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Hey ya'll

 

So with the way the team is structured, in my opinion this is the best team since 2011. But, saying that, there are still a couple holes that I see. I think our depth is great, but we're lacking some edge in our bottom 6. A player that teeters on the line of dirty/clean. The kind of players like Torres, Lapierre, Hansen and how they were essential for our 2011 cup run. Here are a couple options I see, with teams I think won't be in the mix come trade deadline. 

 

Ryan Hartman - His contract alone is a steal for what he brings. He plays an aggressive two way, in your face type of game. He's not afraid to drop the gloves, he's got skill, always pissing the other team off and I think he would change the dynamic of our bottom 6. 

 

Nick Paul - Pending Ufa, plays a heavy game, doesn't fight too much, but man he was great at the past world championship. He has some scoring upside and If we run in to injury troubles, he can slide up to the 3rd line and wouldn't hurt us. 

 

Austin Watson - gritty 4th line player, can hang with the heavyweights, would classify him more as a middleweight. Doesn't hurt you in your own zone, but definitely isn't going to provide much in terms of skill. I believe Ottawa used him on the penalty kill last year. 

 

Lawson Crouse - with him being young and getting an increased role on a bad team,  I would assume the yotes might want to hold on to him. Saying that, if he became available, he could be great for our 3rd line. 6'4 and 220, he plays like it and isn't your prototypical tough guy who can't play important minutes. Defensively responsible, good forechecker, yotes usually use him a lot when holding on to a lead and he seems to be developing each year in to a better scorer and overall player. 

 

Anyways, what are your thoughts? Do you agree on the outlook of our team or do you think we need make adjustments elsewhere?

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Nice ideas.

 

Firstly, let's remember we won't be banking any cap space this season as we are operating in LTIR relief, so any TDL additions to the roster have to fit under the cap at that time. This will be highly dependent on the Canuck's injury situation at the TDL. It's quite possible we will have some injuries providing LTIR relief.

 

Out of your suggestions I like the idea of Nick Paul the most. I would be keen on trading for someone like him, especially if Sutter is out for the season. We need more center depth imo. I think Paul would be a better 3C than Dickinson, so if we could get him the bottom 6 would become:

 

Hoglander Paul Podkolzin

Motte Dickinson Lammikko

 

Paul has better offense than Dickinson and is better on the faceoff dot. He is also an excellent defender.

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1 hour ago, BigTramFan said:

Nice ideas.

 

Firstly, let's remember we won't be banking any cap space this season as we are operating in LTIR relief, so any TDL additions to the roster have to fit under the cap at that time. This will be highly dependent on the Canuck's injury situation at the TDL. It's quite possible we will have some injuries providing LTIR relief.

 

Out of your suggestions I like the idea of Nick Paul the most. I would be keen on trading for someone like him, especially if Sutter is out for the season. We need more center depth imo. I think Paul would be a better 3C than Dickinson, so if we could get him the bottom 6 would become:

 

Hoglander Paul Podkolzin

Motte Dickinson Lammikko

 

Paul has better offense than Dickinson and is better on the faceoff dot. He is also an excellent defender.

I wouldnt complain with anybody listed, my number 1 choice would be Hartman though. I think he would be the best fit and become an instant fan favourite. He can play center or wing. Hoping Sutts gets better, but in this case if he doesn't, this would be a great replacement. 

 

Miller - Pete - Boeser

Pearson - Bo - Garland 

Hoglander - Hartman - Podkolzin 

Motte - Dickinson - Chiasson 

 

Lammikko and Highmore are the extras. 

 

That's a really good bottom 6 in my opinion. I think that has the potential to be a contender lineup. Speed, skill, tenacity, two way play. 

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2 hours ago, KKnight said:

I wouldnt complain with anybody listed, my number 1 choice would be Hartman though. I think he would be the best fit and become an instant fan favourite. He can play center or wing. Hoping Sutts gets better, but in this case if he doesn't, this would be a great replacement. 

 

Miller - Pete - Boeser

Pearson - Bo - Garland 

Hoglander - Hartman - Podkolzin 

Motte - Dickinson - Chiasson 

 

Lammikko and Highmore are the extras. 

 

That's a really good bottom 6 in my opinion. I think that has the potential to be a contender lineup. Speed, skill, tenacity, two way play. 


