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4 minutes ago, gurn said:

I'm not sure if I'd have an agent that represents anyone else on my team.

If Agent Z gets a 3rd line forward an extra $300,000, does that not just take the potential of me getting that extra away?

Who is the agent working for, me or the other guy?

Conflict of interest, in a a cap world.

GREAT point.

 

Divided loyalties.

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Everyone wanted Benning to draft superstars. So that’s what he did. What do you think superstars are going to do when they hire the top tier agents?

 

This whole ordeal was inevitable.  Lots of teams are going to have the same issues moving forward. If Petey and Quinn weren’t superstars then they would already be signed. We are talking about two of the most promising young players in the entire NHL. Every team in the league would love to have Petey and Quinn on their team. 
 

Remember the last superstar we had on the team?  Wasn’t there always an issue with Bure’s contract?  People think it was Pat Quinn’s fault but when you are dealing with a superstar even the best GM’s will have problems. 
 

We almost lost Bure after only 3 years. Eventually we did lose him. It’s not inconceivable that we lose Petey and Quinn as well. Nobody wants to hear that but unfortunately that is the cold hard truth. The NHL is a business. Playing just for the love of the game is pretty much gone in this day and age. 

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1 minute ago, McBackup said:

Its just so weird though. You haven't even signed your second contract. Why are you bringing up your third, when nobody asked, and talking about how you don't know if it will be with Vancouver. Its completely unprovoked and out of left field. I don't think my initial Christmas analogy was accurate. It would be more like you and your spouse are talking with some mutual friends and they say "Have you finished Christmas shopping yet?" and your s/o respond with "No we haven't. Next though Christmas who knows what I'll get. I don't even know if we'll be together." 

Good one.

 

A person that says this is either an extreme realist or a cynical person. I find Swedes to be generally nice people, but some of them do have that cold feel where they talk about everything from a 3rd person's point of view, even when they are talking about themselves.

 

Petey may just be saying, who knows what will happen. But I'm not arguing against you, I do agree that it was out of the left field and odd.

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3 minutes ago, -DLC- said:

Chiming in here (despite my promising myself I was done with this)....

 

That's the alarm bell going off for me, too.  That both Quinn and Petey have talked about winning and losing teams like they want to join or leave one or the other.  But they're supposed to be deciding factors in those...especially if demanding the big bucks.   They're not supposed to "pick" a winner, they're supposed to help create a winner.

 

if the desire is to win, be a Burr and go out there every single game, every single shift and try to do that.  Prove that you can be the difference maker that you'll be paid as.

 

I give Petey some slack because English isn't his strong point (yet).  So things are lost in translation and I believe his work ethic, alone, shows that he's a guy who isn't just relying on a winning team but is doing everything in his power to create that.

 

The Hughes brothers are a bit of an anomaly - to have three boys in the same family with the promise and skillset that they do.  But it can't go to their heads and cashing in on that relies, heavily, on also proving it.

 

I am confident both will sign and help this team elevate to a new level.  If they're not excited about the pieces being added to the line up, they should be.  

I believe the team will start winning starting this season and challenge for the cup. Petey and Hughes will be a big part of it and they will have so much fun in the process that they will want to be part of something special where they will be the center pieces. Like Kane and Toewes. They are still young and some of those comments are due to immaturity. 

 

Honestly, I don't know if Jack Hughes will be an elite player in this league. I haven't seen feistiness needed for a guy that size to succeed (something that Hoglander, Marchand, Garland, Gallagher, and etc all have). He will have to get it done on speed and skill but NHL is too good for that so he will need to bring an additional element, be it intelligence/creativity (i.e., Sedins) or grit/feistiness.

 

We will see how things turn out for Luke Hughes. Haven't seen him play much.

 

I think Quinn will be the best of the three bros and win a cup here before his bros.

 

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Jack Hughes has no leg to stand on in this discussion. He literally got picked 1st overall, meaning the team that picked him absolutely sucks. Since then, we've made it to game 7 of the west semis (after dethroning the defending stanley cup champions in convincing fashion), and he's done absolutely nothing. One of the biggest 1st OA busts in recent memory. Maybe he should focus on getting better, bigger, and keep his mouth shut. What a tool 

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2 hours ago, Jester13 said:

I don't see how it'll help Petey when he can just walk around Hughes' defence with ease :bigblush:

Maybe it'll get through how god damned awful he is. But I doubt it. He probably just ignores that part and blames his teammates.

 

Actually I should give him credit because as a smallish d he came in and proved he had some unique ways of getting the job done. However, he quickly abandoned that when push came to shove and turned into a glorified Pouliot. It was gross to watch him purposely shy away from playing defence, not covering his man, getting swatted around like a fly, leaving his man wide open out front over and over again, gambling continually knowing the puck is ending up in our net and basically giving up on every play and just trying to create offence. I sure don't want to sign this guy long term without seeing some serious improvement on the defensive side of the game.

