JM_ Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said: Are you sure about that? These forums alone had a bunch of people defending him when he was battling addiction, including me to an extent(although I don’t agree with everything he says). Not everyone in the US likes him either, nor the UK for that matter. He has followers and people who do not agree with him everywhere. A guy even more immensely hated in Ben Shapiro even was able to speak at UBC back in 2018. We’re also poralized with what the US does. What they do and how they are have an influence to us here in Canada. How much of an influence could be worthy of discussion. We are different in ways and similar in ways also. Overall though if you look at it through another lens, say being from separate country, they’ll likely see more similarities between Canada/US culturally more than most(probably any) other countries and society’s that are on our level. yeah I'm pretty confident in that. E.g., when he talks about socialism it falls pretty flat up here compared to the US where they see that boogeyman everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Just now, JM_ said: well, thats a huge grey area. I mean look at what some people think is reasonable around covid. People are weird. Individuals have their own opinions, thoughts and levels of sensitivity which has some bearing as to what they determine to be reasonable. Just now, JM_ said: Some people feel that the 'terf' thing denies who they are as people, so it upsets them. If people think that another person's opinion of them denies them who they are, that's their problem. An opinion is just that. One person's take or perspective on something. Don Miguel Ruiz wrote a great book called the Four Agreements, and one of those agreements is to not take anything personally. If they're upset with Chappelle or Rowling for their opinions, that's on them to deal with, not Chappelle or Rowling to fix for them. Just now, JM_ said: But Dave knows this and I'm sure expected or even welcomed the blowback. He's not wrong to have an opinion and I'm sure he knew this was going to generate some discussion. Should he go to the places of business where some of the more vocal people work and demand that they be fired because they attacked him online? No, that would be a ludicrous reaction. The same applies going the other way. Just now, JM_ said: have to agree to disagree here. You have the right to call for a politician e.g., to be removed, or Chip Wilson for saying something dumb, same thing with Dave. Sure. Sometimes it's justified, like in Weinstein's case, and sometimes is petty and vindictive. Just now, JM_ said: Again, you and I might just have to agree to disagree. I think up to recently cancel culture has got its power due to massive over reaction by those in power. Once people see its not a big group on most issues its power will fade. It may eventually do so, but it doesn't show much in the way of slowing right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: Individuals have their own opinions, thoughts and levels of sensitivity which has some bearing as to what they determine to be reasonable. If people think that another person's opinion of them denies them who they are, that's their problem. An opinion is just that. One person's take or perspective on something. I actually think that might be part of the point DC is making. I mean its an act first and foremost, which is what Netflix is defending, artistic freedom, not any particular opinion. I also think DC might be purposely showing how little power cancel culture should really hold. He knows he's money in the bank, and has most people on his side as far as protecting free speech. I don't think he picked this issue at random. 2 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: Don Miguel Ruiz wrote a great book called the Four Agreements, and one of those agreements is to not take anything personally. If they're upset with Chappelle or Rowling for their opinions, that's on them to deal with, not Chappelle or Rowling to fix for them. Totally agree. Its like me saying I don't think you're really Irish. 2 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: Should he go to the places of business where some of the more vocal people work and demand that they be fired because they attacked him online? No, that would be a ludicrous reaction. The same applies going the other way. Sure. Sometimes it's justified, like in Weinstein's case, and sometimes is petty and vindictive. It may eventually do so, but it doesn't show much in the way of slowing right now. I really think its the initial over reaction that gave cancel culture its initial "success" for lack of a better term. As more people like Chappelle stand up to it, it will diminish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Haven't read the thread, wanted to post first. I don't watch much DC. He is very talented but I just haven't followed his career closely. I really liked his last Netflix special, The Closer. If anyone could be offended, I guess white people? I mentioned that to my wife as we watched, that he is funny racist-ish. Dave then went on to claim just that later on in the show, about whites. His story about his trans friend was heartbreaking. My wife was in tears. He didn't directly claim it, but her suicide could have been given that extra push by the backlash she got for defending her friend. I agreed with his view as he described how he sees trans-women vs natural born women. There is an obvious difference but every human deserves respect and be allowed to have their own personal 'human experience'. Which is exactly what his trans friend once screamed at him about, her human experience. I also thought he made some funny and good points regarding feminism, maybe he would be a great leader in that movement. His point about the how Hollywood female actors should hire female agents was great. Anyway, I haven't read any of the backlash because I dont care to. Comedy is art and I would like that, and music (lyrics), to be able to continue to push the boundaries. Dave was honest, and I became more of a fan after watching that special. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddhahoodlum Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 I believe this is censorship, and worse, it will lead to a form of self-censorship. We won't ever say anything meaningful to each other for fear of how some people will interpret our words. Those words will then fall out of use, and when we limit words, we limit the number of experiences and ideas we can discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, JM_ said: yeah I'm pretty confident in that. E.g., when he talks about socialism it falls pretty flat up here compared to the US where they see that boogeyman everywhere. I also mentioned Shapiro who spoke at UBC that has almost 2 million views in years on that speech on YouTube that was a Canadian channel, not his own. He is much more hated here yet has a good following. Like the states too people tried to stop him from speaking. If your definition of the US and Canada being considerably different(If that is what you’re implicating) is a single slight ratio difference between the amount of people here and there that follow and disagree with one person’s political ideas, especially when that person has made similar controversial headlines in multiple countries(US/Canada/UK/Scandinavian countries), then I can’t say I agree wholeheartedly. A difference in how we both differentiate. It seems like a small thing to point out, while not taking into consideration the grand scope that I was implying. We’re very much the same in a lot more ways than we are different IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Does anyone on this site agree with the backlash? After reading the thread now, seems like everyone has varying degrees of support for allowing DC