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1 hour ago, thrago said:

The thing that drives me nuts about this situation is that EP and QH said they wanted to play for competitive teams and sign fair deals.  So Benning took that to heart went out Made the team a whole lot more competitive while clearing enough cap space to give them Fair deals. Yet here we are and they still haven't signed on the dotted line.  It's really hard for me as a regular Joe and fan of the team to understand where the problem is.  What more do they want exactly?

They want the cake and eat it...

I'm feeling exactly like this.... They want to win, but they want big numbers and/or want to be able to walk at the first oppotunity...

Lets hope it ends well....

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5 minutes ago, spook007 said:

They want the cake and eat it...

I'm feeling exactly like this.... They want to win, but they want big numbers and/or want to be able to walk at the first oppotunity...

Someone explain to me how this is buying into a team and winning?

Maybe its just us, but wonder how their team mates feels... 

If they all think this is the way forward, I doubt we ever see any progress here in Vancouver. 

Pettersson's comments in August really set off some alarm bells for me. Everyone downplayed it as "of course he wants to win why are you overthinking it?" 

 

Its not the 'wanting to win' comments (though I'm very interested in the number he signs at now that he's said that).

 

Its the fact that when asked about his current contract negotiations, he without prompt started talking about the one after it, with an attitude of "who knows if that will be in Vancouver". If that doesn't scream 'I'm eyeballing other destinations' I don't know what does. 

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31 minutes ago, Devron44 said:

Don’t let the media and this hold out fuel you, for all we know JB may be trying to get them to sign 5 million dollar deals. JB is a rockstar with RFA’s. Can we just reserve judgement until we see what happens here. 


Feel a lot of anger and tension from fans here. Let it do it’s thing then we will see where we’re at.

True... the tension is fuelled by the fact we could potentially have a team capable of big things, and the concern is. It goes pear shaped even before it starts. 

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1 hour ago, CanucksJay said:

here's a question

 

With the addition of Garland,OEL, Dickinson, Podz, Poolman

 

Another year of development for Hogz and Juolevi

 

Can the Canucks make the playoffs without Petterson and Hughes?

 

There's something that happens to a team when a star player and offensive dynamo like Pettersson is out. Teams come together and collectively try to make the difference by being tighter checking and stepping up to take advantage of more opportunities. This is called the Kyrie Irving effect, and it is well established. We even saw a glimpse of it when Petey was injured before our playoff run 2 years ago, although last year without Petey showed the exact opposite.

 

I believe we could make the playoffs with our team being much deeper, but going past the first or second round is a pipe dream without a difference maker like Petey & Hughes. The reason you need these types of players is to win games with one or two individual efforts when your team isn't collectively enough.

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1 minute ago, McBackup said:

Pettersson's comments in August really set off some alarm bells for me. Everyone downplayed it as "of course he wants to win why are you overthinking it?" 

 

Its not the 'wanting to win' comments (though I'm very interested in the number he signs at now that he's said that).

 

Its the fact that when asked about his current contract negotiations, he without prompt started talking about the one after it, with an attitude of "who knows if that will be in Vancouver". If that doesn't scream 'I'm eyeballing other destinations' I don't know what does. 

Yep, and its one of the reasons folks show real concerns and worries. 
I'm sure they'll get something done, but if doesn't scream loyalty...

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21 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said:

They have the ability to say yes or no to a proposed deal, but the agents are the ones actively negotiating.

 

If you were in their position, you'd be asking for what you felt is reasonable as well.

No question. 
 

And I think it’s reasonable for these two to factor in things besides just how much $$ they’ll pocket at the end of the day. 
 

Things like: 

 

- A flat cap world 

- What their contracts will mean for the future of the team. 
- The fact that their both coming off of down years and their only negotiating power actually hurts the rest of the club. 
- Still being Restricted and realizing even bigger pay days are ahead of they can get a “reasonable” contract and play up to it without question. 
- Maybe even, if they were feeling especially benevolent… the teams current cap space as we try to turn a corner from last year. 
 

No one wins as this drags out but 40 and 43 are missing an opportunity to endear themselves to this fan base (for long after JB’s gone) and show themselves as true leaders on the club. 
 

IMO

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1 minute ago, Deets said:

There's something that happens to a team when a star player and offensive dynamo like Pettersson is out. Teams come together and collectively try to make the difference by being tighter checking and stepping up to take advantage of more opportunities. This is called the Kyrie Irving effect, and it is well established. We even saw a glimpse of it when Petey was injured before our playoff run 2 years ago, although last year without Petey showed the exact opposite.

 

I believe we could make the playoffs with our team being much deeper, but going past the first or second round is a pipe dream without a difference maker like Petey & Hughes. The reason you need these types of players is to win games with one or two individual efforts when your team isn't collectively enough.

I think that a lot of players already had their minds made up on how well we were going to do last year before the season started.  What I mean by that is a lot of the players were disappointed in the offseason moves and subconsciously didn't do anything to try and change how they expected it to go.  Not sure I explained that very well but I think I got the gist of it out.  

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2 hours ago, spook007 said:

If Loui nhad been putting the puck into the net more frequently, nobody would have been complaining. He was still a good defensive forward, just not 6M good....

The little things was the defensive bits needed for Horvat to relax. 

Pearson doesn't give those bits to Horvat but this season Horvat will have good wingers. 

