LTC123 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 Did Winnipeg ruin Nic Petan? A great young scorer that couldn't make in the NHL? Too small? Did Winnipeg ruin his development? Does he have a 2nd life with the Canucks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MeanSeanBean Posted September 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 25, 2021 I don't think Winnipeg ruined his development. Might have been a bit of a rush to get him into the show, but I think that only goes so far. He has a ton of talent, but some guys just aren't built for the NHL. Like a Reid Boucher, some players can absolutely excel at a lesser league but just can't translate that to the next level. I reckon Petan will be like that. He may be able to fill in short term in a top 6 role if injuries hit us, but I don't think he's looking at some big rejuvenation here in Vancouver. He will likely help lead the charge down in Abby, and that's what we signed him for. But hey, I hope I'm wrong! 3 4 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 One could probably write a Masters Thesis on the causes of a failed sports career. look back at past history, family history and family traits reasons for early success, such as speed or early growth spurt factors that cause a slowing of the improvement curve, injuries, loss or motivation (internal or external), end or growth, health then events from the club that put a damper on the player It would be a long process, interesting, but long probably many more factors from within than from without of the player 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camel Toe Drag Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 1 hour ago, LTC123 said: Did Winnipeg ruin Nic Petan? A great young scorer that couldn't make in the NHL? Too small? Did Winnipeg ruin his development? Does he have a 2nd life with the Canucks? Brandon Leipsic syndrome 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 What's wrong with Petan? I thought I heard he has showed very well so far, speed, great hands. In fact, I think he may be the 3rd or 4th line winger on opening day. Maybe? (with Pettersson, Motte and Sutter out) Hoglander - Miller - Boeser Pearson - Horvat - Garland Highmore - Petan - Podkolzin Gadjovich - Dickinson - Lockwood Di Guiseppe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 1 hour ago, lmm said: One could probably write a Masters Thesis on the causes of a failed sports career. look back at past history, family history and family traits reasons for early success, such as speed or early growth spurt factors that cause a slowing of the improvement curve, injuries, loss or motivation (internal or external), end or growth, health then events from the club that put a damper on the player It would be a long process, interesting, but long probably many more factors from within than from without of the player Sounds like a lot of work. More like a PhD thesis that could lead to various projects taking that person to a tenured professorship at a university. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadcanucks Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Camel Toe Drag said: Brandon Leipsic syndrome Minus the douche-bag factor. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadcanucks Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 15 minutes ago, khay said: Sounds like a lot of work. More like a PhD thesis that could lead to various projects taking that person to a tenured professorship at a university. Yeah. You'd have to be following/monitoring/analyzing your subjects for 15 to 25 years. That's a lifetime in academia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 10 hours ago, bigbadcanucks said: Yeah. You'd have to be following/monitoring/analyzing your subjects for 15 to 25 years. That's a lifetime in academia. its true you would need to do research covering at least 25 years, but you would need to do it retroactively. You can't just walk up to some parents in the hospital and say, "That's a good looking boy you got there, you gonna put him in hockey? Do you think he'll go in the first round? I'd like to start following him now in case he does, then flops. Do you mind?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 On 9/25/2021 at 10:54 AM, lmm said: One could probably write a Masters Thesis on the causes of a failed sports career. look back at past history, family history and family traits reasons for early success, such as speed or early growth spurt factors that cause a slowing of the improvement curve, injuries, loss or motivation (internal or external), end or growth, health then events from the club that put a damper on the player It would be a long process, interesting, but long probably many more factors from within than from without of the player There's so many variables but it would be interesting. New England Patriots did a study on what factors cause the GOAT players to be who they are and did a independent study on it where they interviewed, Jordan, Kobe, Tiger, Brady. Surprisingly, Brady was the only one that performed at his best when felt supported and community / relationship was a big factor in his drive. The other athletes named used big chips in their shoulder to spur on their competitiveness and rise to greatness. So weird how we are all wired so differently. