Elias Pettersson | Quinn Hughes - Contract Discussion Thread

[Maniwaki Canuck]

38 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said:

So, after reading the last few pages, I'm seeing all the same stuff from fans.

 

Both sides have been really tight lipped about the negotiations, there is nothing out there on what expectations are, except wild speculation from fans and the media.

 

Can we stop assuming what they are asking for when there is ZERO proof to back it up?

To me, this suggests that they might indeed be "close", as Benning claims.  A common scenario for leaks is that one side is trying to embarrass or pressure the other.  No matter how professional both sides may be, eventually they do start playing hardball and leaks are a part of that.

[Grape]

1 hour ago, EdgarM said:

I would be concerned that this team does not make the same mistakes that it has in the past where they were very loyal to some players and it turned out to bite them in the butt. What did the Sedins, Edler, Tanev or Markstrom do to help the team out after they were treated with years and years of loyalty? 

This is a business and a team, I am more interested in players signing here because they want to win a cup and they will do this at ALL COSTS! 

Sure we can pay them outrageous amounts of money but what does that leave the team to do to surround them with quality players? 

I say offer them a fair deal and if they refuse, then move on and bring in someone who will play for just a little less for the team to succeed. Really do they need 11 million instead of 10 Million per year? Really?

 

"What did the Sedins, Edler, Tanev or Markstrom do to help the team out after they were treated with years and years of loyalty?"

 

Unless I'm not understanding correctly, are you for real?

 

You're going to cite the SEDINS as examples as to why we shouldn't try to re-sign our two best players to the best of our abilities? And you're going to say that we were loyal to the two greatest players in our franchise history, as if not being loyal was the rational choice? THEY were the ones loyal to us!!!.

 

"I say offer them a fair deal and if they refuse, then move on and bring in someone who will play for just a little less for the team to succeed."

 

Who are we supposed to find that can just come in and replace Petey and Hughes? You don't just find two franchise level talents in the UFA market, and if you do, you're going to have to overpay massively, more so than the RFA market. You don't just draft two generational talents just to move them away once their rookie contracts are up. Sure, don't give in to their demands and play the waiting game, but are you serious? Move on just to show them who's tough? Trust me, we won't be better off without Petey and Hughes for a long time.

 

Is your point that we shouldn't have been so "loyal" to guys like the Sedins and Edler? 

 

Also, neither Petey nor Hughes are getting paid 10M nor 11M, you don't have to worry about that.

Edited September 24, 2021 by Grape

[-Vintage Canuck-]

 

[CanucksJay]

49 minutes ago, J-P said:

I love EP (QH as well of course!) but in the grand scheme of things the team and the chance to win is a bigger priority.

 

As many have stated, we don't really know what the holdup is, and speculating is futile. If I were to guess though, I'd say EP might be really hard on the term as he wants to control his destiny in a few years and might not have 100% trust in current management, while I don't think the money is really the issue long term or short term. That's understandable. I have a feeling what it will end up in is like 4 x 7 for EP and while I was against that earlier (as he'd be FA) it might not be the worst idea, kinda like a show me deal for  both parties.

What if they then do a 7x3 so that Canucks get RFA rights on Petey but if he doesn't like the direction of the team, he can go to arbitration after 3rd year and do a 1 year at 8m and then go to free agency? 

 

Gives both sides options no? 

[CRAZY_4_NAZZY]

 

last update of Petey and Huggy's contract situation from Dhali today.

[JM_]

4 minutes ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said:

 

last update of Petey and Huggy's contract situation from Dhali today.

that shirt 

[King Heffy]

1 hour ago, J-P said:

I love EP (QH as well of course!) but in the grand scheme of things the team and the chance to win is a bigger priority.

 

As many have stated, we don't really know what the holdup is, and speculating is futile. If I were to guess though, I'd say EP might be really hard on the term as he wants to control his destiny in a few years and might not have 100% trust in current management, while I don't think the money is really the issue long term or short term. That's understandable. I have a feeling what it will end up in is like 4 x 7 for EP and while I was against that earlier (as he'd be FA) it might not be the worst idea, kinda like a show me deal for  both parties.

Personally, I'd rather let him sit until he's willing to sign a contract that isn't 4 years.

[Dr. Crossbar]

2 minutes ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said:

 

last update of Petey and Huggy's contract situation from Dhali today.

What I get from this video is ...

 

You can say anything about what's happening 

as long as you qualify it with "it can change at any minute" or "one phone call can change it in a second."