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1 hour ago, NUCKER67 said:

I have both Pettersson's and Hughes' jerseys, I really like both players a lot, such incredible talents, but if the price was right, the Canucks could get boatloads in returns.  

 

If Pettersson and Hughes want (guessing $8 and $9 each), what will they want when those contracts end?  $12 and 15? The Canucks won't be able to afford Boeser and maybe they struggle to re-sign other guys like Hoglander or Podkolzin.  I don't like how this is playing out for the team.

first off they'll never be asking for 12 and 15.. and 2nd if they were asking for 12 and 15 then it's a good problem to have that would suggest they are better than the likes of McDavid and every single defenseman in the league so that would put them perennial norris hart art ross winner right?

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14 minutes ago, McBackup said:

Pettersson's comments in August really set off some alarm bells for me. Everyone downplayed it as "of course he wants to win why are you overthinking it?" 

 

Its not the 'wanting to win' comments (though I'm very interested in the number he signs at now that he's said that).

 

Its the fact that when asked about his current contract negotiations, he without prompt started talking about the one after it, with an attitude of "who knows if that will be in Vancouver". If that doesn't scream 'I'm eyeballing other destinations' I don't know what does. 

I wouldn't let the alarm bells go off based off of one interview but yeah, it did raise an eyebrow.

 

Couple things bothered me a bit on top of what you wrote:

 

1. He didn't seem to realize that he's one of the guys that has to make us a winning team.

2. Regarding that he wants to win comment, like if winning is so important, he needs to take less. Is he implying that if playing for a contender, he will gladly accept less salary but because Canucks are a losing team, he shouldn't have to? 

 

I don't expect loyalty from a 22 year old who is just entering 4th season in the league but some of those comments are bothesome.

 

 

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I'm not sure if I'd have an agent that represents anyone else on my team.

If Agent Z gets a 3rd line forward an extra $300,000, does that not just take the potential of me getting that extra away?

Who is the agent working for, me or the other guy?

Conflict of interest, in a a cap world.

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9 minutes ago, khay said:

I wouldn't let the alarm bells go off based off of one interview but yeah, it did raise an eyebrow.

 

Couple things bothered me a bit on top of what you wrote:

 

1. He didn't seem to realize that he's one of the guys that has to make us a winning team.

2. Regarding that he wants to win comment, like if winning is so important, he needs to take less. Is he implying that if playing for a contender, he will gladly accept less salary but because Canucks are a losing team, he shouldn't have to? 

 

I don't expect loyalty from a 22 year old who is just entering 4th season in the league but some of those comments are bothesome.

 

 

Its just so weird though. You haven't even signed your second contract. Why are you bringing up your third, when nobody asked, and talking about how you don't know if it will be with Vancouver. Its completely unprovoked and out of left field. I don't think my initial Christmas analogy was accurate. It would be more like you and your spouse are talking with some mutual friends and they say "Have you finished Christmas shopping yet?" and your s/o respond with "No we haven't. Next Christmas though who knows what I'll get. I don't even know if we'll be together." 

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13 minutes ago, khay said:

I wouldn't let the alarm bells go off based off of one interview but yeah, it did raise an eyebrow.

 

Couple things bothered me a bit on top of what you wrote:

 

1. He didn't seem to realize that he's one of the guys that has to make us a winning team.

2. Regarding that he wants to win comment, like if winning is so important, he needs to take less. Is he implying that if playing for a contender, he will gladly accept less salary but because Canucks are a losing team, he shouldn't have to? 

 

I don't expect loyalty from a 22 year old who is just entering 4th season in the league but some of those comments are bothesome.

 

 

Chiming in here (despite my promising myself I was done with this)....

 

That's the alarm bell going off for me, too.  That both Quinn and Petey have talked about winning and losing teams like they want to join or leave one or the other.  But they're supposed to be deciding factors in those...especially if demanding the big bucks.   They're not supposed to "pick" a winner, they're supposed to help create a winner.

 

if the desire is to win, be a Burr and go out there every single game, every single shift and try to do that.  Prove that you can be the difference maker that you'll be paid as.

 

I give Petey some slack because English isn't his strong point (yet).  So things are lost in translation and I believe his work ethic, alone, shows that he's a guy who isn't just relying on a winning team but is doing everything in his power to create that.

 

The Hughes brothers are a bit of an anomaly - to have three boys in the same family with the promise and skillset that they do.  But it can't go to their heads and cashing in on that relies, heavily, on also proving it.  They've all yet to do that so can't get ahead of themselves just because they generate a lot of hype.  Results.  Production.  

 

Ego can be a curse and so it's important to keep things in check and not get ahead of yourself.  Guys put on a sweater at the draft and speak of being grateful to play in the league and it's important to retain some of that.  Younger players are developing a sense of entitlement in some instances and that skips over the paying your dues part.  You have to earn those contracts, not just demand them.

 

Money really is the root of all evil and can be blinding.  Play for that love of the game as the driving force.  Sure, the contract in this job is of the ultimate importance, but not if you lose focus.  Throwing a team under the bus screams desperate to me.  You don't have to do that...if a team is the worst with you (or your brother) on it, you own some of that.  

 

I am confident both will sign and help this team elevate to a new level.  If they're not excited about the pieces being added to the line up, they should be.  

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