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2 hours ago, knucklehead91 said:

Worst division went to the finals lol? What does that say about the conference? If you want to describe the Canucks as one of the worst teams in the league based on last season, you can just head on over to the Maple Leafs forums and hangout with those guys.


What do you base your analysis off of? What makes Vancouver one of the worst teams? Please tell me more than just the overall standings, because if all you have to point at is the standings, you arent much of a fan or a follower of the team and you are more of a bandwagoner. ‘The team is winning, they are good, I better hop on!! Hmm…. The team is kinda struggling, this team sucks’ 

 

The standings did not and do not tell the whole story of how the season went. Its a lazy and lame ass way to label a team based on where they finished.

Dallas - SCF in 2019-20….

Dallas - Late start to the season due to COVID - somewhat tough scheduling, No Seguin… No playoffs.

Vancouver - 2nd round Game 7 2019-20

Vancouver - harshest scheduling in the entire league (not a conspiracy, just how COVID effected the scheudule) - COVID, No Pettersson… No playoffs.

 

2 teams with 3 things in common and its the same result. No other team had the same hurdles.
 

Injuries and tough scheduling at some point in the season are hurdles all teams go through. COVID is not a hurdle all teams go through or went through

 

 

Vancouver is not and was not a garbage team, they had an extremely difficult season. Get that through your head and recognize the difference between a garbage team and a horrendously unlucky season. 

 

2 hours ago, tas said:

I stopped reading 2 paragraphs in because you're confusing your tenses.

 

I don't think the canucks are one of the worst teams in the league (neither does jack hughes). having said that. the canucks, factually, were one of the worst teams in the league last year, regardless of circumstances, and that's what jack hughes (and I) said. 

This whole back and forth regarding Jack's comments are pretty amusing. What do people expect here? Do they think he's supposed to claim we're one of the better teams in the league and say his brother deserves less because he really is terrible. Holy, how about using a shred of common sense and a grain of salt. Lol, our fans are getting worse than tense over this! :picard:

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29 minutes ago, combover said:


Jb went all in this summer trading more first rders away to put a win now team together.

He has no choice he can’t afford not to have both hughes and ep in the line up this club won’t win without the..they are the teams best two players.

 

it would be a disaster for JB to start the season if one or both is not in the line up. He hung onto to his job by a thread could you imagine no ep no hughes some think I’m harsh wait till fans are back in the arena I’m sure the masses  will be kind and understanding.  ( didn’t a plane with a banner get hired)  
You think people are paying to see Pearson or poolman.a Combined 5+ mill. Yup they are depth yes we need players like this and yes in September these types of players can be found CHEAP and usually on one year deals. 
this teams been terrible players don’t usually take less money to join/stay with a team that doesn’t win. 


Do you really disagree? 

blame players for not maximizing their earnings they didn’t set the market value gms did. 

In eight years 9 mill for ep could be a bargain. 
he’s a 22 year old point per game top line Center,  he sell tickets and merchandise he want to win. 
I rather see them take a chance on a 22 year old super star that giving out 6 years to 30 year old has beens. 

 

 

 



 




 

9mill for EP... where have you heard that? 
Why not just give them 11M or whatever they demand, and fill the rest of the team with plugs??

Benning is trying to build a team.

Slagging off Poolmans 2.5M ( have you ever seen him play) and Pearson, who gave Bo some stability, and will be a very good 3rd liner, should he end up there... is a weird way of going about the business. How long are you prepared to wait for us to compete?


They may acually be willing to give EP 9M but surely they wanna see QH with stronger  defensive numbers before they give him anywhere near that. 

