just doesn't work that way.  As it stands, we are going to have 10 out of 23 players be in that 25 and under range...  plus another 3 who are 26.  

 

I think it's important that we get back to drafting in the 1st round next year, but we have lots of lottery tickets playing in Europe and the NCAA. 

Well looking at the cap picture it isn’t just a “nice to have” with more prospects coming in the pipeline… it is a must have.

 

We have a bunch of players due raises over the next 2-3 years Boeser, Horvat, Miller, Hoglander, etc (also likely including one of Petterson and Hughes coming off a bridge deal).

 

We will likely have to let go of someone like Miller to be able to pay the raises.

 

We NEED Podkolzin to become a top six player in time to replace Miler.. and we will NEED someone coming in behind him to replace the next “too expensive” vet that we need to let go.

 

We also have to do that on defence while somehow improving it.

 

The math requires a consistent injection of 1-2 new players on ELCs each year who come in and contribute in an meaningful way and not just as fringe players.  The new trend of overpaying players coming off their ELCs has entirely changed the market in the last few years.  
 

You must have a few players overplaying their contract value which we just don’t have.  We took a huge step in jettisoning dead weight but who are exactly our great value players this coming season?  Hoglander maybe, Podkolzin maybe, Horvat is underpaid by a million or so, same with Miller.  None of the names are guys on long term team friendly deals.

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8 hours ago, VancouverHabitant said:

On another note, the most ludicrous idea that I've heard here was someone mentioning that Canucks should trade a player out to make more cap space.  That is the most ludicrous idea I've ever heard, and it would pretty much make sure that the rest of the team despises the two stars that forced some other well-liked teammate out of the team so that they can squeeze out a few more dollars.  

 

 

Unless it's Loui Player Name :)

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Just gotta get these two guys signed then go from there. I really hope its affordable. I think they’re great players so the price tag is scary. 
 

as far as future , Pearson 3 mil gone for next offseason would help imo. 
 

Excited for this season too start. Got a very very good feeling that this season will be a great one. Canucks have a solid group. 
 

lets also hope its a great hockey year for the league so the cap goes up soon. Fans in the seats definitely will help.

 

Go Canucks Go 

 

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5 hours ago, Provost said:

Well looking at the cap picture it isn’t just a “nice to have” with more prospects coming in the pipeline… it is a must have.

 

We have a bunch of players due raises over the next 2-3 years Boeser, Horvat, Miller, Hoglander, etc (also likely including one of Petterson and Hughes coming off a bridge deal).

 

We will likely have to let go of someone like Miller to be able to pay the raises.

 

We NEED Podkolzin to become a top six player in time to replace Miler.. and we will NEED someone coming in behind him to replace the next “too expensive” vet that we need to let go.

 

We also have to do that on defence while somehow improving it.

 

The math requires a consistent injection of 1-2 new players on ELCs each year who come in and contribute in an meaningful way and not just as fringe players.  The new trend of overpaying players coming off their ELCs has entirely changed the market in the last few years.  
 

You must have a few players overplaying their contract value which we just don’t have.  We took a huge step in jettisoning dead weight but who are exactly our great value players this coming season?  Hoglander maybe, Podkolzin maybe, Horvat is underpaid by a million or so, same with Miller.  None of the names are guys on long term team friendly deals.

Right now we have a decent chance of finding high value on Garland, which is nice, and for sure we still have a couple years of good value on Horvat, Miller, Hogs, Podz etc.   Pearson is fair value, Sutter is excellent value.    Dickinson fair value.    Not really much to complain about in that regard, although we won't know about EP, QHs and OEL for awhile yet (likely).    Demko also has a good chance of being a long term underpaid star.   Gives us a few years to sort things out on our D before the bulk of our core is in that 25-32 range, where most cups are won.    I don't think it's that bad at all anymore, Luongo's cap and buyout penalties come off the books to help with BB, and Horvat/Miller.     Do think we'd be wise to consider trading Miller rather then losing him for nothing, but doubt that will happen if we win a round this year .... and are in again the following.   In that case lots of money to spread around and maybe even add if he walk.   Otherwise a trade like Pearson would give us enough to keep them both (Miller and Horvat).   Speaking of adding, Staal is still around ... he'd be a great add this year and next like Perry in TB...i won't be surprised if we add if both are bridged.  

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On 9/17/2021 at 8:42 AM, The Lock said:

Honestly, is anyone going to be upset if it's 8mil as opposed to 7.5mil and, if so, why? I don't really know if I understand worrying about half a mil even if the 2 of them add up to 1mil.... like whoopdidoo?

So conversely 7M shouldn't be outside reasonable value for 3 seasons. 

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14 hours ago, wai_lai416 said:

extremem homerism? is EP better than Point right now in the career no? is BP heads and shoulder above EP defensively also no. should EP get a contract like BP right now? prolly no. can BP replicate his success playing on a team that finishes in the bottom 10 every year? prolly no. BP is a big contributor in winning the stanley cup the last 2 season but you guys talk like kucherov hedman vasilevsky stamko all did nothing.. those players easily could be the top players on a lot of different teams. when was the last team to have a norris vezina hart art ross trophy past conn smyth winner all in their prime on the same team at the same time? EP doesn't play PK doesn't mean he can't play PK. it's just there are other choices available for the PK, and his faceoff needs work. his positioning is amazing defensively clogging up shooting lanes.. he leads the team in terms of block shot by forwards in the last few years. then again why increase his workload by playing him more on defensive side of the puck and end up lowering his offensive time? who else on this team are you going to put the offensive zone time for the last couple of season? loui? virtanen? 

