Elias Pettersson | Quinn Hughes - Contract Discussion Thread

[Gurn]

5 minutes ago, TFerguson said:

NM saying he wants to take a little under market on his next deal too shows the heart of a captain and someone actually willing to pay the price to help build a winner. 

Hopefully he does what he says.

[CRAZY_4_NAZZY]

Kinda curious, as a fan would you be prepared to start the season without Petey and Huggy if it meant getting a better deal? Or are you dead set on must have them there for the first day of the season at all costs?

 

Part of me is already prepared to look at lines that don't feature Petey and Huggy for a while.

 

[Gurn]

In a way it is a bit strange, big money deals take this long; even though at those sums, what's a couple hundred thousand?

While guys that are scrapping by, where $10,000 is a lot of coin, get done in a day.

[theo5789]

1 minute ago, -Moose said:

I suspect there won't be an update till next week now; Hamonic needs to decide what he's doing. There may be a bit more money available than originally thought 

Problem is that there may be more money available, but the solution isn't to hand it over to Petey and Quinn. If we did, then that just means one less depth option we could be adding by overpaying them and it can only hurt more if they don't live up to the contract.

[-Moose]

2 minutes ago, theo5789 said:

Problem is that there may be more money available, but the solution isn't to hand it over to Petey and Quinn. If we did, then that just means one less depth option we could be adding by overpaying them and it can only hurt more if they don't live up to the contract.

We can't say we're overpaying them until we see what the contracts are. I don't think we'll be getting a Top 4 RHD before the season starts and a depth piece should only cost ~1m. That extra 2 million could be the difference between a bridge and long term for one, or both, of EP and QH

[theo5789]

5 minutes ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said:

Kinda curious, as a fan would you be prepared to start the season without Petey and Huggy if it meant getting a better deal? Or are you dead set on must have them there for the first day of the season at all costs?

 

Part of me is already prepared to look at lines that don't feature Petey and Huggy for a while.

 

I think if we give in to the demands, then we end up in the Toronto situations. One thing we have been solid on is our RFA signings and we need to keep it that way for future negotiations as well.

 

IMO, with Rathbone's emergence (not saying they're equivalent), but Hughes' offensive play could be somewhat replaced. The defensive side wouldn't be much different if both are kept off the PK anyway. Petey would be much harder to replaced, but I'm sure someone like Garland would thrive getting the bigger offensive minutes as well. I think as a team, we would be fine without them in the lineup for a while. It'll be a huge boost to add them back, but I don't think it is critical enough to cave.

 

I felt if Toronto held firm with Nylander, they wouldn't be in the situation they're in now not being able to add depth. They were rolling even without him. Then they brought him back on an inflated salary and then so did Matthews and Marner knowing their GM would cave. Now they can't even get out of the first round, so what was the benefit of locking in their players at all costs?

[48MPHSlapShot]

I think an issue that we haven't really discussed is the general perception of GMJB vs EP and Quinn. This forum is a bit of an anomaly, but outside of this board it needs to be noted that GMJB is deeply unpopular with a big chunk of the fanbase right now. Whether it's justified is up for debate, and is honestly irrelevant to the discussion. It's simply a fact, and because of that the pressure from the fans is largely on Benning moreso than Quinn and Petey. A lot of the narratives I've seen outside of CDC have been along the lines of "Benning should have gotten them signed earlier" or "Benning didn't leave us enough space to get them signed", rather than "EP and QH are holding the team ransom for more money".

 

It's counterproductive for the fans to put the pressure on the GM during contract negotiations instead of the players, but that's what's happening. JP Barry knows this, and is using it to his advantage. 

Edited September 28, 2021 by 48MPHSlapShot

[theo5789]

2 minutes ago, -Moose said:

We can't say we're overpaying them until we see what the contracts are. I don't think we'll be getting a Top 4 RHD before the season starts and a depth piece should only cost ~1m. That extra 2 million could be the difference between a bridge and long term for one, or both, of EP and QH

But we need to look beyond this season as well. Are either player worth that extra million tacked on? But yes we won't know until the final numbers come out, but I wouldn't be handing them back leverage just because we have some cap freed up. I rather keep the money free to try and find a replacement (through trade or waivers) for Hamonic because our defense looked way better with him on the defense. The point is our team looks better by having Hamonic along with Petey and Hughes, but by giving them the extra money, then it actually hurts the team more.

 

I hope we can bridge Quinn and see how Rathbone progresses and if Quinn can improve his defensive game. I rather long term Petey, but I understand him wanting a bridge as well and I'm fine with that as long as it's a Barzal type bridge.

[Heretic]

30 minutes ago, The Lock said:

I'm going to disagree since then you are potentially missing out on the skill that could be in replace of that 2mil cap. I'd rather spend to the cap and have the team at full potential.

I'd rather players take a small sacrifice so overall the team can be better.

[Bure_Pavel]

20 minutes ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said:

Kinda curious, as a fan would you be prepared to start the season without Petey and Huggy if it meant getting a better deal? Or are you dead set on must have them there for the first day of the season at all costs?

 

Part of me is already prepared to look at lines that don't feature Petey and Huggy for a while.

 

Let them sit for a while, these are you very important contracts that will set the tone for the next 10 years. 