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1 minute ago, Gawdzukes said:

 

This whole back and forth regarding Jack's comments are pretty amusing. What do people expect here? Do they think he's supposed to claim we're one of the better teams in the league and say his brother deserves less because he really is terrible. Holy, how about using a shred of common sense and a grain of salt. Lol, our fans are getting worse than tense over this! :picard:

I dont care as much about Jack’s comments as I do comments from our own fan base. I said F U to Jack, I am more disgusted with “fans”for saying this team was one of the worst teams. To follow this team and call them the worst team in the league and completely dismiss what this team went through, as a team is downright ignorant. The boys went through absolute hell and I will not stand for anyone bashing this team as a fan after what they went through. They finished low, but they were a lot better than what the standings if it wasnt for COVID.

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3 minutes ago, knucklehead91 said:

I dont care as much about Jack’s comments as I do comments from our own fan base. I said F U to Jack, I am more disgusted with “fans”for saying this team was one of the worst teams. To follow this team and call them the worst team in the league and completely dismiss what this team went through, as a team is downright ignorant. The boys went through absolute hell and I will not stand for anyone bashing this team as a fan after what they went through. They finished low, but they were a lot better than what the standings if it wasnt for COVID.

If QH and EP don't upset the apple cart before or during preseason, this team has a great shot of doing something this year.  Benning said the team is 2 years away from contending but I think they will be a strong team this year.  

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33 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said:

 

This whole back and forth regarding Jack's comments are pretty amusing. What do people expect here? Do they think he's supposed to claim we're one of the better teams in the league and say his brother deserves less because he really is terrible. Holy, how about using a shred of common sense and a grain of salt. Lol, our fans are getting worse than tense over this! :picard:

Question:  "Quinn in Vancouver is waiting on a deal and don't worry, I'm not gonna ask for the inside track no matter how many Canucks fans tune in to the show I will leave that alone...but does seeing what he's going through right now make you think about your own extension?  Or can you just focus on hockey right now?"

 

Answer:  "Yeah, just for me I think I'm just gonna focus on the game let that, let my playing do the talking...um, see how the year goes but you know Quinn he's deserved the money, he should get  uh you know he's had two pretty good years.  I know last year people were talking about his defense and his dashes but you know, when you play on one of the worst teams in the division and in the league um, that's bound to happen.  Uh, I think he's just waiting now ... I know he loves Vancouver and he wants to play there but the number has to be right so, uh we'll see when that gets done"

 

Didn't say anything in response to the question of his extension.  So is that not applicable to Quinn, too?  That his "play can do the talking"?  Little brother doesn't really need to explain for him. 

 

Anyone...blaming a team for a  personal lack of success sounds like excuses to me.  Good players make those around them better.

 

Love Quinn, but this attitude of entitlement for me is something new.  I like the bring your work boots and pay your dues players.   Happy to be here stuff.  How do teammates feel hearing this garbage?  We have some bright and upcoming stars in the line up....most would be quite thrilled at the prospect of joining them.  The team seemed to have fun in the playoff bubble...so were they the worst then, too?  Or just when COVID and the brutal schedule and Petey being out hit?  

 

I want guys who speak for themselves and, right now, the silence is deafening. 

I'm growing a little disenchanted.  This is a big distraction and this team really doesn't need to start on that footing.  

 

 

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3 minutes ago, -DLC- said:

Over all this Petey/Quinn stuff...it's dragging me down.  

 

So I go lie down, turn on the TV and start watching The Voice.

 

First contestant I see....a guy doing Elvis named...Petey.  I give up.

We aren't talking about guys that "need" 80 million dollars to put food on the table.  That's what pisses me off. 

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6 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said:

 

This whole back and forth regarding Jack's comments are pretty amusing. What do people expect here? Do they think he's supposed to claim we're one of the better teams in the league and say his brother deserves less because he really is terrible. Holy, how about using a shred of common sense and a grain of salt. Lol, our fans are getting worse than tense over this! :picard:


I think Jack can say anything he wants about his brother and the team he plays for. Nothing wrong with him talking smack and also nothing wrong with Vancouver fans giving it back to him. I don’t really understand Van fans thinking it’s fine for Jack but if we have fun clapping back at him we are somehow tense. If somebody says to my wife that her husband is ugly I like to think that her reply would be better than “well statistically speaking I can’t argue with you.”
 

