[Extension] Panthers Barkov 8 years x $10M AAV

[JeremyCuddles]

1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Lets be real, Petey shouldn't be making more than Barkov on his next contract unless he greatly improves. Barkov is a point per game player and elite defensively. Barkov is used in all situations. Petey is just deployed offensively. But because we're Canadian and he's a tad overhyped he'll get comparable money. For it to be worth it Petey would either need to drastically improve defensively or average 90-100+ points a season. These next 3 seasons will be interesting for Petey.

[Ghostsof1915]

Bark at the moon! 

[ForzaTikare]

3 hours ago, AV. said:

Must be nice to be able to sign your stars for a maximum term  

Correct me if im wrong but isnt Barkovs last deal a shorter one?

[King Heffy]

13 minutes ago, ForzaTikare said:

Correct me if im wrong but isnt Barkovs last deal a shorter one?

No point on using logic with that poster.

[khay]

Fair deal. Honestly, Barkov > Matthews.

 

I was looking at TSN top 50, and there's no way that Matthews should be #3 on that list.

 

He isn't better than Kucherov, Vasileyvsky, Hedman, Barkov, and on and on.

 

Matthews is a great goal scorer but not a top 3 player in the game.

 

[mll]

2 hours ago, Patel Bure said:

I think you’re downplaying the strategy involved in signing both Petey and Hughes relative to other contracts on the team:

 

2022:
Boeser renewal 
Luongo off the cap $3M
 
2023:
Horvat, Miller, Hoglander renewals 
Hamonic $3M, Ferland $3.5, Holtby $1.9M, Virtanen $0.5M off the cap 
 
2024:
Petterson renewal
Pearson $3.25, Dickinson $2.65, Myers $6M off the cap
 
2027:
Hughes renewal
Ekman-Larson $7.26 off the cap

2022 - that Luongo cap will have to cover the increase in the buyout costs for Virtanen / Holtby - 550K to 2.4M + the Halak bonus as they are more than likely to be in LTIR.

 

2023 - They are not adding 3.5M if they've already been using up Ferland's 3.5M the previous seasons by putting him on LTIR. 

 

[HorvatToBaertschi]

This makes all the TO signings look even worse lol.

 

barkov is a phenomenal talent and this is a steal for florida. Hope they can do something meaningful ! 

[Screw]

5 hours ago, BPA said:

Bar has been set for EP next contract. 

You mean the Bar-kov.

[wai_lai416]

6 hours ago, BPA said:

Bar has been set for EP next contract. 

Too bad him and his agent prolly wont look at anything signed in the state of Florida as comparable since it's literally like 1-2mil higher take home than most cities if he were to sign that in vancouver that's close to 1.5mil less net after tax per year. 12 mil over the course of the contract 

[AV.]

1 hour ago, ForzaTikare said:

Correct me if im wrong but isnt Barkovs last deal a shorter one?

Which matters how?

EP is a star now.  He doesn't have to prove anything and there's no reason we shouldn't have tried for a long-term deal.  Plain and simple, we couldn't afford one.

[ForzaTikare]

21 minutes ago, AV. said:

Which matters how?

EP is a star now.  He doesn't have to prove anything and there's no reason we shouldn't have tried for a long-term deal.  Plain and simple, we couldn't afford one.

Barkov was pretty much a big name 6 years ago aswell.. There were no cap space for a 8year deal with EP.. That should easily be somewhere around 8.5-9m i'd say..

[DeNiro]

I think the comparables for stars are there now.

 

Players like McDavid and Matthews are in their own tier making 11-13 mil.

 

On the next tier if you’re a 80-90 point player 10 mil seems to be the going salary.

 

Good chance Petey lands in the 9-10 mil range when his contracts up.

[captainhorvat]

EP40 calling his agent…

[IBatch]

2 hours ago, AV. said:

Which matters how?

EP is a star now.  He doesn't have to prove anything and there's no reason we shouldn't have tried for a long-term deal.  Plain and simple, we couldn't afford one.

Yes poor us.  Instead of paying EP 10 now we get to enjoy three years of cost deference, then sign him for 8 more ... and enjoy Miller while we have him.   Sucks to be us.    Wouldn't it be worse if we didn't have him at all to complain about? 

Edited October 8, 2021 by IBatch

[hammertime]

2 hours ago, AV. said:

Which matters how?

EP is a star now.  He doesn't have to prove anything and there's no reason we shouldn't have tried for a long-term deal.  Plain and simple, we couldn't afford one.

Look at it like this if he is worth that then...... Well great...... For now we have him for less so thats pretty good....No?

[Patel Bure]

5 hours ago, Alflives said:

How many teams with even one 10 million dollar player have won the Cup?  Now the Panthers have two.  

It’s not so much the cap hit but the overall C.H. Percentage relative to the salary cap.  But to your point, you are correct.  When you look at all of the cup winning teams since Chicago 2010, their top players generally had cap hits that were lower than market value which allowed said teams to invest heavier in depth.  
 

Teams with elite talents at below market value + depth have typically annihilated top heavy teams occupying a high C.H percentage. That’s the real Boston model by the way.  It’s. Not being 6’3 230 lbs and being able to blow men into the boards.  Some places like Tampa will have a natural advantage since taxes there are much lower. 

[Alflives]

13 minutes ago, Patel Bure said:

It’s not so much the cap hit but the overall C.H. Percentage relative to the salary cap.  But to your point, you are correct.  When you look at all of the cup winning teams since Chicago 2010, their top players generally had cap hits that were lower than market value which allowed said teams to invest heavier in depth.  
 

Teams with elite talents at below market value + depth have typically annihilated top heavy teams occupying a high C.H percentage. That’s the real Boston model by the way.  It’s. Not being 6’3 230 lbs and being able to blow men into the boards.  Some places like Tampa will have a natural advantage since taxes there are much lower. 

Barkov is a great player.  If Matthews and Marner are 11, then Barkov is a steal at 10.  Still, 10 is that number to stay under.  

[JM_]

1 minute ago, Alflives said:

Barkov is a great player.  If Matthews and Marner are 11, then Barkov is a steal at 10.  Still, 10 is that number to stay under.  

Marner is a disappearing act in the playoffs. Its amazing how someone can be ppg in the regular season and a consistent playoff dud.

[Alflives]

Just now, JM_ said:

Marner is a disappearing act in the playoffs. Its amazing how someone can be ppg in the regular season and a consistent playoff dud.

Yup.  Barkov is a much better player than MM.  Leafs have a totally messed up cap.  Panthers have Barkov as their top paid skater at 10.  That Goalie Bob number (10) is ugly though. 

[VancouverHabitant]

7 hours ago, Patel Bure said:

I like the way Benning handled things.  A three year deal will not only allow for Petey to prove that he’s worth that money (ie staying healthy), but three years might allow the NHL to recover financially from Covid, which can allow for the cap to increase (and in effect, allow the Canucks to give 10 million AAV at a lower overall C.H. percentage relative to the overall cap).

To put it into perspective, we have alloted 7.35 x 3 = 22 mil so far for Petey.  

 

People were wanting to sign him to a 6 year x 9.5 mil deal = 57 mil total.  

 

57 - 22 = 35...  35/3 = 11.7 

 

So by getting him to sign for a reasonable 3 year deal, we can offer him 11.7 mil/year on a 3 year deal for his next contract and still come out even as if we had signed him to a 6 year deal worth 9.5.