wai_lai416 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, JM_ said: thats a good point. A 3 year deal guarantees him walking in 4. 5 is better. 6 is ideal but that doesn't seem like thats going be a thing. i mean ideally you want to sign him to a max 8 year deal maybe at 8-9mil that'll guarantee him playing most if not all of his prime years in vancouver barring a trade request. heck i'd even go 9.5mil. sure cap is flat and is going up ever so slowly by 1mil each year.. but by the 5th/6th year when all the escrow are paid off. the cap will prolly be going up by 2-3mil a year again.. and at that point 9.5mil would be a steal as the top stars by then might be making easily 13-14mil or more 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 1 minute ago, wai_lai416 said: i mean ideally you want to sign him to a max 8 year deal maybe at 8-9mil that'll guarantee him playing most if not all of his prime years in vancouver barring a trade request. heck i'd even go 9.5mil. sure cap is flat and is going up ever so slowly by 1mil each year.. but by the 5th/6th year when all the escrow are paid off. the cap will prolly be going up by 2-3mil a year again.. and at that point 9.5mil would be a steal as the top stars by then might be making easily 13-14mil or more I think we'd be looking at 11 mil for an 8 year deal, too big a risk for right now. If he was willing to do 9.5 I think that would have been done by now I suspect it will end up at 5 years but we'll see what happens with Hamonic, that might free up some space too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post wai_lai416 Posted September 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2021 1 minute ago, JM_ said: I think we'd be looking at 11 mil for an 8 year deal, too big a risk for right now. If he was willing to do 9.5 I think that would have been done by now I suspect it will end up at 5 years but we'll see what happens with Hamonic, that might free up some space too. as big of a fan of EP as i am saying he should get his market's worth.. ya no to 11mil. he hasn't shown anything in terms of being an 11mil player. if he has an art ross/hart trophy under his name maybe i'll consider lol. but i'm at no more than 9.5mil.. as for hamonic.. regardless of what happens with him.. the cap there needs to be spend on a Dman that can play D.. otherwise the canucks are in big trouble if hamonic opts out.. that defense looks even worse than last year. 1 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said: as big of a fan of EP as i am saying he should get his market's worth.. ya no to 11mil. he hasn't shown anything in terms of being an 11mil player. if he has an art ross/hart trophy under his name maybe i'll consider lol. but i'm at no more than 9.5mil.. as for hamonic.. regardless of what happens with him.. the cap there needs to be spend on a Dman that can play D.. otherwise the canucks are in big trouble if hamonic opts out.. that defense looks even worse than last year. OEL is better than anybody we lost. Problem is the quantity of players out (Schmidt, Edler and *maybe* Hamonic). The "depth guys" aren't going to be able to replace that imho. Guys like Schenn are #7 guys. You don't want him anywhere near the top 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: OEL is better than anybody we lost. Problem is the quantity of players out (Schmidt, Edler and *maybe* Hamonic). The "depth guys" aren't going to be able to replace that imho. Guys like Schenn are #7 guys. You don't want him anywhere near the top 4. if OEL regains his form maybe.. otherwise i have to say Edler was better than OEL defensively as much as we rag over Edler about his defense and pucks bouncing off him and in the net. OEL have a far worse +/- than Edler despite his team gives up less goals than the Canucks and Edler plays mostly against others top line defensively. right now if Hamonic plays then i'll say we are prolly slightly better than last year defensively? but if he doesn't play we need to find a top 4 replacement that can play with hughes.. i don't think i want to see another Hughes/Myer combo.. or i guess maybe we can do a Hughes/Poolman combo.. like we had hughes with tanev.. but i'm not even sure if poolman is capable of that role Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 10 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said: if OEL regains his form maybe.. otherwise i have to say Edler was better than OEL defensively as much as we rag over Edler about his defense and pucks bouncing off him and in the net. OEL have a far worse +/- than Edler despite his team gives up less goals than the Canucks and Edler plays mostly against others top line defensively. right now if Hamonic plays then i'll say we are prolly slightly better than last year defensively? but if he doesn't play we need to find a top 4 replacement that can play with hughes.. i don't think i want to see another Hughes/Myer combo.. or i guess maybe we can do a Hughes/Poolman combo.. like we had hughes with tanev.. but i'm not even sure if poolman is capable of that role I think Poolman is a solid #5 depth guy that can handle top 4 minutes for a short periods of time (injuries). Likely be asking for something beyond his abilities expecting him to handle greater responsiblities than that. He's 28 years old so it's likely he is what he is. Not like say Hughes, who still has a ton of upside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 28 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: I think Poolman is a solid #5 depth guy that can handle top 4 minutes for a short periods of time (injuries). Likely be asking for something beyond his abilities expecting him to handle greater responsiblities than that. He's 28 years old so it's likely he is what he is. Not like say Hughes, who still has a ton of upside. I think we need to wait and see what Shaw can do with the overall team structure. If the F's can contribute more to the defensive side that will take a lot of pressure off guys like Schenn and Poolman. Last night was too much of an AHL showcase to know yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 Wonder if the agent hasn’t been looking at Hamonic’s 3M and telling Benning he has 3M more to pay his clients. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 Just now, DrJockitch said: Wonder if the agent hasn’t been looking at Hamonic’s 3M and telling Benning he has 3M more to pay his clients. if hamonic doesn't play maybe we can bring back the eagle for a cheap season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 1 hour ago, DrJockitch said: Wonder if the agent hasn’t been looking at Hamonic’s 3M and telling Benning he has 3M more to pay his clients. That, or Hamonic is all but done, yet it hasn't been released yet for that very reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 1 hour ago, DrJockitch said: Wonder if the agent hasn’t been looking at Hamonic’s 3M and telling Benning he has 3M more to pay his clients. If he opts out rather than retire they will need those 3M for next season as he’ll still be under contract. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Petey_BOI said: if hamonic doesn't play maybe we can bring back the eagle for a cheap season? Won’t be cheap to get him out of LA. They are looking to compete this season and they are in the same division - Vancouver being weaker on D helps them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 21 minutes ago, mll said: If he opts out rather than retire they will need those 3M for next season as he’ll still be under contract. How could this not have been a conversation before we signed him to a multi year contract… Benning seems to have been taken off guard guaranteeing that Hamonic would be here for the start of camp and then getting pissed off when asked why that didn’t happen. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 atta boy ,miller, you look strong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post arsenalian Posted September 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 28, 2021 8 hours ago, Dr. Crossbar said: The room door opens. In walks two 350lb twin men. One of them is Keith Tkachuk 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 What a mess this has become, missing the start of training camp is bigger than people think, especially for Hughes and Petey. Pettersson looked pretty sluggish when coming into the season previously after injuries, I think these guys need a proper workout and they need to really work on their defensive and team-based skills in training. Green was right to go on record and say that it's a big loss not having them both around. What started as a brilliant off-season is turning into a nightmare with Hamonic possibly not playing and Petey and Hughes not signed yet. Even if they sign now and get to training camp ASAP, they'll be a bit off our team play, but I don't see it happening any time soon. If they miss regular season games then this is just a massive fail by everyone. I don't think JB is only to blame, he's done the harder work of moving cap to fit them in, but you just know JP Barry is holding out on them to put the pressure on. He doesn't care if the Canucks win or lose, or even how his players perform, he's just trying to get them more money and you bet this holding-out period will put pressure on JB and be working because it makes our team worse every day. Starting the season without Pettersson, Hughes and Hamonic will be rough for sure but may give someone like Juolevi a real chance to steal some big minutes. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BertaNuck Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 Watch this be like when Nylander held out till the very last minute and the leafs caved in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bree2 Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 8 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said: What a mess this has become, missing the start of training camp is bigger than people think, especially for Hughes and Petey. Pettersson looked pretty sluggish when coming into the season previously after injuries, I think these guys need a proper workout and they need to really work on their defensive and team-based skills in training. Green was right to go on record and say that it's a big loss not having them both around. What started as a brilliant off-season is turning into a nightmare with Hamonic possibly not playing and Petey and Hughes not signed yet. Even if they sign now and get to training camp ASAP, they'll be a bit off our team play, but I don't see it happening any time soon. If they miss regular season games then this is just a massive fail by everyone. I don't think JB is only to blame, he's done the harder work of moving cap to fit them in, but you just know JP Barry is holding out on them to put the pressure on. He doesn't care if the Canucks win or lose, or even how his players perform, he's just trying to get them more money and you bet this holding-out period will put pressure on JB and be working because it makes our team worse every day. Starting the season without Pettersson, Hughes and Hamonic will be rough for sure but may give someone like Juolevi a real chance to steal some big minutes. i agree, starting the season without these guys is only going to hurt them. our team is fine without them, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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