Good Points (no pun intended) Wai Lai. You are correct this is all possible in the future, it's just not reality today. You could also say Bergeron wouldn't have even been a Selke nominee had he played with the Canucks the last decade. Lots of these accolades are situation based. Also we were struggling to find guys to PK last year and Petey never even got so much as a glance. His defence has a lot of potential but he is very raw right now shot blocking aside.

 

This thread is about his contract though and Point beats him hands down in nearly every single category.

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3 hours ago, IBatch said:

Right now we have a decent chance of finding high value on Garland, which is nice, and for sure we still have a couple years of good value on Horvat, Miller, Hogs, Podz etc.   Pearson is fair value, Sutter is excellent value.    Dickinson fair value.    Not really much to complain about in that regard, although we won't know about EP, QHs and OEL for awhile yet (likely).    Demko also has a good chance of being a long term underpaid star.   Gives us a few years to sort things out on our D before the bulk of our core is in that 25-32 range, where most cups are won.    I don't think it's that bad at all anymore, Luongo's cap and buyout penalties come off the books to help with BB, and Horvat/Miller.     Do think we'd be wise to consider trading Miller rather then losing him for nothing, but doubt that will happen if we win a round this year .... and are in again the following.   In that case lots of money to spread around and maybe even add if he walk.   Otherwise a trade like Pearson would give us enough to keep them both (Miller and Horvat).   Speaking of adding, Staal is still around ... he'd be a great add this year and next like Perry in TB...i won't be surprised if we add if both are bridged.  

I am not actually advocating for trading or letting Miller walk, just don’t know enough about what our situation will be by that point.
 

I was just pointing out the cap considerations and that all our most efficient contracts are coming up for renewal in the next little bit.  As they roll into market rate deals, we will need to make choices and ensure we still have a pipeline of prospects who are capable of coming in and playing in the top of the lineup for cheap.

 

Most of our prospects now project to be bottom of the lineup (because all the top ones have graduated to the NHL).  Those spots can be filled either by young guys or veterans looking to extend their careers like you mentioned with Staal/Perry types.

 

We took a huge step getting rid of bad value contracts, it just put a two year hole in the prospect pipeline to do so.

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23 hours ago, Gawdzukes said:

Cleary our best goal scorer, one of the best in the game actually (top 20 last year). and trending upwards while filling in an all around game. Hands down our best player last year imo. I don't see how he's not worth $7.5+ unfortunately. I would say we're 95% keeping him.

EP is our best scorer if not tied with Boeser.  EP is more versatile and more defensively sound.  If we pay Boeser $7.5M, how much do we pay EP (keeping in mind you can't pay every player top dollar)?  Then what about Bo, Hog and the rest of them?!!!

 

I'm not saying that Boeser wouldn't get this amount through a contract, but I am saying that for this team to contend, these guys need to play for a tad less than market value.

 

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9 hours ago, Conscience said:

Read the last few pages, people looking ahead and suspecting miller will be a cap causality. 

To be fair, assuming Podkolzin and Hoglander continue turning in to the players we're hoping they do, we won't have roster space/top 6 minutes available to keep a guy like Miller anyway. Eventually their play is going to dictate they earn those minutes... And somebody has to go to give them to them. And that somebody will likely be the older guy looking for a raise.

 

And it's just the reality of becoming a good team in a cap league. Eventually you bleed off good players. Happens to every good team... That's how we got Miller in the first place.

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9 hours ago, Conscience said:

Read the last few pages, people looking ahead and suspecting miller will be a cap causality. 

Miller didn't have a great season last year, but I see him still as one of our top 4 players.  People here are quick to target him for a trade but I don't see this team being successful in the playoffs without him.  Podz may one day be at Miller's level, but that may be a while and why not have both if you can for the next couple of years?  

 

Signing EP and QH (and then BB) for team-friendly contracts will be critical if we want a contender. 

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3 minutes ago, NHL97OneTimer said:

EP is our best scorer if not tied with Boeser.  EP is more versatile and more defensively sound.  If we pay Boeser $7.5M, how much do we pay EP (keeping in mind you can't pay every player top dollar)?  Then what about Bo, Hog and the rest of them?!!!

 

I'm not saying that Boeser wouldn't get this amount through a contract, but I am saying that for this team to contend, these guys need to play for a tad less than market value.

 

Boeser will be on his third deal including more expensive, UFA years. Pettersson is only on his second deal (assuming a bridge) likely only including cheaper, RFA years.

 

These things aren't the same.

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4 minutes ago, NHL97OneTimer said:

Miller didn't have a great season last year, but I see him still as one of our top 4 players.  People here are quick to target him for a trade but I don't see this team being successful in the playoffs without him.  Podz may one day be at Miller's level, but that may be a while and why not have both if you can for the next couple of years?  

 

Signing EP and QH (and then BB) for team-friendly contracts will be critical if we want a contender. 

I think it is more a matter of his age and cap hit, with the cap likely staying flat, there are going to be some raises going out to Boeser and Bo over the next couple years, second contract for Hoglander etc. His is the only contract expiring in that time. 
He also plays the most easily replaceable position at wing.

It is that or give up another first rounder to try to convince someone to take Myers. 

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