VancouverHabitant Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 11 hours ago, DrJockitch said: Cancel culture isn't new. Book burnings to Tipper Gore, it has been used by both sides of the isle in the US. Even as the right wing side is rallying against cancel culture now, they are they continue to be some of the worst practitioners of it. Anyone says anything bad about Trump cancelled by the right. At this point the lunatic wings of both party are excluding the vast majority of the actual population. Seeing it mostly with the left wing in the last 10 years to be honest with you. There were lots of right wing people that didn't want Trump before he got in, and since then both sides have been radicalized thanks to how abrasive Trump's style was. Most of the cancel culture today involves people being labeled anti-vaxxers or Trump supporters as most of the TV and online media is center-left. The rise of the cancel culture was to be expected as really no corporation wants a mess on their hands and so they will cut their ties with whoever they're sponsoring that's involved with anything that could be deemed controversial. Since we're not talking about PBS and CBC, most of the media is not publicly funded and so they have to cancel as fast or faster then corporations in order to retain the ad revenue. As far as older cancel culture, the only thing that springs to mind is how taboo it was to be considered someone that aligns themselves with socialism or worst yet communism back in the day. I will look up what you mean by book burnings to Tipper Gore as I'm not familiar with it. On the subject of Chapelle, I haven't had a chance yet to watch the show so I will check it out now. If there wasn't so much fuss raised about it, I probably wouldn't have even thought to watch it. The ol' Barbara Streisand effect 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VancouverHabitant Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Btw @DrJockitch never mind, I know exactly what you're talking about when it comes to the Gore censorship. I used to be into hip hop back in the 90s and having parental advisories was often ridiculed. I would call that closer to censorship then cancel culture though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playoff Beered Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Repent mother f@#$%& Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 14 hours ago, Warhippy said: It's either all a joke or none of it is. The issue with this outrage is that they are picking and choosing what is acceptable which is in essence censorship. They are ok with some of it until it pokes at them. Poke an individual and all of a sudden you hate everything and everyone of that orientation. Poke a sport you hate African Americans. Poke a political party you're an extremist. Insanity reigns in the US. I disagree with Netflix firing said individual but they'll get paid. As will Chapelle because he's the most blunt and honest comedian on tv right now and that pisses people off. Why? Because if the shoe fits feel free to lace it up. That's why I always have and always will love Trey Parker. He takes the piss out of everyone and everything including himself. I will always remember the show that took the piss out chef- Isaac Hayes- for quitting south park. Then they made a show taking the piss outa themselves for taking the piss outa Isaac. Isaac's son claims that Isaac never quit someone did it for him. He had had a stroke and had to learn to literally do everything again including the ability to talk. On that note I might not be smart however I can lift heavy things ! Bigs hands, big feet little you know what,and they say 2 outa 3 ain't bad. Mother nature ripped me off ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 11 hours ago, bishopshodan said: Haven't read the thread, wanted to post first. I don't watch much DC. He is very talented but I just haven't followed his career closely. I really liked his last Netflix special, The Closer. If anyone could be offended, I guess white people? I mentioned that to my wife as we watched, that he is funny racist-ish. Dave then went on to claim just that later on in the show, about whites. His story about his trans friend was heartbreaking. My wife was in tears. He didn't directly claim it, but her suicide could have been given that extra push by the backlash she got for defending her friend. I agreed with his view as he described how he sees trans-women vs natural born women. There is an obvious difference but every human deserves respect and be allowed to have their own personal 'human experience'. Which is exactly what his trans friend once screamed at him about, her human experience. I also thought he made some funny and good points regarding feminism, maybe he would be a great leader in that movement. His point about the how Hollywood female actors should hire female agents was great. Anyway, I haven't read any of the backlash because I dont care to. Comedy is art and I would like that, and music (lyrics), to be able to continue to push the boundaries. Dave was honest, and I became more of a fan after watching that special. Bloody great post brother. It illustrates why I hold you in such high esteem. Every human does indeed deserve respect. Pretty freakin simple really,treat others as you wish to be treated. Where I lose respect for people is when they obviously treat others in a manner they would not like to be treated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 15 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said: You're missing the point. Civil discourse is a great thing. Disagreeing and, then, discussing benefits everyone. That way both sides present their perspective and get exposure to another. The people that want Chappelle's stuff off of Netflix aren't seeking civil discourse and discussion. They don't agree with his take and are outright demanding that it be removed. There is no middle ground and zero ability to reason being displayed here. So, if they aren't willing to reasonable, why should they be treated reasonably? Dunno if you have noticed Phil as history illustrates, reason and logic aren't the strong points of our species. Edited October 21, 2021 by Ilunga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, DrJockitch said: Cancel culture isn't new. Book burnings to Tipper Gore, it has been used by both sides of the isle in the US. Even as the right wing side is rallying against cancel culture now, they are they continue to be some of the worst practitioners of it. Anyone says anything bad about Trump cancelled by the right. At this point the lunatic wings of both party are excluding the vast majority of the actual population. Itchy jocks, books, manuscripts have been burnt since their inception. One of the first recorded manuscript burnings was in China. Around 213BC old Emperor Qin Shi Huang ordered a book burning as a means to bolster his power. Roman rulers liked the odd book burning. Of course one of the church's favourite tactics to control information was book burning. The library of Alexandria was burnt down several times. Then there was the book burnings organised by Hitler. People write books others want to erase them. Me I like stone tablets myself Make them effers work harder. Edited October 21, 2021 by Ilunga 