to do his thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 16 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said: I also mentioned Shapiro who spoke at UBC that has almost 2 million views in years on that speech on YouTube that was a Canadian channel, not his own. He is much more hated here yet has a good following. Like the states too people tried to stop him from speaking. If your definition of the US and Canada being considerably different(If that is what you’re implicating) is a single slight ratio difference between the amount of people here and there that follow and disagree with one person’s political ideas, especially when that person has made similar controversial headlines in multiple countries(US/Canada/UK/Scandinavian countries), then I can’t say I agree wholeheartedly. A difference in how we both differentiate. It seems like a small thing to point out, while not taking into consideration the grand scope that I was implying. We’re very much the same in a lot more ways than we are different IMO. just one example, its not definitive, but I do think Canada is less polarized and less pulled into polarized debates and the personalities making bank off that. I do think there are many more differences, in how we view immigration and multiculturalism, how we view education and healthcare, what freedom means, place in the world, things like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Western Red Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 The wife and I both agreed that there was nothing in The Closer that should've garnered this kind of 'backlash' ??? It was good, and what's more, provoked thought. Wasn't too down with him mentioning himself as GOAT though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 15 minutes ago, bishopshodan said: Does anyone on this site agree with the backlash? After reading the thread now, seems like everyone has varying degrees of support for allowing DC to do his thing. I don't think so. I'm arguing that we should not try to stop it, let it roll out and show itself for what it is. Otherwise we give it too much power. I don't agree with Dave's thoughts on everything but he is damn funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 1 minute ago, JM_ said: I don't think so. I'm arguing that we should not try to stop it, let it roll out and show itself for what it is. Otherwise we give it too much power. I don't agree with Dave's thoughts on everything but he is damn funny. I can see your point. Perhaps it brings light to this knee jerk society. The Closer was a great special. DC really seemed genuine and intelligent. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Western Red said: The wife and I both agreed that there was nothing in The Closer that should've garnered this kind of 'backlash' ??? It was good, and what's more, provoked thought. Wasn't too down with him mentioning himself as GOAT though. haha, he did the Trump though and didn't claim he was...he said something like ..."some have said (I'm the) GOAT" Edited October 20, 2021 by bishopshodan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanP Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Here’s my short take on the subject. Being Jewish, I hated his “Space Jews” joke. As a result - I’ll stop watching him. But I’m not asking to “cancel” him. I’ll simply stop being his fan, that’s all and he won’t see any of my money. That’s my way of reacting to something that I don’t like. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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luckylager Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Watched Eddy Murphy Raw for the first time in ages recently. Peed a bit Karen culture would all die of aneurisms if that aired again. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekey Pete Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 5 hours ago, buddhahoodlum said: The problem is the "fire Dave" mob are a hell of a lot louder (read: more obnoxious) then the "free Dave" crowd. I guess that's on us the moderate group, but I'm just not a stand up and shout kind of guy. Unless I'm singing along to Dio's Stand Up and Shout. This is everything these days. The insane fringes of society are the loud ones, and the ones that the media just can't resist giving airtime to. Meanwhile the majority of society are quietly going about their lives and shaking their heads at these morons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 9 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said: They should. He has every right to voice his opinion on his comedy special. The Closer was awesome. Those that want Chappelle cancelled and Netflix punished need to get a life and stop trying to alter society to their needs and wants. Not everyone has to agree with everything everyone does. Those who demand as much need to (expletive deleted) right off. of course he does, but freedom doesn't come without consequence and for an entertainer that consequence usually comes when you alienate the ones you're paid to entertain. I like Chapelle, but if you're an entertainer, you have to change with the times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down by the River Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Dave Chappelle's most recent special was &^@#ing awful. Re-hashed jokes, grandstanding, laughing at his own jokes, slapping the mic against his knee... he probably had 10 minutes of new material in the whole thing. You're a rube if you thought it was funny and you're exhausting if you want him canceled because of what he said. If people spent less time getting offended by what he said we could have the time to dissect how bad his set was. The guy left 50 million on the table so that he could go to Africa and do nothing.... now he's taken 50 million from Netflix to go on stage and do nothing. Chappelle is an incredible comedian. One of the greats. But his special sucked. Not because it was offensive. Because it was lazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted October 21, 2021 Author Share Posted October 21, 2021 Employees that walked off the job to protest Chappelle and ask for Netflix to remove his show because of transphobia. Personally I could give two $&!#s about DC and his show but this is censorship. Group of people deciding what is offensive and what is not. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/netflix-walkout-dave-chappelle-transphobia/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKNuck96 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 9 hours ago, PetterssonOrPeterson said: This exactly. We are all different people that were raised in different households and come from a variety of cultures around the world. Isn't it completely normal to have opinions or life-views on certain subjects or topics? It's pretty much a given. That's the beauty of free speech. We're not generations of robots that were raised with the exact same doctrine on life, and someone is malfunctioning because their view is different. Cancel culture is insanity. I slightly disagree. For me Free speech should not be absolute. But where it isn’t should be framed clearly. Inciting Violence, or direct prejudice against protected characteristics should absolutely be restricted. To me freedom of speech does not absolute someone of the consequences of that freedom. Whether that is from the law or from people’s reactions to what is being said. back to DC. Do I think he crossed a line, no. But also is push back against it fair - Yes. However as others have said push back and have discourse, not just foam and demand and end to DC and not engage with anything other than that is not addressing any issues. As a society we grow through discourse and understanding not by shutting the conversation down 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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