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49 minutes ago, combover said:

Are people really upset because his brother stated the obvious .hahahaha. 
to funny the easily offended shockingly easily offended by being told one of the worst team last year was one of the worst teams.  
kid was asked a question he answered it honestly. I guess he wasn’t  told Vancouver fans don’t like the truth  and have skin as thin as a Chinese food take out bag after the chicken balls have been in it. 

so now we need to get rid of a franchise dman because his brother said one of the worst teams was one of the worst teams.

 

The truth is we had a bad season, but if there are "reasons" Quinn struggled (because of the worst team) you also have to accept the "reasons" that the team struggled.

 

Truth:  schedule was AWFUL and NO other team had to endure what this team did.

Truth:  when the schedule was set to ease up, COVID hit.  HARD.

Truth:  Petey was out and that's our top scorer.  Duh.

 

No laughing matter unless this is a clown show that doesn't really accept facts as truth.

 

Another "truth" from the take out bag:  we did pretty well in the playoffs the year before.  But sure, let's glance over that part because it can't be trolled.

 

Vancouver fans have taken enough of this garbage.  Personally, I'm not really upset...but it's time to focus on the excitement of the coming year so we can shut all the haters (trolls) up.  Truth:  I'd rather be a fan of this garbage team than not know where I belong.

Also:  Jack should probably focus on his team.  Last I heard they were closer to the bottom than this team.  He was asked a question about HIS extension but managed to avoid that.  Trying to get some leverage for his brother's deal by throwing his team under the bus.  Not cool.  Maybe he's already lining up HIS extension by offering excuses for not helping his team improve.  Because that's what top players do....they make a team better.  

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21 minutes ago, shiznak said:

Hypothetically speaking, if both Hughes and Petey don’t sign by the end of October, and the team has a winning record. Do we go into the territory of thinking about trading both players?

 

 

To me a strong two-way showing by either or both of Rathbone and OJ puts to question the worth of Hughes overall. The assets coming back especially a guy like Ekblad (not saying it’s a given) would make me pull the trigger 

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23 minutes ago, shiznak said:

Hypothetically speaking, if both Hughes and Petey don’t sign by the end of October, and the team has a winning record. Do we go into the territory of thinking about trading both players?

 

 

I'd hope he's already in that territory.

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1 minute ago, qwijibo said:

Lol ok. So you’ve full on turned on Quinn because of something his brother said.  That’s not a total overreaction or anything  

That’s what CDC is famous for!

 

People either weren’t fans or have very short memories here. The same belly aching was done with Brock and Bo too.

 

Some fans are so quick to turn on players. Makes you wonder if they’re even fans.

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19 minutes ago, shiznak said:

Hypothetically speaking, if both Hughes and Petey don’t sign by the end of October, and the team has a winning record. Do we go into the territory of thinking about trading both players?

 

 

I don’t think we trade either, but OEL and Miller (playing centre) we can survive without them for a while.  I’m sure Quinn and Petey are hyper competitive though, and watching the guys play (and struggle) without them will be impossible to take.  They will tell their agent to get deals done if it came to that, because it’s incredibly difficult (for players who know they’re difference makers) to be on the sideline. 

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43 minutes ago, shiznak said:

Hypothetically speaking, if both Hughes and Petey don’t sign by the end of October, and the team has a winning record. Do we go into the territory of thinking about trading both players?

 

 

If they are still holding out when the team is actually playing meaningful games then yes, you have to start considering moving them. Even if they aren't winning. 

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2 minutes ago, McBackup said:

If they are still holding out when the team is actually playing meaningful games then yes, you have to start considering moving them. Even if they aren't winning. 

who's going to trade you any asset for a player that they don't even know if they'll sign with you or not? unless there's an agreement they are going to sign no one will give you anything of significant. it's not like you can say well i'll dump him to buffalo or wherever bottom feeding team for so and so and see how he likes that. 

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17 hours ago, knucklehead91 said:

Yea Vancouver finished low in the standings… but do you really believe thats how “good” our team is? We missed playoffs by 9 points with all the hurdles and crap we had to go through, which I am aware every team has hurdles such as injuries and scheduling… but COVID??? No one else, other than Dallas had a similar situation to our season and Dallas also missed the playoffs after being in the SCF. Vancouver was better than where they finished, it wasn’t a fluke we went 36-27-3 the season prior and we EARNED a playoff berth by winning a play-in round and then beat the defending champs in 6 games and took VGK to 7. Sure we were outmatched by VGK, but we had a great run and it was a ton of fun to watch and that is more the type of team we are, fun and exciting. Not an absolute disaster, which is what this season turned out to be after a rough start (most games played in the first 30 days) didnt have a practice until after our 13th game, new players trying to learn a new system on the fly, rather than repitition and then we get hit with the the loss of our best player for the season, decimated by COVID and then thrown back to the wolves after being sick and still not fully recovered. The team was getting on a roll prior to COVID and after returning from COVID we looked brutally slow and were a step behind until the end of the season.