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 On 9/25/2021 at 10:35 AM, NUCKER67 said: What's wrong with Petan? I thought I heard he has showed very well so far, speed, great hands. In fact, I think he may be the 3rd or 4th line winger on opening day. Maybe? (with Pettersson, Motte and Sutter out) Hoglander - Miller - Boeser Pearson - Horvat - Garland Highmore - Petan - Podkolzin Gadjovich - Dickinson - Lockwood Di Guiseppe He's a great AHL player who can be a serviceable call-up. Expecting more isn't realistic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 just another tweener. not good enough for an nhl top 6, not suited to an nhl bottom 6. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckster19 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 12 minutes ago, CanucksJay said: There's so many variables but it would be interesting. New England Patriots did a study on what factors cause the GOAT players to be who they are and did a independent study on it where they interviewed, Jordan, Kobe, Tiger, Brady. Surprisingly, Brady was the only one that performed at his best when felt supported and community / relationship was a big factor in his drive. The other athletes named used big chips in their shoulder to spur on their competitiveness and rise to greatness. So weird how we are all wired so differently. Interesting to know the difference though, I'd say Jordan's was self inflicted, if he's talking first retirement. Tiger, well for obvious reasons, but then he did the whole infidelity thing and well, he didn't really overcome that now did he? Kobe, one where you look at the guy and think, well, there's a POS who I couldn't care less about. Brady is an interesting one because he was always overshadowed in the regular season by Manning or someone else, and I dare say, choked quite a few times as well... 18-1. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
250Integra Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 (edited) Must've been that those few years with the Maple Leafs Edited October 1, 2021 by 250Integra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrissex95 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Petan could definitely be a 4C or 4RW, that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefCon1 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 On 9/25/2021 at 9:00 AM, LTC123 said: Did Winnipeg ruin Nic Petan? A great young scorer that couldn't make in the NHL? Too small? Did Winnipeg ruin his development? Does he have a 2nd life with the Canucks? Was the worst player on ice tonight, both teams included 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefCon1 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 1 hour ago, morrissex95 said: Petan could definitely be a 4C or 4RW, that's it. No god, I hope not. If Petan is in the lineup during regular season the we are in trouble. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefCon1 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 On 9/25/2021 at 10:35 AM, NUCKER67 said: What's wrong with Petan? I thought I heard he has showed very well so far, speed, great hands. In fact, I think he may be the 3rd or 4th line winger on opening day. Maybe? (with Pettersson, Motte and Sutter out) Hoglander - Miller - Boeser Pearson - Horvat - Garland Highmore - Petan - Podkolzin Gadjovich - Dickinson - Lockwood Di Guiseppe Where is Hoglander and Chiasson?? Petan will be a callup most likely if injuries happen but Dickenson is on 3rd line not Petan. Petan is a career AHLer, only called up if injuries happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead44 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Petan is a bit of a puzzle. From what I gathered reading Jets articles is that he would start on the 4th line, play really well, move up, then get injured. Writers tend to say he looks good when he plays but doesn’t get the minutes or the line mates over a consistent stretch. here is a good article about him from his time with the Leafs: https://editorinleaf.com/2021/02/06/petan-toronto-maple-leafs-lineup/ Given his ability to perform in lower leagues and his unfortunate circumstances in the NHL we could find a bit of a diamond in the rough here. He likely becomes a top player on Abby and earns a few games but if he gels with say Podkolzin and Hoglander or Pearson on an offensive 4th line he could end up producing, but unlikely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefCon1 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 2 hours ago, canucklehead44 said: Petan is a bit of a puzzle. From what I gathered reading Jets articles is that he would start on the 4th line, play really well, move up, then get injured. Writers tend to say he looks good when he plays but doesn’t get the minutes or the line mates over a consistent stretch. here is a good article about him from his time with the Leafs: https://editorinleaf.com/2021/02/06/petan-toronto-maple-leafs-lineup/ Given his ability to perform in lower leagues and his unfortunate circumstances in the NHL we could find a bit of a diamond in the rough here. He likely becomes a top player on Abby and earns a few games but if he gels with say Podkolzin and Hoglander or Pearson on an offensive 4th line he could end up producing, but unlikely Petan is not a regular and should not be a regular in Canucks lineup. He is just another warm body imo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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