DeNiro Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, EddieVedder said: Hell no should we even consider anything close to 8 yrs for Hughes. Agreed. I’d be more comfortable with him on a 3 year deal around 6. Let him show he can command 7-8 million dollars a season. That type of money should be reserved for d men that can put up elite numbers at both ends. Edited June 16, 2021 by DeNiro 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where's Wellwood Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 47 minutes ago, fanfor42 said: Friedman says Quinn will sign longer term than Petey. Others confirm this is likely. Petey is relatively easy. Direct comparison is Makar who signed 3x7M. Given Petey has slightly less numbers years 1 and 2 and had an injury last year that dramatically curtailed his performance, it is reasonable to conclude that he won't be more than 7m and may well be 6.5m x 3 which is my guess. Hughes by most reports is going to do a long term deal apparently and I guess it is 7M x 5 or as much as 7.5M x 8. Do you mean Barzal, not Makar? Makar hasn't signed a new contract yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 41 minutes ago, DeNiro said: I’d rather do the opposite and lock in Petey long term and Quinn on the shorter deal. Hughes has gotta show he’s more than just an offensive defenseman before I feel comfortable locking him in for 8 years. If he’s our number 1 that we’re paying a big portion of the cap to he’s gotta be able to play well at both ends of the ice. Exactly how I feel. No way should they be locking Hughes up to a long term, big dollar contract at this point. The fact he is looking to cash in more on Hughes than EP right now tells you which he thinks is more likely to not earnabig raise on their next deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustABandwagoner Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 3 years is perfect for Hughes. Doesnt walk him to UFA. If u do 4 = UFA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 I think EP is the guy you try to get at s decent long term cap hit. Bridge for Hughes. He is an offensive/pp specialist at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted June 16, 2021 Author Share Posted June 16, 2021 11 minutes ago, DontMessMe said: 3 years is perfect for Hughes. Doesnt walk him to UFA. If u do 4 = UFA Nah 4 years hes still a RFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanfor42 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 32 minutes ago, EddieVedder said: Which reports are these you speak of? Friedman and Dhaliwal say long term deal is likely. I have given my guess as to what it looks like. But the narrative seems to have changed from both Petey and Hughes doing bridges to Petey doing a bridge but Hughes doing longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanfor42 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 27 minutes ago, Where's Wellwood said: Do you mean Barzal, not Makar? Makar hasn't signed a new contract yet Yes thx. Barzal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrow 1983 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 8 hours ago, Fanuck said: ^ very interesting revelation - shorter term for EP and longer for Huggy. Wonder what the rationale for that would be? It comes down to comparables and Hughes Comparables have longer term JP Barry said this. A longer term deal for Hughes would bring his cap Hit lower. He has no negotiating rights so he could say sign me 1 year at 4 mill and then want big dollars next season. But if the Canucks have that 4 mill in a longer term deal that brings his cap value down. I expect somewhere like a 4-6 year deal for Hughes where he makes 4-5 mill next season and the last year he gets 8-9mill with the mid years that average his contract Cap hit between 6-7 mill. Ott screwed the market when they signed Chabot at 8mill for 8 years but Hughes doesn't have the same Negotiating rights as Chabot did so I see him coming in less Hughes is also younger than when Chabot signed. Honestly because he is younger I would argue his best bet is to sign a 3 year contract 5 mill this year 6 next year and 7 for the last for a cap hit of 6.5 mill and than go for the 8 year big dollar contract like 9-11 mill per season one. For EP his contract will look more like 3 @ something all three years that's what most of his comparables look like. Keeping that Number between 6.5-7mill will be best for the team IMO. But I do have a feeling it could be 3 @ 7mill like Barzel. But I hope it is more like Points 3 @ 6.75mill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrow 1983 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 1 hour ago, DeNiro said: Agreed. I’d be more comfortable with him on a 3 year deal around 6. Let him show he can command 7-8 million dollars a season. That type of money should be reserved for d men that can put up elite numbers at both ends. How about 8 years where the cap hit is 7 mill per season. Next year his actual salary could be 4-5 mill and each year it rises till it averages 7 mill so the last year or two of an 8 year contract his actual salary is like 9 mill Plus read my post just above for a little more clarity why his contract could be structured like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrow 1983 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 55 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said: I think EP is the guy you try to get at s decent long term cap hit. Bridge for Hughes. He is an offensive/pp specialist at this point. The camparables don't argue your point. JP Barry just said this on the chek show Donny and Dhali. read above post of mine for explanation as to why Hughes is a better candidate for a long term deal rather than EP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 1 hour ago, EddieVedder said: Barzal is a legit franchise player and he is getting better, which is scary. But a healthy Petey i would probably put close to on par with him. Maybe 6 mill. I love Petey, but he's not in Barzal territory yet. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrow 1983 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 I have been searching for a Hughes comparable but am having a hard time with it. I explained above why he isn't comparable to Chabot. I look at other guys but they didn't post the same number like Hughes. I looked at Sergachev he is 3 @ 4.8 but only had 1 season comparable to Hughes his first and than declined. He is not TBL #1 dman and his numbers declined after his first season. The closes comparable Hughes has is Makar and he is RFA this season so no number to compare yet. Furthermore, Maker has a better Defensive game and therefore, garner more as a RFA. Maker also has negotiation rights unlike Hughes. Can anyone find me a comparable for Hughes please. I looked at McAvoy but Hughes has far better numbers. McAvory got 3 years at 4.9mill My conclusion is if Maker gets a Chabot like deal 8@ 8mill and guys like McAvory and Sergachev get 3@ 4.8-4.9 mill. I could see Hughes at 3 year and 6-6.5mill or 4-5 years 6.5-7mill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrow 1983 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 12 minutes ago, stawns said: I love Petey, but he's not in Barzal territory yet. Barzel wasn't payed for what he did in this Playoffs but what he did in the first 3 years. He is currently playing his 1st year of his deal this year. So this year doesn't count. You have to think of it in those terms. Forget about what Barzel did this year all together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrow 1983 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, stawns said: I love Petey, but he's not in Barzal territory yet. Petey and Barzel are on par with one another easily Based on points and what they did in the playoffs when they made it Edited June 16, 2021 by Arrow 1983 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrow 1983 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 20 minutes ago, stawns said: I love Petey, but he's not in Barzal territory yet. Plus I would point out most would probably argue Barzel is now underpaid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV. Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Lol we can't even afford to sign these guys to deals. Not like, and a few others, predicted this though. Oh wait... [You know what goes here] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted June 16, 2021 Author Share Posted June 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, AV. said: Lol we can't even afford to sign these guys to deals. Not like, and a few others, predicted this though. Oh wait... [You know what goes here] IMG_3509.MOV 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 29 minutes ago, Arrow 1983 said: Petey and Barzel are on par with one another easily Based on points and what they did in the playoffs when they made it no way, I love Petey, but he's got a ways togo before he's on par with Barzal. He will likely get there, but he'snot there yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 2 hours ago, DontMessMe said: 3 years is perfect for Hughes. Doesnt walk him to UFA. If u do 4 = UFA 5 years to UFA for Hughes. It’s Pettersson that is 4 years to UFA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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