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15 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

If Hughes wants 4 years he can enjoy Buffalo.

lol ya buffalo's going to give you a king's ransom for a player that wont even be part of the future during a rebuild right? they ain't competiting for the next 5-6 years and EP or Hughes or whoever else u want to dump to buffalo won't even stay there so buffalo will say here's trash prospect take it or leave it.

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1 hour ago, wai_lai416 said:

and i'll say this again 3 years means nothing as if they don't want to be here they'll go abitration and get a 1 year and leave signing them to 3 years doesn't mean you have any better chance at keeping them if they don't want to be here

Or it just means they and the team agreed that a 3 year term was the best compromise for both sides, at this time. We could sign them to a three year bridge and then extend them for 8 years after and have them basically for their entire peak years. How awful :rolleyes:

 

My guess is we sign Petterson for a 3 year bridge and Hughes for 6. Both right around $7m.

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19 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said:

 

Karlsson is 31, the current 11.5M contract was signed when he was 29. Quinn Hughes is 21.

 

Ottawa signed a 7 year deal with Karlsson (as an RFA, his 2nd contract) at 6.5M & got PPG/Norris winning years on a value contract. (His best years)

 

That would be the goal with Hughes on an 8 year deal. 

 

 

There's definitely a risk, but it's partially the new age. As I said above Ottawa did it with Karlsson and hit the jackpot.

 

As far as the rest it depends. Petey for 8 years is probably around 10+, but you could bridge him & it's different terms. On a bridge his contract affects the team salary structure differently than long term. 

 

Demko just signed long term, goalies are also different.

 

Brock we'll see, 7.5 qualifying offer. Considering he was bridged & has that leverage he's probably around 7.

 

Horvat was walked to UFA years. Could see him anywhere from 6-8. Depends on the league cap situation. Nuge signed 5x8 & Couturier signed 7.75x8. Thats likely his ballpark. 

 

It may be the "new age", but the teams that go that route simply are not successful and I cheer for the team, not for players.  You don't win with the team on the shoulders of a couple of players barely out of their teens.  

 

And how have Nuge and Coutieriers teams done?  All I hear from Canucks fans is what morin's the Oulers are for paying RNH that $, and he's a better comparable than many here would care to admit

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10 minutes ago, stawns said:

It may be the "new age", but the teams that go that route simply are not successful and I cheer for the team, not for players.  You don't win with the team on the shoulders of a couple of players barely out of their teens.  

 

And how have Nuge and Coutieriers teams done?  All I hear from Canucks fans is what morin's the Oulers are for paying RNH that $, and he's a better comparable than many here would care to admit

 

I don't think the Oilers are dumb for paying RNH that. He's worth more AAV-wise, they sacrificed term & it was the smart thing IMO. If we're able to sign Horvat for 8 years to save 1.5 on his value each season (as opposed to say 6 years as full value) I think that would be smart.

 

And so whats the alternative then with Pettersson & Hughes? You have a chance here to get a value contract going long-term if you believe in the player. Whats your ideal plan with EP & QH? Be willing to hold them out for the year, potentially fracture the relationship, and hope they give in?... Or maybe explore a trade?

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31 minutes ago, GarthButcher5 said:

He looked a lot better as a rookie but for the most part the coaching staff were sheltering him alot more as well and pairing him on favorable matchups. In the bubble they didn't have that luxery or depth on defense so we saw what his flaws are in exposed play.

 

In the bubble he was playing great - 16 pts in 17 games - I disagree completely on that. The team objectively overachieved & he was one of the main guys driving the bus. 

 

He was playing top 4 mins with Tanev & was a difference maker. Tanev definitely helped but hes shown capable of playing in the big situations & eating minutes. In his rookie year he had alot of nights where he logged huge minutes.

 

Considering the circumstances I'm willing to bet last year was more-so the anomaly as opposed to his rookie year.  

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6 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said:

 

I don't think the Oilers are dumb for paying RNH that. He's worth more AAV-wise, they sacrificed term & it was the smart thing IMO. If we're able to sign Horvat for 8 years to save 1.5 on his value each season (as opposed to say 6 years as full value) I think that would be smart.

 

And so whats the alternative then with Pettersson & Hughes? You have a chance here to get a value contract going long-term if you believe in the player. Whats your ideal plan with EP & QH? Be willing to hold them out for the year, potentially fracture the relationship, and hope they give in?... Or maybe explore a trade?

