[Report] Sharks claim Jonah Gadjovich off waivers

[ShawnAntoski]

6 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said:

Thanks for the reply Shawn. I do realize there is far more potential there with Gadjovich. I'm just questioning those that are making this seem like an obviously brutal decision that only our idiot leaders would make. We both know this isn't a developmental league. I feel it's a pretty close call with valid arguments on both sides. And to me it certainly still appears undecided. Some people really want our prospects to succeed at all costs. I don't really have a problem with club the attempting to win now and make choices based on that.

 

I've seen stuff like this happen time and time again. Obviously they somehow felt Chiasson would benefit the team better right now and rolled the dice on that. What a lot of people seem to be missing is that once a player is past his ELC he either needs to make the team or be cut loose. It's not like we hated Gadjovich, or didn't believe in his potential it's just the reality of the NHL. If we automatically played all our own draft picks once they graduate from their ELC, the team would be worse than Arizona. I don't think players should be guaranteed spots simply because they are a home town draft pick.

 

Cheers!

Appreciate the explanation.  I do understand your POV and I  appreciate these cordial (if possible) back & forth. 

 

Personally, it would had been nice if Green would had played him more in the pre season and given hjm a legit chance in front of the fan based to perhaps quell any questions that we might have about a prospect we had only mostly heard/read about.   

 

Anyways, all the best to Gadj and have a great weekend.

Edited November 7, 2021 by ShawnAntoski

[Gurn]

33 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said:

No, it would nice if you followed the thread. I'm was talking about these guys losing their marbles over a fourth line position where neither player has done anything of significance .

So you acknowledge that nobody posted that Gads was a saviour. Thanks.

[filthycanuck]

On 11/7/2021 at 9:20 AM, Gawdzukes said:

No, it would nice if you followed the thread. I'm was talking about these guys losing their marbles over a fourth line position where neither player has done anything of significance ... (well our guy does have two goals) and it's pretty hard to prove one way or another at this point. I guess that makes me an ahole for trusting the guys that actually attend practices and have fulltime jobs to make these evaluations.

 

You know what I will retract everything I said. I'm definitely not looking for a fight, I am going to enjoy some Sunday Football. It's ironic I'm getting slammed for defending our players though. If you believe he's that good and it needs to repeated over and over ad nauseum I'll just sit back and watch the Gadj and the Sharks win the Conn Smythe. Upon reflection I may have been a bit hyperbolic in my responses in order to prove a point. 

 

Oh well, what could have been. Have a great Sunday!

Funny, Bo Horvat started in our 4th line, so did Kesler and has done nothing of significance prior to that, howd their careers turn out?

[73 Percent]

1 hour ago, filthycanuck said:

Funny, Bo Horvat started in our 4th line, so did Kesler and has done nothing of significance prior to that, howd their careers turn out?

Bo was 19 won draws and amazed 25 pts in 68 games. Led our team in playoff scoring.

 

What's gadj done at 23

[coryberg]

7 hours ago, 73 Percent said:

Bo was 19 won draws and amazed 25 pts in 68 games. Led our team in playoff scoring.

 

What's gadj done at 23

8 games 1 point and a -4

[Penskih]

 

Did pretty well against some tough players. Still annoyed we lost him for nothing. 

[The Lock]

On 11/16/2021 at 2:26 AM, filthycanuck said:

Funny, Bo Horvat started in our 4th line, so did Kesler and has done nothing of significance prior to that, howd their careers turn out?

I don't see how what you're saying proves much of anything. A lot of players start on the 4th line. Some make it while many more do not. Comparing Gadj to 2 exceptional players (who are really the exception to the rule) says absolutely nothing since all you're doing is selectively picking a small sliver of context and ignoring the full picture.

