The Official Travis Green Thread to end all Travis Green Threads

[DIBdaQUIB]

1 hour ago, Kurgom said:

Boeser was our best player in the last half of the third period, so maybe it worked. If we scored on a single PP we probably win or lose in a shootout. The PP has been atrocious for years now and some blame for it goes to green for sure.

we are ranked 32nd in the league for offense generated 5v5.  Can't blame the PP even though it sucks  bad.

[DIBdaQUIB]

47 minutes ago, *Buzzsaw* said:

Here's the bad news:

 

Green has just been signed to a two year extension.

 

So the earliest I think he gets fired is end of season.

 

And even if he gets fired mid-season, a new coach would not have time to teach a new system.

 

Green should have been gone in the summer to give a new coach time to put his ideas into practice.

If they fire him mid=season, it mean this clown show continues and the season is lost.  DO you think Aquaman is going to be okay with that? After he bought out players and spent to the cap to bring in new talent, he will just write off another season without playoffs? 

[wallstreetamigo]

1 minute ago, DIBdaQUIB said:

If they fire him mid=season, it mean this clown show continues and the season is lost.  DO you think Aquaman is going to be okay with that? After he bought out players and spent to the cap to bring in new talent, he will just write off another season without playoffs? 

That’s why they should fire him now. So the new coach has time to turn the ship around.

[DIBdaQUIB]

Just now, wallstreetamigo said:

That’s why they should fire him now. So the new coach has time to turn the ship around.

Firing Green is Benning's last move as  GM.  It will take Aquaman to get involved.  I wonder if he will.

[davidgoliath]

Cory Hirsch wondered whether there is an issue in the room. There does not seem to be cohesion in the team. A caller pointed out that Schmidt (who seemed like a happy guy) wanted a trade out of Vancouver quite quickly. Something is not right either between some players or between coaches and players.

[wallstreetamigo]

13 minutes ago, DIBdaQUIB said:

Firing Green is Benning's last move as  GM.  It will take Aquaman to get involved.  I wonder if he will.

I don’t see how Benning even has that move left. It seems pretty rare for GM’s to get 3 coach hires without taking the bullet.

 

I think Benning, Weisbrod, Green, Baumgartner, King, and any other coach not named Clark or Shaw need to all be fired now. The team needs a new set of eyes and new voices to take over.

 

Hire a respected hockey guy as PoHO. Say Jim Rutherford. He can be interim GM while he finds an experienced guy who is the right fit for the job. Shaw as interim coach will be fine with a couple of assistants he wants.

 

I have heard all the excuses to keep them. Like wasting another year, it takes too long to learn new systems, etc. It’s all bull$&!#. The way this group is playing now a clean sweep at the top is going to clearly shake them out of whatever apathy they are playing with and any new systems are clearly going to be a step up and likely embraced.

 

I have never seen a group of nhl players look this miserable and frustrated. It’s clear they want a coaching change at the very least.

Edited October 29, 2021 by wallstreetamigo

[Dirtman]

Horvat and Miller made some comments last year about just having to buy into the system. 

 

I think they've given up on the system. I think I'm finally on the Fire Green train after tonight.

[DSVII]

4 minutes ago, davidgoliath said:

Cory Hirsch wondered whether there is an issue in the room. There does not seem to be cohesion in the team. A caller pointed out that Schmidt (who seemed like a happy guy) wanted a trade out of Vancouver quite quickly. Something is not right either between some players or between coaches and players.

There was speculation the Pearson extension was done because the room was still sour on losing Tanev, toffoli and stetcher , and if they let Pearson go too the relationship between the players and mgmt would have been untenable. Could be the group is still feeling the effects of that mistake letting them walk.

[Ronaldoescobar]

As long as a mentor 

[wallstreetamigo]

1 minute ago, DSVII said:

There was speculation the Pearson extension was done because the room was still sour on losing Tanev, toffoli and stetcher , and if they let Pearson go too the relationship between the players and mgmt would have been untenable. Could be the group is still feeling the effects of that mistake letting them walk.

Keeping Pearson was the mistake. Good player but Green has not once pulled him and Horvat apart. He is zoned in in that having to be a pair and it’s missing opportunities for Bo to help get other players going IMO.

[24K PureCool]

13 minutes ago, davidgoliath said:

Cory Hirsch wondered whether there is an issue in the room. There does not seem to be cohesion in the team. A caller pointed out that Schmidt (who seemed like a happy guy) wanted a trade out of Vancouver quite quickly. Something is not right either between some players or between coaches and players.

The only player I can think if that can be a locker cancer right now is Miller. His sometime childish antics maybe rubbing off the wring way with the other players.

 

I mean Horvat is Horvat, he ain't gonna go too high or too low. Same goes for Demko. Brock, Petey, and Hughes looks to be the quiet type. Hogs, Myers and Pearson are wild cards but doesn't seem like people that will anger or annoy anyone. Everyone else is new to the team or. It even with the team right now. 

