mll Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 10 minutes ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said: Uh oh, we have duelling sources. CapFriendly vs Puckpedia, who will win? (I might have a look at the CBA for clarity later on, but have no time right now.) CapFriendly. Exhibit 1 - standard player contract on page 318 of the CBA. 14. The Club may also terminate this SPC upon written notice to the Player (but only after obtaining Waivers from all other Clubs) if the Player shall at any time: (a) fail, refuse, or neglect to obey the Club's rules governing training and conduct of Players, if such failure, refusal or neglect should constitute a material breach of this SPC. (b) fail, refuse or neglect to render his services hereunder or in any other manner materially breach this SPC. In the event of termination under Paragraph 14(a) or (b) the Player shall only be entitled to compensation due to him to the earlier of the date such notice is personally delivered to him or the date such notice is e-mailed to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuckFather Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 1 hour ago, AV. said: Capfriendly yooo It's obvious you are unable to read or understand the info on Capfriendly 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballisticsports. Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 2 hours ago, 24K PureCool said: Well he is not getting paid his millions so a pretty big punishment anyway you slice it. Not Punishment It is Hamonics choosing to stay home while not injured from playing hockey Maybe he has life insurance policy with his millions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K PureCool Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 8 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Let the speculations continue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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24K PureCool Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Just now, ba;;isticsports said: Not Punishment It is Hamonics choosing to stay home while not injured from playing hockey Maybe he has life insurance policy with his millions? Don't get hung up on semantics. The point was to counter the argument that this is a cap move. That is only kosher if Hamonic continue to get paid while the cap space is cleared which is not the case. Also for not reporting as specified in the terms of the contract is in breach of it and therefore the punishment for not holding oneself to the term of the contract is suspension of pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sell.the.team Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 is this a vaccine issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 I really appreciate how the club has circled the wagons around Hamonic - whatever his situation is. Looks like he’s doing them a favour back by agreeing to this. I also note how the situation is driving the lunatic fringe on Twitter absolutely crazy. They love to get on the right side of social justice issues while crapping all over the club - something they can’t do in this situation. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 10 minutes ago, ilduce39 said: I really appreciate how the club has circled the wagons around Hamonic - whatever his situation is. Looks like he’s doing them a favour back by agreeing to this. I also note how the situation is driving the lunatic fringe on Twitter absolutely crazy. They love to get on the right side of social justice issues while crapping all over the club - something they can’t do in this situation. Oddly listening to Tom Cochrane right now as I read this. Lunatic Fringe up next... Good luck to Travis speaking to the actual topic. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Provost Posted October 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2021 8 minutes ago, ilduce39 said: I really appreciate how the club has circled the wagons around Hamonic - whatever his situation is. Looks like he’s doing them a favour back by agreeing to this. I also note how the situation is driving the lunatic fringe on Twitter absolutely crazy. They love to get on the right side of social justice issues while crapping all over the club - something they can’t do in this situation. That seems kind of like nonsense. He isn't doing them any favours at all. He isn't reporting to play and that is a material breach of his contract that could result in terminating it. It is the Canucks doing HIM a favour by granting a leave of absence rather than terminating his contract. Hamonic has no option where he doesn't agree to a leave and puts the screws to the Canucks. If the story doesn't end up that someone in his immediate family is direly ill, and it is the reported Covid protocol stuff... then the guy screwed us by not opting out of the season so we could backfill him at some point. If it was an illness in the family there isn't much reason the agent wouldn't have made a generic statement to that effect. In PR you only stay quiet when speaking is more damaging than what is out there already. 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Canuck Surfer Posted October 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2021 17 minutes ago, The.Burrowers said: is this a vaccine issue? 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuporbust Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 3 hours ago, kanucks25 said: Wasn't this always the plan? More for cap implications than any sort of "punishment". Someone correct me if I'm wrong. No it wasn't. Benning said multiple times " hamonic would be here". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SilentSam Posted October 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2021 1 hour ago, JM_ said: who needs toughness when Garland can deliver head shots with his butt? That should have been Garlands reply to Zadinas comments “ I would have told Zadina to kiss my butt, but he already did” 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 1 minute ago, SilentSam said: That should have been Garlands reply to Zadinas comments “ I would have told Zadina to kiss my butt, but he already did” LOL so good 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 28 minutes ago, mll said: CapFriendly. Exhibit 1 - standard player contract on page 318 of the CBA. 14. The Club may also terminate this SPC upon written notice to the Player (but only after obtaining Waivers from all other Clubs) if the Player shall at any time: (a) fail, refuse, or neglect to obey the Club's rules governing training and conduct of Players, if such failure, refusal or neglect should constitute a material breach of this SPC. (b) fail, refuse or neglect to render his services hereunder or in any other manner materially breach this SPC. In the event of termination under Paragraph 14(a) or (b) the Player shall only be entitled to compensation due to him to the earlier of the date such notice is personally delivered to him or the date such notice is e-mailed to him. I suppose it’s moot for the time being (with the club now announcing a “temporary leave of absence”), but it would seem mutual termination remains an arrow in the Canucks’ quiver, should they eventually need to use it. Hopefully it doesn’t come to that, and they can use this time to work out a solution that’s acceptable to both parties, and within league guidelines, that allows Hamonic to return to the team, and play the full remaining schedule (home and away). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Provost said: That seems kind of like nonsense. He isn't doing them any favours at all. He isn't reporting to play and that is a material breach of his contract that could result in terminating it. It is the Canucks doing HIM a favour by granting a leave of absence rather than terminating his contract. Hamonic has no option where he doesn't agree to a leave and puts the screws to the Canucks. If the story doesn't end up that someone in his immediate family is direly ill, and it is the reported Covid protocol stuff... then the guy screwed us by not opting out of the season so we could backfill him at some point. If it was an illness in the family there isn't much reason the agent wouldn't have made a generic statement to that effect. In PR you only stay quiet when speaking is more damaging than what is out there already. I agree the Canucks have stepped up more for Hamonic than he has for them - absolutely. But I’m also confident they don’t care about retaining him for the 2nd year of his deal - (I think they really wanted him THIS year, though.). Now that the possibility seems gone for this season, I think they’d rip it up if they could / if it wouldn’t be a PR nightmare. I dunno. I feel like there’s a bit more to it than meets the eye. At the very least they feel like they can’t terminate the contract and need to keep an eye on next season. This of course aside from the possibility that Hamonic and/or his family are going through something that warrants this kind of rope. Which could still very well be the case. As for timing, I’m not sure any teams are looking to trade away 2nd pairing (or even really good 3rd pairing) d men before the season… Hamonic’s situation stings but I doubt this delay makes a big difference in finding a replacement. We have a chance towards the deadline at fitting someone in now, though, if he still doesn’t report. Edited October 18, 2021 by ilduce39 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayDangles Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 2 hours ago, RakuRaku said: So.............. does that mean we now have some cap$ to bring in a quality D-man to replace Hung/Schenn on the active roster?? Thats pretty personal. Good for him though.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 1 minute ago, JayDangles said: Thats pretty personal. Good for him though.. Apropos comment from someone named JayDangles? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayDangles Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said: Apropos comment from someone named JayDangles? What can I say.. it just fell into my lap 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ilduce39 Posted October 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2021 It’s also important to note that the Canucks do a ton of mental health awareness initiatives. I appreciate that after all the work they’ve done in Rick Rypien’s honour they aren’t turning their back on Hamonic - who has been reportedly having a very tough time with this. 5 1 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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