 

It pisses me off when people crap on the Canucks for last season when they went through absolute hell with COVID and people just look at the standings and say they sucked without taking into consideration what happened that season and how many more hurdles we had come our way that we kept having to maneuver by. It was too much for a team to combine the harshest scheduling, plus the loss of a star player as well as other injuries and then to top it off, have a virus run rampant through the dressing room and wipe the team out and then be forced back into action when they werent ready and JT Miller stood up and said f*** that and the league only took it into consideration slightly and extended it a couple more days. 

I refuse to believe or accept this team was as good as where they finished. They were a better team and now with Garland, Dickinson, OEL and Podkolzin, we are an even better team. So ya f*** anyone who said the canucks were a crap team and f*** Jack Hughes

You can defend the team, I just think it’s a little confusing because as Jack defends his brother saying that he was on a bad team last year and that he’s better than what he showed…

 

You mentioned the name himself, that’s been the story for everyone here about OEL since he was acquired. 
 

I don’t see where either party’s wrong there 

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1 hour ago, kloubek said:

I can't help but tend to believe this delay is thanks to the representation. The amount of remaining cap is finite, and since Petey and Quinn have the same agent, it's really just finding how the two split that remaining pie. This should be relatively easy in the scope of negotiations.

 

I would like to believe it's not the players stomping their feet and demanding more money than this team can afford. I'd like to think they'd have a classier attitude towards their first full contract, knowing they will get paid even more handsomely just a few years later. And I'd like to think  given recent comments about a desire to win, that they'd be willing to help the team build a contender by being reasonable and that they want to get on the ice with their teammates asap.

Who signed the agent?

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25 minutes ago, qwijibo said:

Lol ok. So you’ve full on turned on Quinn because of something his brother said.  That’s not a total overreaction or anything  

I have not turned on him but his brother has weakened his position in my mind because he’s planted a negative seed.

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2 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

 it's not like you can say well i'll dump him to buffalo or wherever bottom feeding team for so and so and see how he likes that. 

Thats not at all whats being discussed. Nobody is saying if they aren't here at the start of the season move them for a 2069 7th rounder each. I'm saying if they aren't you have to start considering what you would get in a move for them.

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9 hours ago, knucklehead91 said:

100% this team is going to be exciting to watch. I feel confident about the roster we have and that we can be a playoff team and make some noise. Our window is just opening and I think with just a little bit more experience playing at the NHL level to go with all the talent, heart and perseverance this club has… we are going to be headed for a great run. If you look at some of the usual contenders, they are pretty old… we are closing in on the careers of Ovechkin, Backstrom, Malkin, Crosby, Bergeron, we are only a handful of years away from seeing some of the most dominant players the last 15 years, call it a career. While teams like Boston, Washington, Pittsburgh are all past their best before dates and are heading towards an inevitable retool/rebuild, Vancouver is on the ascension. Teams like Vegas, Nashville, Dallas, St. Louis, New York Islanders, Winnipeg are all kinda hitting that plateau and are going to start regressing…  They have a few young guys on those teams, but they have quite a few 28+ guys. I feel like Vancouver is on the climb at the right time and if teams like Toronto and Edmonton cant build a team around 2-3 players taking up 10+mil, their window to win will be very short and they may very well see a big start moved out of town to help afford building an actual team and not a one or two man show. Its all about timing… and I feel like this is good timing for us. I think Colorado, Florida and Carolina are going to be challenging teams as our window really begins, luckily for us our window is opening later than those teams. Our peak will be shortly after those top teams plateau… there will be some other teams on our heels, but they will have to go through some growing pains and get some experience under their belts just like we are starting to do.

 

I think we can all agree that Vancouver is better than

SJS

LAK

ANA

ARI

DET

BUF - on paper they should be much better

CBJ

NJD

OTT - Gunna be a sick team in a couple years

CHI

MTL

NYR 

CGY

PHI

MIN - I feel like last year was a fluke for them getting into the playoffs based on the division they were in. Kaprizov is sick, but I feel they aren’t quite there yet.

 

Teams who are heading down the hill

BOS

WSH

PIT

 

Teams whos window is closing in the next couple years

TBL

VGK

DAL

NSH

WPG

STL

NYI

 

Teams whos window is open but not convincing

TOR

EDM

These 2 teams are relying far too much on star power and not a team game. As we saw with McDavid in the WPG series, they played the living crap out of him in that 4th and final game and he could hardly skate in the overtimes, he was played a ridiculous amount. As for TO they have failed every year to win the big games and its been due to depth.

 

Teams whos window is open and will be for a few years

COL

FLA

CAR

 

TBD 

SEA

 

Vancouvers window has just begun to open.

 

Thats my take and how i see the future and the way I personally view the way its trending in the league and I think we are going to hit our peak at the right time.

 

 

 

 

I wouldn't rush to judgements on these teams. The following all have chances to have a good year and possibly be better than us.

 

LAK

NJD

OTT - Gunna be a sick team in a couple years

CHI

MTL

NYR 

CGY

PHI

MIN

 

Good post though. Lots of reason for optimism.

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10 hours ago, -DLC- said:

I heard the ask is for more than $9M.

It was more due to the cherry picking from Combover...

Its all very nice and easy to say, you should pay the the stars first, and then the rest later, but there may not be anyone you like later.

And more importantly, even the best players have to be kept within a certain price range... 

 

 

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