[theo5789]

3 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said:

I think an issue that we haven't really discussed is the general perception of GMJB vs EP and Quinn. This forum is a bit of an anomaly, but outside of this board it needs to be noted that GMJB is deeply unpopular with a big chunk of the fanbase right now. Whether it's justified is up for debate, and is honestly irrelevant to the discussion. It's simply a fact, and because of that the pressure from the fans is largely on Benning moreso than Quinn and Petey. A lot of the narratives I've seen outside of CDC have been along the lines of "Benning should have gotten them signed earlier" or "Benning didn't leave us enough space to get them signed", rather than "EP and QH are holding the team ransom for more money". It's counterproductive for the fans to put the pressure on the GM during contract negotiations rather than the players, but that's what's happening, and JP Barry knows this and is using it to his advantage. 

Which gives me all the more respect to Benning for blocking out the noise and holding firm like he did with Horvat and Boeser before (amongst other RFAs) and locking them into very reasonable deals.

 

With that said, there's no need to put the anger towards the players as well. Just have to let the process sort itself out. We will see if the players care more about playing and wanting the money. Boeser's comment about it being tough to watch during negotiations seem to show that he cared more about getting back on the ice with the boys and signed a very reasonable contract.

[Nuxfanabroad]

16 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said:

I think an issue that we haven't really discussed is the general perception of GMJB vs EP and Quinn. This forum is a bit of an anomaly, but outside of this board it needs to be noted that GMJB is deeply unpopular with a big chunk of the fanbase right now. Whether it's justified is up for debate, and is honestly irrelevant to the discussion. It's simply a fact, and because of that the pressure from the fans is largely on Benning moreso than Quinn and Petey. A lot of the narratives I've seen outside of CDC have been along the lines of "Benning should have gotten them signed earlier" or "Benning didn't leave us enough space to get them signed", rather than "EP and QH are holding the team ransom for more money".

 

It's counterproductive for the fans to put the pressure on the GM during contract negotiations instead of the players, but that's what's happening. JP Barry knows this, and is using it to his advantage. 

Granite-support from the Aquas can negate that HS hallway-BS!

[fanfor42]

Hamonic has to let the team know his plans by Friday.  Not likely that QH or EP sign anything until that decision comes down as it will have an effect on available cap room. Team doesn't play until Friday as well.  So probably gonna stay pretty quiet next couple of days..

[erkayloomeh]

I keep wondering.if something is wrong with me. 

10 million per year is not enough money?

9                                is not enough?

8                                is not enough ? 

 

And so on. I dont get it. 

[I.Am.Ironman]

50 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said:

I think an issue that we haven't really discussed is the general perception of GMJB vs EP and Quinn. This forum is a bit of an anomaly, but outside of this board it needs to be noted that GMJB is deeply unpopular with a big chunk of the fanbase right now. Whether it's justified is up for debate, and is honestly irrelevant to the discussion. It's simply a fact, and because of that the pressure from the fans is largely on Benning moreso than Quinn and Petey. A lot of the narratives I've seen outside of CDC have been along the lines of "Benning should have gotten them signed earlier" or "Benning didn't leave us enough space to get them signed", rather than "EP and QH are holding the team ransom for more money".

 

It's counterproductive for the fans to put the pressure on the GM during contract negotiations instead of the players, but that's what's happening. JP Barry knows this, and is using it to his advantage. 

Is Canucks twitter or facebook really the space to make those assumptions though? Other than those spaces, media is the only other narrative. I agree it has been weaponized by the agents. Those same fans would blame benning for over paying them.. which is the irony of it all.

[grandmaster]

Looking more like a Nylander situation. Contract will be signed in December 

[ABNuck]

5 minutes ago, grandmaster said:

Looking more like a Nylander situation. Contract will be signed in December 

I was just wondering if they still have that DEC 1st drop dead date in the current CBA...and are both players under the same paragraph of rule since they sre slightly different RFA's?

[4petesake]

1 minute ago, ABNuck said:

I was just wondering if they still have that DEC 1st drop dead date in the current CBA...and are both players under the same paragraph of rule since they sre slightly different RFA's?

Yes and yes.

[Smashian Kassian]

1 hour ago, 48MPHSlapShot said:

I think an issue that we haven't really discussed is the general perception of GMJB vs EP and Quinn. This forum is a bit of an anomaly, but outside of this board it needs to be noted that GMJB is deeply unpopular with a big chunk of the fanbase right now. Whether it's justified is up for debate, and is honestly irrelevant to the discussion. It's simply a fact, and because of that the pressure from the fans is largely on Benning moreso than Quinn and Petey. A lot of the narratives I've seen outside of CDC have been along the lines of "Benning should have gotten them signed earlier" or "Benning didn't leave us enough space to get them signed", rather than "EP and QH are holding the team ransom for more money".

 

It's counterproductive for the fans to put the pressure on the GM during contract negotiations instead of the players, but that's what's happening. JP Barry knows this, and is using it to his advantage. 

 

Yup your definitely right.

 

It's one of the things that bothers me about that line of criticism, especially from the media.

 

They blame Benning, but what's the alternative? Just cave in to their demands? And be Toronto? Have an awful salary structure that stifles our window? (Wasn't that also one of the Anti-Benning complaints with prior contracts?)

 

If EP is balking at 7.5 x 3 then it's not Benning that's being unreasonable here.

[aznmonk]

Travis Hamonic situation! Do you think the Canucks are waiting on him by friday to see if he plays because of covid vaccine? So they can save additional 3mill in cap hit. So we can sign pettersson and Hughes on long term contracts.? Would that make our 16m cap space to 19 mill instead? Maybe al blessing in disguise?