Edited October 29, 2021 by 24K PureCool

[wai_lai416]

never liked him since he was first hired.. but i guess was ok with it since he was prolly just a transition coach.. he was praised for his work in utica and the prospects?? where are any of the prospects from utica? he was suppose to be good with young players? yet he chooses vets over young guy every chance he gets.. his coaching sux his philosophy sux his time out usage sux and i can't stand the smirk on his face when complaining to the ref. 

[SlyZen16]

This team ain't going far with Green behind the bench. I give him until the 20 game mark to turn it around. I'd rather it be sooner rather than later though...

[AlwaysACanuckFan]

Having Motte, Sutter and Hamonic out of the lineup could be a factor, plus this team is not going to go far if Pettersson doesn't get going. 

[Elias Pettersson]

50 minutes ago, *Buzzsaw* said:

As an example of how Green squeezes the creativity out of his players... look at his benching of Garland tonight.

 

Garland has been the life and spark of the team in these first games of the season... but obviously Green decided Garland made some unforgiveable error so he benched him.  (probably being on the ice when a goal was scored)

 

Instead of giving Garland the opportunity to make up for his mistake, he staples him to the bench.

 

So Garland next game will be looking over his shoulder and second guessing himself.

 

Same thing happened with Hooglander after his first year... when he was a spark for the team... now he is no where near that player... Green crushed his creativity.

The entire Horvat line was on for that goal as well as OEL and Myers.  Out of the five the only player benched is our leading scorer.

 

What you are saying is 100% correct.  The players are looking around asking themselves what the F is going on here, this coach has no clue what he is doing, he is benching guys for one mistake, he takes all the creativity out of the players because they are afraid to screw up and get benched, the power play is the same old PP from years ago with zero creativity.

 

At the end of the day Benning made major player changes to this team in the summer and the team is still playing the same way it has always played under Green.  No amount of player changes is going to make this team better because Green sucks the life out of everyone.  Even McDavid would struggle in Green's system.

 

I know alot people want to fire Benning because he is the one who re-signed Green, but most likely alot of that decision had to do with Aquilini not wanting to spend millions to hire a real coach.

 

Francesco was frustrated tonight.  That really means he knows he screwed up by keeping Green and was most likely on the phone throwing F bombs at Benning and telling him to make sure Green never shows up to the rink again.  I think something is up from that tweet.  Franceso never tweets after a loss, especially in that tone.  There is one pissed off Italian in Vancouver right now.  Let's see what happens.

Edited October 29, 2021 by Elias Pettersson

[fanfor42]

125 - 132 - 32

 

Four years.

 

Not good.

 

3 - 4 - 1 so far this year.

 

Not a good coach. Not a good record. Nothing has changed in the last 4 years.

 

Past time to move on to a coach that inspires this team to do better.

[Barefoot]

1 hour ago, *Buzzsaw* said:

Anybody who wants an answer to the OP's question should have been watching the Philly game closely.

 

At a certain point in the 3rd, you could see Brock Boeser on the bench, who is the most easy going guy in the world and a decent person, muttering to himself after Green said something stupid to him.

 

So if you think that was a nothing... ok.

Yup, saw that.  He said 'why?", or "what?"  twice, and shook his head to himself.  Wasn't sure if it was Green or another coach he was talking with, but, yes, prob was Green.  Not a good look.  Probably not going for beers after the game together.

[ShawnAntoski]

14 hours ago, Toyotasfan said:

I was sad last season when the Canucks resigned Green, it was a great time to end it cleanly. Now it’s going to get to a really low point .

I would assume that JB, didn't want to let Green go due to his mistakes.  Hence, he recreated the roster to give him a deeper roster to work; but - Green & friends can't seem to deliver.

Edited October 29, 2021 by ShawnAntoski

[ShawnAntoski]

2 hours ago, *Buzzsaw* said:

I said that Boeser was playing well in the PGT thread... I agree with you... he was playing hard.

 

But his efforts were all solo efforts.... he wasn't playing in coordination with his linemates... and that is a result of Green's failure to coach the team.

Yeah, lots of individual play tonight...

[Kurgom]

21 minutes ago, Barefoot said:

Yup, saw that.  He said 'why?", or "what?"  twice, and shook his head to himself.  Wasn't sure if it was Green or another coach he was talking with, but, yes, prob was Green.  Not a good look.  Probably not going for beers after the game together.

Was at the game and the few times Boeser was on the ice in the third he was playing in a completely refreshing way compared to ther est of the team.  He actually skated with the puck and gained the zone. The few flashes of offense were off of rushes like this, until we started to just dump the puck and pass pass pass.

 

Players won't play for a coach they think is stupid. Goalies don't even react to half the passes made in the offensive zone because they know they're not going to shoot. Everyone can see Green doesn't have a decent handle on the modern NHL game and is stifling this team's talent. This is a league where the best goal scorer of all time consistently ignored coaching orders in his early career to stay on the ice and score goals.

 

Players are too good to be told how to play when it's been obvious for a while the coaches don't know what they're doing. The players see what other teams are doing better than us fans can, they are going to be the first ones to call foul if some old man who wouldn't last a second in the modern NHL in his prime is forcing the team to play in an obsolete way.