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1 hour ago, TFerguson said:

No question. 
 

And I think it’s reasonable for these two to factor in things besides just how much $$ they’ll pocket at the end of the day. 
 

Things like: 

 

- A flat cap world 

- What their contracts will mean for the future of the team. 
- The fact that their both coming off of down years and their only negotiating power actually hurts the rest of the club. 
- Still being Restricted and realizing even bigger pay days are ahead of they can get a “reasonable” contract and play up to it without question. 
- Maybe even, if they were feeling especially benevolent… the teams current cap space as we try to turn a corner from last year. 
 

No one wins as this drags out but 40 and 43 are missing an opportunity to endear themselves to this fan base (for long after JB’s gone) and show themselves as true leaders on the club. 
 

IMO

Agreed.  Neither are showing the kind of leadership McKinnon has shown.  They say they want to win but then seem to be holding out for contracts that just may handcuff the team from doing just that.  

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14 minutes ago, gurn said:

I'm not sure if I'd have an agent that represents anyone else on my team.

If Agent Z gets a 3rd line forward an extra $300,000, does that not just take the potential of me getting that extra away?

Who is the agent working for, me or the other guy?

Conflict of interest, in a a cap world.

no not really.. i mean there's 20 players on the team.. most agency have 2-3 players on the same team they'll be taking money from the other players so in realty shouldn't affect you. especially when most of his clients are the mid/high end tier

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From the sounds of it, Petey and Hughes are forcing Benning's hand at trading one or two of their teammates so that those salaries can go to them. The only other possibility is that Benning is refusing to divvy up the remaining cap to them. I sense the former being true, as it sounds like they're asking for way more than what's being offered. 

 

This could get uglier.

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1 hour ago, TFerguson said:

No question. 
 

And I think it’s reasonable for these two to factor in things besides just how much $$ they’ll pocket at the end of the day. 
 

Things like: 

 

- A flat cap world 

- What their contracts will mean for the future of the team. 
- The fact that their both coming off of down years and their only negotiating power actually hurts the rest of the club. 
- Still being Restricted and realizing even bigger pay days are ahead of they can get a “reasonable” contract and play up to it without question. 
- Maybe even, if they were feeling especially benevolent… the teams current cap space as we try to turn a corner from last year. 
 

No one wins as this drags out but 40 and 43 are missing an opportunity to endear themselves to this fan base (for long after JB’s gone) and show themselves as true leaders on the club. 
 

IMO

Exactly, they are far better off, doing bridge deals right now and then negotiating their big contracts, once things loosen up in the league.

 

I think Pettersson is a far better overall player than Marner, but based on playoff performance, Marner disappears. His contract in terms of Pettersson's current ability is probably a fair comparison, but it was signed at a time when the Leafs were expecting the cap to continue to rise. I think a short term comparable is more in line with Tkachuk signed for his bridge.

 

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1 minute ago, stawns said:

I'd be perfectly fine if JB moved Hughes.  The return would be significant and it would be getting rid of what will be, imo, a continuing issue right to UFA.  

If Rathbone comes in and puts up decent numbers and plays solid in his defensive zone this year, it's not out of the realm of possibility,  

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2 minutes ago, wildwood12 said:

Jack Hughes should focus on his own bottom dwelling pathetic team, and not the Canucks. Jack Hughes is a disappointment as a 1st overall player

Maybe JH was using his brother as an example in a self serving way to take pressure off himself as his team sucks too.  

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1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Everyone wanted Benning to draft superstars. So that’s what he did. What do you think superstars are going to do when they hire the top tier agents?

 

This whole ordeal was inevitable.  Lots of teams are going to have the same issues moving forward. If Petey and Quinn weren’t superstars then they would already be signed. We are talking about two of the most promising young players in the entire NHL. Every team in the league would love to have Petey and Quinn on their team. 
 

Remember the last superstar we had on the team?  Wasn’t there always an issue with Bure’s contract?  People think it was Pat Quinn’s fault but when you are dealing with a superstar even the best GM’s will have problems. 
 

We almost lost Bure after only 3 years. Eventually we did lose him. It’s not inconceivable that we lose Petey and Quinn as well. Nobody wants to hear that but unfortunately that is the cold hard truth. The NHL is a business. Playing just for the love of the game is pretty much gone in this day and age. 

It was only a problem because the owner was close to being tapped out.  Quinn was instructed to keep a tight reign on payroll.  It's a situation that Benning has NEVER had to work under here.  A big problem back then when there was no cap.  

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