 

It's like if I told you someone with 1 post on this board was going to be a good poster because we have people like Vintage who started with 1 post.... like what? lol

Edited November 17, 2021 by The Lock

[JeremyCuddles]

On 11/16/2021 at 11:52 AM, coryberg said:

8 games 1 point and a -4

In comparison, how have Bailey and Lammikko looked in their games? No need to answer that. Gadjovich has outproduced both of them combined in fewer games while being a physical presence. Oh, and MacEwen also has outscored both Bailey and Lammikko and again, adds that physical presence. And since you introduced +/-  Lammikko is a -6, Bailey is a -4 and Dowling is a -3. On a team that started it's rebuild before San Jose. Dowling is outscoring him though, so a plus?

 

Is their loss huge? No. But would our 4th line look better with them. I'd argue yes. Lammikko, Bailey and Dowling aren't producing just like MacEwen and Gadjovich aren't, but those 2 are bringing a physical edge the other 3 combined don't bring. Lammikko I can live with since he's a center, albeit a meh one. But we shoulda waived Dowling and just not signed Chiasson way before we waived Gadjovich and MacEwen. Now we have a not producing 4th line, that's getting scored on, and isn't even causing trouble for the other team with the body.

 

I just find it weird that many of us complain about a lack of physicality, but when we waive and lose two tough guys that are young for nothing and replace them with 30+ year olds that barely have more pedigree than them now we're like "Well they aren't scoring so who cares?"

[coryberg]

3 hours ago, N7Nucks said:

In comparison, how have Bailey and Lammikko looked in their games? No need to answer that. Gadjovich has outproduced both of them combined in fewer games while being a physical presence. Oh, and MacEwen also has outscored both Bailey and Lammikko and again, adds that physical presence. And since you introduced +/-  Lammikko is a -6, Bailey is a -4 and Dowling is a -3. On a team that started it's rebuild before San Jose. Dowling is outscoring him though, so a plus?

 

Is their loss huge? No. But would our 4th line look better with them. I'd argue yes. Lammikko, Bailey and Dowling aren't producing just like MacEwen and Gadjovich aren't, but those 2 are bringing a physical edge the other 3 combined don't bring. Lammikko I can live with since he's a center, albeit a meh one. But we shoulda waived Dowling and just not signed Chiasson way before we waived Gadjovich and MacEwen. Now we have a not producing 4th line, that's getting scored on, and isn't even causing trouble for the other team with the body.

 

I just find it weird that many of us complain about a lack of physicality, but when we waive and lose two tough guys that are young for nothing and replace them with 30+ year olds that barely have more pedigree than them now we're like "Well they aren't scoring so who cares?"

All 3 of those players are not worth losing sleep over and definitely not worth complaining about. 

[erkayloomeh]

3 hours ago, N7Nucks said:

In comparison, how have Bailey and Lammikko looked in their games? No need to answer that. Gadjovich has outproduced both of them combined in fewer games while being a physical presence. Oh, and MacEwen also has outscored both Bailey and Lammikko and again, adds that physical presence. And since you introduced +/-  Lammikko is a -6, Bailey is a -4 and Dowling is a -3. On a team that started it's rebuild before San Jose. Dowling is outscoring him though, so a plus?

 

Is their loss huge? No. But would our 4th line look better with them. I'd argue yes. Lammikko, Bailey and Dowling aren't producing just like MacEwen and Gadjovich aren't, but those 2 are bringing a physical edge the other 3 combined don't bring. Lammikko I can live with since he's a center, albeit a meh one. But we shoulda waived Dowling and just not signed Chiasson way before we waived Gadjovich and MacEwen. Now we have a not producing 4th line, that's getting scored on, and isn't even causing trouble for the other team with the body.

 

I just find it weird that many of us complain about a lack of physicality, but when we waive and lose two tough guys that are young for nothing and replace them with 30+ year olds that barely have more pedigree than them now we're like "Well they aren't scoring so who cares?"

Our coach does not value that tough guy presence.  After 5 yrs I believe he doesn't even like that.

[filthycanuck]

15 hours ago, The Lock said:

I don't see how what you're saying proves much of anything. A lot of players start on the 4th line. Some make it while many more do not. Comparing Gadj to 2 exceptional players (who are really the exception to the rule) says absolutely nothing since all you're doing is selectively picking a small sliver of context and ignoring the full picture.