Calling Vancouver one of the worst teams in the league when his team was worse certainly entitles us to return fire. Not much else to do right now.

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9 minutes ago, spook007 said:

9mill for EP... where have you heard that? 
Why not just give them 11M or whatever they demand, and fill the rest of the team with plugs??

Benning is trying to build a team.

Slagging off Poolmans 2.5M ( have you ever seen him play) and Pearson, who gave Bo some stability, and will be a very good 3rd liner, should he end up there... is a weird way of going about the business. How long are you prepared to wait for us to compete?


They may acually be willing to give EP 9M but surely they wanna see QH with stronger  defensive numbers before they give him anywhere near that. 

I heard the ask is for more than $9M.

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11 minutes ago, 4petesake said:


I think Jack can say anything he wants about his brother and the team he plays for. Nothing wrong with him talking smack and also nothing wrong with Vancouver fans giving it back to him. I don’t really understand Van fans thinking it’s fine for Jack but if we have fun clapping back at him we are somehow tense. If somebody says to my wife that her husband is ugly I like to think that her reply would be better than “well statistically speaking I can’t argue with you.”
 

Calling Vancouver one of the worst teams in the league when his team was worse certainly entitles us to return fire. Not much else to do right now.

People love to carry around that narrative about Vancouver fans.  I'm proud of who I am and how I represent my team....no fair weather, sitting on the fence.  I live and die by this team and if others don't, that's their deal and ok too.  But it doesn't make my way wrong.  I invest a lot of time, energy, $$ into this team.  And I offer NO apologies for how I do it.

 

I push back when people slag the team and that won't change any time soon.  I also don't like if the conversations in Michigan are rooted in "worst team" talk.  Sure, NJ for the cup...whatever.

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1 hour ago, tas said:

2nd year player 2nd year player 2nd year player. 

What is your point? Other than Hughes being a 2nd year player, of course. I think we were all aware of that.

 

He was a 2nd year player that continued to produce offensively but struggled defensively. He should get paid accordingly.

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14 minutes ago, 4petesake said:

Calling Vancouver one of the worst teams in the league when his team was worse certainly entitles us to return fire. Not much else to do right now.

Well, he isn't wrong. This team was in complete disarray last season and had something like the 4th or 5th worst goal differential. 

 

...but you certainly aren't wrong about the glass houses point either.

 

Whilenit would be classy for the guys to take a bit of a discount to help build the kind of winning team they want, I am perfectly fine with us paying what these guys are worth. 

 

I'm just not cool with paying them *more* than they're worth. Some of the comparables I've heard named and some recent absurd contracts for top players really make it challenging to get what most of us would consider fair value.

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3 minutes ago, kloubek said:

Well, he isn't wrong. This team was in complete disarray last season and had something like the 4th or 5th worst goal differential. 

 

...but you certainly aren't wrong about the glass houses point either...

1.  Brutal (worst schedule in the league) - check it out, it wasn't pretty

2.  JUST as it was about to ease up a bit and level off, COVID hit (hard)

3.  Petey was out/injured

 


If we're going to offer excuses (reasons) for individual performances I think it's only fair to accept excuses (reasons) for the team's performance.   

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5 minutes ago, -DLC- said:

If we're going to offer excuses (reasons) for individual performances I think it's only fair to accept excuses (reasons) for the team's performance.   

Oh, I'm not at all claiming there weren't reasons for last year's downfall. 

 

I believe in this team. Last year was a mulligan. I think the continuation of the rebuild we've seen this offseason is going to pay immediate dividends.

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3 minutes ago, kloubek said:

Oh, I'm not at all claiming there weren't reasons for last year's downfall. 

 

I believe in this team. Last year was a mulligan. I think the continuation of the rebuild we've seen this offseason is going to pay immediate dividends.

I'm glad you see it realistically.  Last year really was nothing to gauge the team on.  

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