You stand your ground and hope they realize they have very little leversge beyond screwing your team over.  If one comes around and the other doesn't, you explore a trade for that one.  

 

What they do with these two contracts will determine if they have an actual chance to be a contending team or not.  Both are good players who could be great players, but they're not guys who can carry a team to the promised land on their own.  

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I hope these guys get signed soon, not sure why the pair of them weren't priority #1 this off season to sign first before limiting our cap space. Guess the GM was hoping they would see the new acquisitions and sign for a fair price? These 2 players are kids still and need to show more before they hold out for top $ imo.

 

If they want to win you can't ask for the moon...how will the team around you get better or be able to sign other key players in the near future like BB6, Bo captain or JT Miller?

 

I am disappointed they both missed training camp, lots of turnover on the team...would give them time to gel with their new teammates and it gets ALL players ready for the season. Hopefully this gets resolved soon and we have them at 100% for game 1 of the regular season. 

 

 

 

 

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51 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Or it just means they and the team agreed that a 3 year term was the best compromise for both sides, at this time. We could sign them to a three year bridge and then extend them for 8 years after and have them basically for their entire peak years. How awful :rolleyes:

 

My guess is we sign Petterson for a 3 year bridge and Hughes for 6. Both right around $7m.

lol so instead of having EP in say year 4-8 at 9.5mil where we are more likely to be competing for the cup you want to sign him to a bridge now at 7mil for 3 years where we are not likely to compete for the cup and then sign him at the market rate then which might be 10.5-11mil or higher depends how well he does? or u want to get rid of his 3 year bridge and start another rebuild before we even compete? 

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3 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

lol so instead of having EP in say year 4-8 at 9.5mil where we are more likely to be competing for the cup you want to sign him to a bridge now at 7mil for 3 years where we are not likely to compete for the cup and then sign him at the market rate then which might be 10.5-11mil or higher depends how well he does? or u want to get rid of his 3 year bridge and start another rebuild before we even compete? 

Nothing to do with what I want. It's simply what may happen.

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1 minute ago, aGENT said:

Nothing to do with what I want. It's simply what may happen.

pretty sure it won't happen at least not a 3 year at or around 7 forgot which insider mentioned it but pretty much said JB already offered a bridge north of barzal.. if they were to accept a bridge around there they would have already accepted it regardless of what the deal is with hughes since or 7 or 8mil there's more than enough to sign hughes to a long term

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37 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

If we hadn’t waited to sign them we would have missed out on filling out our roster.

 

Benning did what literally every other GM did with their RFAs. Our guys just happened to hold out the longest.

 

I give full credit to Benning for taking this approach. There’s more than enough cap to sign them to reasonable deals. He’s basically saying take this amount or don’t play at this point.  
 

It’s not his first dance with an agent. He’s taking a hard approach with Barry and Brisson which he absolutely should be. They’re not gonna turn us into the Leafs with some ridiculous cap structure.
 

These guys want superstar money they need to show that they’re superstars. They’re not there yet.

 

Completely agree with you.  I think it's a low chance that this was relevant all along, but at this point I'm now giving pause with my frustrations until after Hamonic makes a decision.  If QH and EP are in town by Friday, then this recent delay makes a bit more sense.  Of course the Hamonic situation likely wasn't known earlier by JB or he likely would not have signed him.

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1 hour ago, wai_lai416 said:

lol so instead of having EP in say year 4-8 at 9.5mil where we are more likely to be competing for the cup you want to sign him to a bridge now at 7mil for 3 years where we are not likely to compete for the cup and then sign him at the market rate then which might be 10.5-11mil or higher depends how well he does? or u want to get rid of his 3 year bridge and start another rebuild before we even compete? 

I'm okay with a 3 year deal.  If we pay more on the next contract and the cap goes up, that's just the insurance you pay.  I'd rather that vs this perpetual bargaining with players who want to be paid for the players they will become over 8 years vs the players they are now.  An 8-year contract scares the heck out of me with that kind of money....one bad injury and it's a huge problem.

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2 hours ago, wai_lai416 said:

lol ya buffalo's going to give you a king's ransom for a player that wont even be part of the future during a rebuild right? they ain't competiting for the next 5-6 years and EP or Hughes or whoever else u want to dump to buffalo won't even stay there so buffalo will say here's trash prospect take it or leave it.

Eichel isn’t a trash prospect. He just has a small neck issue that needs a little bit more time to resolve.  He’ll be as good as new after his minor operation really.  -_-

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