 

It's like if I told you someone with 1 post on this board was going to be a good poster because we have people like Vintage who started with 1 post.... like what? lol

How are they exception to the rule exactly? Were they sure fire all stars? NO they weren't. Fact is they got an actual shot in PLAYING with the big boys unlike Gadj who for some reason got overlooked for PTO caliber talents like Dowling, Chaisson who have no business being in the NHL. Chaisson didn't exactly light the preseason on fire and some may argue that Jonah had a better try out, with all that upside and to pick some scrub over him? Something is clearly wrong.

[The Lock]

8 hours ago, filthycanuck said:

How are they exception to the rule exactly? Were they sure fire all stars? NO they weren't. Fact is they got an actual shot in PLAYING with the big boys unlike Gadj who for some reason got overlooked for PTO caliber talents like Dowling, Chaisson who have no business being in the NHL. Chaisson didn't exactly light the preseason on fire and some may argue that Jonah had a better try out, with all that upside and to pick some scrub over him? Something is clearly wrong.

They are the exception to the rule because there are many more players who are given the chance and don't succeed. Don't forget about the Veys, the Hawrlyuks, the Goldobins, etc. There are far more of those situations where the players are given a very good chance but just don't succeed than there are the ones who actually succeed such as Horvat.

 

While I understand what you're saying about Gadj not being given a fair shot, I also hope you aren't expecting him to turn into another Horvat because, like I've said, those outcomes are not common at all. I get the frustration, I really do, but let's not be unrealistic about this at the same time. Two years ago, it looked like Gadj wasn't even going to make it at all.

 

Overall, it sucks what happened to Gadj, but to compare this to someone like Horvat is it's own silliness in my opinion.

Edited November 18, 2021 by The Lock

[Canuck Luck]

Wow...gadj was indispensible...

 

 

For comparison...

 

Sooo Highmore has done more than Gaj and Canuck fans want highmore shot into the sun.....lol

 

We lost nothing in Gadj imo.

 

Edited November 19, 2021 by Canuck Luck

[86Viking]

1 hour ago, Canuck Luck said:

 

We lost nothing in Gadj imo.

 

I agree with most of your stuff but you are dead wrong on this one imo. We lost Size and Grit with Gadjovich. Young Size and Grit I might add. Are we expecting him to be the next Lucic....I am sure some loonies are but I was just looking to see a young F with size potential make our lineup. A player who IS willing to drop the gloves and fight, that Bo skateby after Podkolzin hit was a sad sight...A former Captain in OEL knew he had to go and make it known it won't be tolerated, not that I expect him to fight but he didn't do a flyby from our so called Leader.

 

The NHL is a fast league, Gadj will probably always struggle to keep up. But, that is NOT what you have him on your team for... Could he have been a net front presence on a PP unit at some point?? I sure think so, but we have an idiot as a head coach and the team has regressed, tuned him out whatever has occured our coaching staff is garbage

[Me_]

3 hours ago, Canuckster86 said:

I agree with most of your stuff but you are dead wrong on this one imo. We lost Size and Grit with Gadjovich. Young Size and Grit I might add. Are we expecting him to be the next Lucic....I am sure some loonies are but I was just looking to see a young F with size potential make our lineup. A player who IS willing to drop the gloves and fight, that Bo skateby after Podkolzin hit was a sad sight...A former Captain in OEL knew he had to go and make it known it won't be tolerated, not that I expect him to fight but he didn't do a flyby from our so called Leader.

 

The NHL is a fast league, Gadj will probably always struggle to keep up. But, that is NOT what you have him on your team for... Could he have been a net front presence on a PP unit at some point?? I sure think so, but we have an idiot as a head coach and the team has regressed, tuned him out whatever has occured our coaching staff is garbage

Odjick for President!

 

Edited November 19, 2021 by Me_

[ShawnAntoski]

2 hours ago, Me_ said:

Odjick for President!

 

Perhaps, one day ?   How about a scout or something entry level.  I would love to see, Gino as part of the org; since they, Smyl to represent the 80's and Sedins' the 2000's; only thing, missing is the 90's.

 

Anyways, hope Gino is doing well !