Hartman took a paycut to stay in Minnesota.  The Wild were not going to qualify him as he would have exceeded what they could pay, but he decided to sign before it got to that point.  They will need cheap players with their upcoming cap crunch.  It will probably take an overpayment to get him out of Minnesota.  Guerin likes him and he fits their team well.  The Wild fully expect to be competitive this season and be in the playoffs. 

 

 

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Totally agree depth players can make the difference between a cup contending team and an also-ran. Assuming competing teams each have quality first and second lines, the type of players who fill-out the third and fourth lines typically stand out as difference-makers in a run for the Stanley Cup. I believe the Canucks are better than last year in this respect, however as the season goes on I am certain managementt will be on the lookout to tweak the team.  

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10 hours ago, KKnight said:

Hey ya'll

 

So with the way the team is structured, in my opinion this is the best team since 2011. But, saying that, there are still a couple holes that I see. I think our depth is great, but we're lacking some edge in our bottom 6. A player that teeters on the line of dirty/clean. The kind of players like Torres, Lapierre, Hansen and how they were essential for our 2011 cup run. Here are a couple options I see, with teams I think won't be in the mix come trade deadline. 

 

Ryan Hartman - His contract alone is a steal for what he brings. He plays an aggressive two way, in your face type of game. He's not afraid to drop the gloves, he's got skill, always pissing the other team off and I think he would change the dynamic of our bottom 6. 

 

Nick Paul - Pending Ufa, plays a heavy game, doesn't fight too much, but man he was great at the past world championship. He has some scoring upside and If we run in to injury troubles, he can slide up to the 3rd line and wouldn't hurt us. 

 

Austin Watson - gritty 4th line player, can hang with the heavyweights, would classify him more as a middleweight. Doesn't hurt you in your own zone, but definitely isn't going to provide much in terms of skill. I believe Ottawa used him on the penalty kill last year. 

 

Lawson Crouse - with him being young and getting an increased role on a bad team,  I would assume the yotes might want to hold on to him. Saying that, if he became available, he could be great for our 3rd line. 6'4 and 220, he plays like it and isn't your prototypical tough guy who can't play important minutes. Defensively responsible, good forechecker, yotes usually use him a lot when holding on to a lead and he seems to be developing each year in to a better scorer and overall player. 

 

Anyways, what are your thoughts? Do you agree on the outlook of our team or do you think we need make adjustments elsewhere?

Maybe the best team since 2012.  

 

Keep in mind that our 2011-2012, while not quite as good as the year prior, still won the Presidents' trophy with 111 points (6 points shy of their previous 2011).  

 

I like our current team a lot but that 2012 team, when healthy, would have spanked our current team quite handily.  A healthy Daniel Sedin that year and we might have been able to defeat the Kings as well.

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8 hours ago, Heretic said:

We lost to Detroit. 

Need more than a "depth player or two" - need the existing players to step it up a notch.

......it was our 3rd game and 4th night.  

 

All teams in the league lose to inferior teams throughout the season. 

 

C'mon man.  :-/

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1 hour ago, Patel Bure said:

......it was our 3rd game and 4th night.  

 

All teams in the league lose to inferior teams throughout the season. 

 

C'mon man.  :-/

It's the start of the season, players can't be tired, sorry, no excuse for these millionaires - they are athletes that worked all summer to stay in shape - are you saying that they should give back some of their huge salaries cause they can't give it 100% every game?  

 

C'mon man - that's what they are paid for.

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1 hour ago, Heretic said:

It's the start of the season, players can't be tired, sorry, no excuse for these millionaires - they are athletes that worked all summer to stay in shape - are you saying that they should give back some of their huge salaries cause they can't give it 100% every game?  

 

C'mon man - that's what they are paid for.

Even if we want to agree to disagree on the above point, didn’t the Canucks outshoot Detroit like 40-21 or something insane?  Greiss had a solid game.  Without that performance, Nucks steamroll Detroit.

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2 hours ago, Heretic said:

It's the start of the season, players can't be tired, sorry, no excuse for these millionaires - they are athletes that worked all summer to stay in shape - are you saying that they should give back some of their huge salaries cause they can't give it 100% every game?  

 

C'mon man - that's what they are paid for.

Same could be said for Detroit players.  Don't put Detroit in the same category as Arizona and Buffalo. 

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