The Official Travis Green Thread to end all Travis Green Threads

[tas]

if one goes, both go. benning has used all his lives, and you don't tell an incoming gm that he's stuck with a coach he didn't choose. 

 

which is why unless this team is bottom of the league by christmas, nothing will happen before the offseason. 

[Nucker 67]

Why would Benning be fired? He improved this team a lot.

 

Green just doesn't know what to do with all of that talent.

 

 

[PhillipBlunt]

3 minutes ago, Mike Vanderhoek said:

Trotz was not fired though, he chose a different path and different dollars then he could have taken to remain in Washington, he was set on leaving the team.

 

Green has shown an average production a the NHL level, I would argue he has squeezed a lot out of some players and it bears repeating for the people in the back of the room, its 8 games in to the season, the room has not been lost lol.

Fair enough. It was a contract dispute. I stand corrected. 

 

Green has developed some players, but his approach overall is lacking. The team is still showing signs of apathy (slow, lifeless starts and a lack of engagement) that can't merely be attributed to "8 games in to the season" in my opinion. 

[PhillipBlunt]

7 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

Why would Benning be fired? He improved this team a lot.

 

Green just doesn't know what to do with all of that talent.

 

 

I think if the team misses the playoffs, he's done. If Green fails to get the team there, I can't see how Benning gets a third coaching change. 

[hammertime]

Is there a Pete option? When your franchise player comes in and stinks up the joint.  Is it the coach or is it Bock and Pete have 6 points in 8 games combined. Is the coach not getting enough out of them or are they dropping the ball. IMO despite standing in the shooter spot during O zone possession and all PP Pete he seems to never be ready to take the pass in his wheel house. Is it coaching or him just not being n'sync.

 

Green is gonna go Bye Bye Bye! And really IMO its a few of our players who should be looking in the mirror. 

[nuckin_futz]

[Quinn Huges]

I wish them both a happy halloween 

[VegasCanuck]

Got news for you, we are a LONG way from either of these guys getting fired.

[250Integra]

9 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said:

Got news for you, we are a LONG way from either of these guys getting fired.

April is only six months away 

[NewbieCanuckFan]

1 hour ago, Mike Vanderhoek said:

Trotz was not fired though, he chose a different path and different dollars then he could have taken to remain in Washington, he was set on leaving the team.

Meaning the Caps owner was too cheap to re-sign a head coach that helped bring them the Cup.  Would it really have been that expensive to re-up him?  (all that playoff revenue from that Cup win year went mostly to the owner's pockets as the players salaries end when the regular season ends - barring SOME playoff bonuses).

 

The Jerry Jones defense:  I can hire anybody to coach this team & still win (lol, granted, Switzer did win but that's largely a result of just how talented that Cowboys team was).

Edited October 29, 2021 by NewbieCanuckFan

[AV.]

Hearing they're going to storm down to FA's office and resign together as they've realized the fight against billionaires starts with them.

Pretty courageous stuff.

[Johnny Torts]

Yeah i don't see how Pettersson, Boeser, Garland, Hughes, OEL, Miller, Pearson, etc cant manage to score more than 1 goal in 60 minutes....

 

Bailey looked amazing before his injury last season and he's been looking like a player lately, maybe he needs some more looks. Big body that we could've slotted on the PP instead of Chiasson. 

 

PP 2 gets a good look for 15 seconds then its back to PP1.

 

Laying 40+ hits last game and other games nothing.

 

Playing Halak while a worked philly team is coming into town and us losing 48 hours prior. 

 

 

[Devron]

Who cares. Get a grip lol

[NHL'er]

Green, then Benning and then the fans. 

[EdgarM]

10 hours ago, davidgoliath said:

Cory Hirsch wondered whether there is an issue in the room. There does not seem to be cohesion in the team. A caller pointed out that Schmidt (who seemed like a happy guy) wanted a trade out of Vancouver quite quickly. Something is not right either between some players or between coaches and players.

I have been saying this for awhile now and it appears to be getting worse, the Stars haven't played like this since they gave up on Torts years ago. 

There is something going on and just like Schmidt, other players will likely want to jump ship and that is BS. 

Who's next, Garland? Petey? Boeser? 

Green should never have been resigned and I think those that didn't see it before, are seeing it now.  

[Ghostsof1915]

1 hour ago, wallstreetamigo said:

Should have hired Gerard Gallant before the Rangers scooped him up.

Well they didn't so cross that off. 

[D-Money]

In general, I used to be pro-Green. He seemed to be a good development coach, and 3 Calder finalists in a row attested to that.

 

However, I have noticed a disturbing trend. In general, our core players played their best hockey in the first half of the first season under Green:

• Pettersson's rookie year, first half was phenomenal, faded down the stretch, now looks like a shell of his former self
• Miller shot out of a cannon his first year here, but has been lost since last season
• Hughes' rookie season was so much better than last year, still trying to recapture it
• Boeser had a bounceback last year, but still his most productive season was his rookie one, don't know if he would have faded too because of the injury
• Hoglander was fantastic last season, having trouble recapturing it right now
• Pearson was fantastic when he came over in the trade, and the beginning of the following season, but has been pretty 'meh' since

Early this season, these players haven't been our most important players. Besides Demko and Horvat, who has? The new guys, OEL and Garland. They are a major reason that we got the wins we did...guys in the first half of the first season under Green.

 

Now, there's one exception to this timeframe, that is also telling: the Bubble. Many of these same players had a fantastic playoffs in the bubble. But what was unique about that? They had all had months to train on their own, away from the Canucks' coaching staff.

 

Even if you take a former core player, like Tanev. His numbers had been declining for years, so most of us (myself included) assumed it was age-related decline. But then, after having a few months of training on his own, he seemed like prime Tanev in the bubble, even better. And last season in Calgary, he had possibly the best season of his career, playing like a legitimate top-pairing defenseman. So was it age-related decline, or Green-related decline?

 

I'm not a Benning fan overall, but it seems clear to me that there is a major issue with the coaching staff. Not only do I doubt that they'll ever be able to win, I question their ability to be even good for development.

[mll]

1 hour ago, Ajax- said:

Did I see Claude Julien behind the Philly bench? Nice looking PP

Michel Therrien - not Julien.

[IBatch]

1 hour ago, NUCKER67 said:

Why would Benning be fired? He improved this team a lot.

 

Green just doesn't know what to do with all of that talent.

 

 

If he has to fire Green, that's his last card.   If the new coach comes in and does about the same or worse JB is done in Vancouver that simple.   

[JayDangles]

1 hour ago, Mike Vanderhoek said:

 

Have we paid attention the past several years here in Vancouver ? the amount of crap that has gone on and the multiple endorsements by ownership in these two individuals, the time is now and beyond to see the team produce for sure. But again we are 8 games into the season, the team plays in a weak division and they have not been tire fire terrible........I don't foresee either getting fired in the next couple of seasons so......

Yes... yes they have. Not sure what games you're watching but we have been outplayed in every game save for Detroit, which we lost. We've also lost the ability to "steal" games we shouldn't have. There are a lot of problems with this team well beyond the slow start for Petey.