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9 hours ago, Provost said:

Lets keep in context…is Petterson a top 10 Centre in the league yet? 

 

6 centres in the league are getting paid $10 million or more.

3 more are $9 million or more.

7 more are between $8-9 million.

 

Petterson is more in the $8-9 million tier at best with names like Crosby, Draisaitl, Stamkos, Giroux, etc.  Those guys all had more resume with more than PPG seasons under their belts … or even 100+ point seasons to earn those salaries.  Accounting for inflation Petterson should slot in here on a max term deal.  Barzal money on a short term deal.

 

There are only 6 defencemen who make $9 million or more and those were consistent Norris trophy winners/finalists.

 

Another 7D in the league make between $8-9 million.  Hughes isn’t really in the conversation with this tier of guys either.  Heck, Hedman signed a max term deal for under $8 million not long ago when the cap wasn’t much lower than now.  He was already a Norris finalist at that point.

 

The reported 3 year at $7 million per offer for Petterson is more than fair and he should be at camp with that number.  Hughes should be under that.

 


 

 

Really makes you wonder what in the hell Dubas and Guerin were thinking :lol:

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12 hours ago, The Lock said:

It would be nice, sure; however, if you expect it, that's on you in my opinion. It's their lives in the end. Not yours.

 

Players have every right to choose if they want to earn money or make less money for the team. They worked hard to get where they are and we're mere fans in the end. It makes just as much sense for them to want to earn a paycheck as it does you wanting them to take a paycut. ;)

Some of us have done just that.

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9 hours ago, GarthButcher5 said:

He looked a lot better as a rookie but for the most part the coaching staff were sheltering him alot more as well and pairing him on favorable matchups. In the bubble they didn't have that luxery or depth on defense so we saw what his flaws are in exposed play.

Im just worried that Baumgartner is STILL behind the bench…

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11 hours ago, Provost said:

Lets keep in context…is Petterson a top 10 Centre in the league yet? 

 

6 centres in the league are getting paid $10 million or more.

3 more are $9 million or more.

7 more are between $8-9 million.

 

Petterson is more in the $8-9 million tier at best with names like Crosby, Draisaitl, Stamkos, Giroux, etc.  Those guys all had more resume with more than PPG seasons under their belts … or even 100+ point seasons to earn those salaries.  Accounting for inflation Petterson should slot in here on a max term deal.  Barzal money on a short term deal.

 

There are only 6 defencemen who make $9 million or more and those were consistent Norris trophy winners/finalists.

 

Another 7D in the league make between $8-9 million.  Hughes isn’t really in the conversation with this tier of guys either.  Heck, Hedman signed a max term deal for under $8 million not long ago when the cap wasn’t much lower than now.  He was already a Norris finalist at that point.

 

The reported 3 year at $7 million per offer for Petterson is more than fair and he should be at camp with that number.  Hughes should be under that.

 


 

 

As of right now - this point in time, EP is ranked around 15/16 for all centres in the league.   And the guys around him have done more so even that is somewhat based on potential.   Stamkos ...ahead of him.  Think about that for a minute.   PGP or PPG (Points per game played i prefer - because PPG also means power play goals! lol)  or not, so far that's what he's managed.   That would put him in the 8 million range over a long term deal and sure that's where it started.   Barzal/Aho are decent comps. There shouldn't be that much problem making him a very rich man.   Agreed 7 x 3 is a fair deal - and expect he will get more.  

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There have been some mentions here and there about Benning wanting to have room with the cap after signing them, so it's likely that he's playing hardball to get them signed to a  very reasonable deal (aka lower than expected) and not the players being greedy. 

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8 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Eichel isn’t a trash prospect. He just has a small neck issue that needs a little bit more time to resolve.  He’ll be as good as new after his minor operation really.  -_-

Sure but Buffalo won't trade u eichel for 4 years of EP or hughes that they 100% won't be able to keep past his ufa. They prolly rather take a bunch of picks/prospect especially when they are rebuilding around power and dahlin

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19 minutes ago, IBatch said:

As of right now - this point in time, EP is ranked around 15/16 for all centres in the league.   And the guys around him have done more so even that is somewhat based on potential.   Stamkos ...ahead of him.  Think about that for a minute.   PGP or PPG (Points per game played i prefer - because PPG also means power play goals! lol)  or not, so far that's what he's managed.   That would put him in the 8 million range over a long term deal and sure that's where it started.   Barzal/Aho are decent comps. There shouldn't be that much problem making him a very rich man.   Agreed 7 x 3 is a fair deal - and expect he will get more.  

I agree that he is at the bottom of that $8-9 million tier.

 

I just accounted for the fact some of those deals are old and would be more in today’s dollars…. giving Petterson the benefit of some cap inflation.

 

Those and all the recent signings all seem to point to a fair range for Petterson being $6.75-7.25 on a short term deal and $8.0-8.5 million for a max deal.

 

The agent may just want to be setting a new precedent with these deals so is demanding more.  It is a unique opportunity for him to set new comparables for all his clients, not often he has control over two young star players on the same team with a GM that has a history of giving out bad contracts.

 

Doing well on these high profile deals are what gets his agency more clients.  It will take Petey or Hughes saying they just want to play (or Benning cracking) to resolve it.

 

The first day of the season there is $3 million less cap left unless they can figure out a really fancy way of getting LTIR relief for Ferland when we aren’t near the cap.

 

I am much more fine with Benning letting them sit rather than signing deals which will ensure we can’t compete for a Cup for our entire upcoming window.

 

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24 minutes ago, Jester13 said:

There have been some mentions here and there about Benning wanting to have room with the cap after signing them, so it's likely that he's playing hardball to get them signed to a  very reasonable deal (aka lower than expected) and not the players being greedy. 

What mentions?  We would be in LTIR so won’t have any room under the cap regardless after signing them.

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19 hours ago, IBatch said:

Yikes.   We don't have the information - for all we know his daughter is terminal and he won't risk exposing her.    We can wait and see what the concerns are.   Travelling around the NHL and bringing home a variant, which can happen vaccinated or not, could very easily be the reason for Hamonic opting out this season.    Makes more sense doesn't it? 

I have had a lot of replies focusing on the speculation, total pure speculation. My point was we can better allocate 3 million to sign our two biggest stars and I don't give a fig about Hamonic other than he seems to be wasting everyone's time and money right now. Poop or get off the Pot. 

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1 hour ago, TFerguson said:

What does this mean?

JP Barry and Pat Brisson would love to be able to be in this exact situation and do this all over again. That can only happen if the 2 contracts are tied together like they are now.  
 

The agents are pushing for the same term for both deals to maximize the leverage the next time the deals expire. Benning is trying to avoid this at all costs. In order to avoid this situation again Benning is going to have to pony up. 
 

My sources are telling me this is the main sticking point in the negotiations. We will see if they get different terms or not. My hunch is they won’t. 

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