 

Especially if you say it at least three times, it appears to sound more believable. 

[Smashian Kassian]

So one of the things that's stuck out for me is Drance saying there's an feeling amongst everyone that the deals for both guys can't be far apart from each other. So if Hughes won't agree to 8x8, then;

 

Hughes 3 x 6.75 - structured w/ 8M qualifying offer

 

Pettersson 3 x 7.25 - structured w/ 10M qualifying offer

 

 

[thrago]

1 hour ago, Baratheon said:

Over 200 pages of the same stuff haha

I don't even know why I keep clicking on this thread.

 

 

Haha yeah me too, but I guess we are Optimist hoping to hear some good news.

[Rob_Zepp]

I think Benning, Agent, Hughes and EP40 are in a Video chat room sharing CDC, eating popcorn and having a great laugh at all the angst and even further hilarity when media try to say they know what is going on.    

[EdgarM]

35 minutes ago, Grape said:

"What did the Sedins, Edler, Tanev or Markstrom do to help the team out after they were treated with years and years of loyalty?"

 

Unless I'm not understanding correctly, are you for real?

 

You're going to cite the SEDINS as examples as to why we shouldn't try to re-sign our two best players to the best of our abilities? And you're going to say that we were loyal to the two greatest players in our franchise history, as if not being loyal was the rational choice? THEY were the ones loyal to us!!!.

 

"I say offer them a fair deal and if they refuse, then move on and bring in someone who will play for just a little less for the team to succeed."

 

Who are we supposed to find that can just come in and replace Petey and Hughes? You don't just find two franchise level talents in the UFA market, and if you do, you're going to have to overpay massively, more so than the RFA market. You don't just draft two generational talents just to move them away once their rookie contracts are up. Sure, don't give in to their demands and play the waiting game, but are you serious? Move on just to show them who's tough? Trust me, we won't be better off without Petey and Hughes for a long time.

 

Is your point that we shouldn't have been so "loyal" to guys like the Sedins and Edler? 

 

Also, neither Petey nor Hughes are getting paid 10M nor 11M, you don't have to worry about that.

Burrows, in my mind, was the only one who thought of the "team first" when it was time for him to move on but none of the others would sacrifice anything for the team, especially Edler. The Great "Sedins" could have sacrificed a year to bring in something for the future for the team, but they didn't. 

No matter what they decide, we will get fair market value for them even if its just picks. I believe the character of the player is a game changer and if money is the issue then I can't see that true commitment to win a Cup at all costs. So to me, that brings down their value. I would much rather see a "Motte" type player give his all in the playoffs then watch some Whiney player complain about this or that. Maybe that's just me. 

Sorry about the 10/11 Million dollar statement I didn't know you were the "literal" type. 

[spook007]

3 hours ago, Mayhem300 said:

Maybe that's what he wants ...

If so, its not a big loss. 
If he doesn't want to be a Canucks, team will be better of getting some substantial return, than have an unhappy player hanging around. 

[CRAZY_4_NAZZY]

51 minutes ago, JM_ said:

that shirt 

I can't tell what is worse.  His shirt or his general pronunciation of player's names.

[spook007]

3 hours ago, NUCKER67 said:

Lou: Whadda you want for Quinn?

Jim: A new contract. Why, you gonna help?

Lou: No, Jim. We want to get him in Jersey.

Jim: Like, to play for the Devils?  Aww, I dunno Lou. I'm not sure I could sell that, you know, to the Aqualinis, and the fans would hate me even more.

Lou: We'll give you Ty Smith, a 1st in 2022 and a 2nd in 2023.  Think about it. 

 

Would you? 

Right now? Deal.....

[Chris Thornycroft]

The Kaprizov deal guarantees bridge contract for both guys. If we get either guy for under 7 million per, it will be a minor miracle.

[BertaNuck]

I’ve heard they are almost done just hammering out the  parking details at Rogers arena 

[wai_lai416]

30 minutes ago, Chris Thornycroft said:

The Kaprizov deal guarantees bridge contract for both guys. If we get either guy for under 7 million per, it will be a minor miracle.

you are not geting either guy under 7 would have been done deal before summer even starts

[Maginator]

I have a bad feeling this drags into the regular season. . .

 

[ohmy]

31 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

you are not geting either guy under 7 would have been done deal before summer even starts

On a bridge deal there should be no way Hughes gets 7. Long term your right, short term no way.