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Luck Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 The more offensive the funnier it is lol. Luv it. Hope all the Karen's have a stroke from all their woke shock over it lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Industrious1 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Complain all they want, I don't see Dave changing his stance or his comedy style unlike say....Russell Peters. His stuff is just hard to watch now, which is a huge shame because at one point I thought he was one of the funniest comedians out there. Comedy is a pretty tough gig right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 6 hours ago, VancouverHabitant said: Seeing it mostly with the left wing in the last 10 years to be honest with you. There were lots of right wing people that didn't want Trump before he got in, and since then both sides have been radicalized thanks to how abrasive Trump's style was. Most of the cancel culture today involves people being labeled anti-vaxxers or Trump supporters as most of the TV and online media is center-left. The rise of the cancel culture was to be expected as really no corporation wants a mess on their hands and so they will cut their ties with whoever they're sponsoring that's involved with anything that could be deemed controversial. Since we're not talking about PBS and CBC, most of the media is not publicly funded and so they have to cancel as fast or faster then corporations in order to retain the ad revenue. As far as older cancel culture, the only thing that springs to mind is how taboo it was to be considered someone that aligns themselves with socialism or worst yet communism back in the day. I will look up what you mean by book burnings to Tipper Gore as I'm not familiar with it. On the subject of Chapelle, I haven't had a chance yet to watch the show so I will check it out now. If there wasn't so much fuss raised about it, I probably wouldn't have even thought to watch it. The ol' Barbara Streisand effect being blacklisted in the 50s was clearly cancel culture, but as others have pointed out it been around in many forms. The only thing new now is the immediacy of social media driving a lot of it. There are actually a lot of issues brought up, at the end of the show DC makes some interesting points about empathy but I'm not sure that message is rising to the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 9 hours ago, CBH1926 said: Employees that walked off the job to protest Chappelle and ask for Netflix to remove his show because of transphobia. Personally I could give two $&!#s about DC and his show but this is censorship. Group of people deciding what is offensive and what is not. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/netflix-walkout-dave-chappelle-transphobia/ Agreed, I don't think this is right. I read reports some employees were also trying to barge their way into company meetings that didn't involve them. Don't like what your platform is offering? Raise a concern with your boss, or leave the company if you need to. Too many people feel they should have things exactly their way. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 5 hours ago, Ilunga said: Dunno if you have noticed Phil as history illustrates, reason and logic aren't the strong points of our species. Not across the board, no. I've seen some sapiens use it quite well though. I think a lot of humans are happy to dull all senses as much as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddhahoodlum Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Society has become so divisive- just check out the Covid thread for proof. I believe this is an intentional plan on behalf of the Elite. Much like how they sponsored Occupy Wall Street, how they have fake protesters at G20 meetings destroying property, or how the CIA had (and probably still does) their operatives posing as journalists. So much easier to control society if they're bickering among themselves. I think Orwell's words will prove to be prophetic- If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—forever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted October 21, 2021 Author Share Posted October 21, 2021 Nice hit piece by CNN, of course written by a person with the same skin color are Chappelle.https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/20/entertainment/dave-chappelle-controversy-netflix-black-comic-tradition/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 12 hours ago, stawns said: of course he does, but freedom doesn't come without consequence and for an entertainer that consequence usually comes when you alienate the ones you're paid to entertain. I like Chapelle, but if you're an entertainer, you have to change with the times I don't think Chappelle is alienating the ones he's paid to entertain. He seems to sell out where ever he goes, and is more popular now that when he had the Chappelle Show. He's older and his voice has dropped an octave in frequency, but his comedy is still a perfect mix of social commentary and side-splitting hilarity as it's always been. The times have changed but he's maintained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicklas Bo Hunter Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Trans comedian supports Dave, Trans community hounds the comedian until they end up killing themselves. Dave starts a trust fund for that comedians daughter..... how does this equal Dave being evil? They obviously have selective hearing. Literally every joke was that Black people have it harder than Trans people. Can the community really dispute that? The worst part of this whole thing is Dave treats every race, gender and sexual orientation as equal... ever group gets his attention. If he is not making jokes about you then he is ignoring you and you no longer matter to him. Just my two thoughts not a fact and opinion. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Stand up comedy should be void of criticism unless it is said in a hateful way. Its very clear most the time what is a joke and what serious because its all jokes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 17 hours ago, JM_ said: I actually think that might be part of the point DC is making. I mean its an act first and foremost, which is what Netflix is defending, artistic freedom, not any particular opinion. Totally. The right to express oneself. I'm glad to see them doing so. 17 hours ago, JM_ said: I also think DC might be purposely showing how little power cancel culture should really hold. He knows he's money in the bank, and has most people on his side as far as protecting free speech. I don't think he picked this issue at random. I see your point. Others have walked away or quit to avoid backlash, Winston Marshall being a prime example, but Dave is weathering the storm coming his way, brushing it off his shoulder like a boss. I do think he approached the subject matter quite well, and showed that he has empathy and compassion, which has helped. 17 hours ago, JM_ said: Totally agree. Its like me saying I don't think you're really Irish. How would you know, other than believing my words, right? That takes some faith on your part. 17 hours ago, JM_ said: I really think its the initial over reaction that gave cancel culture its initial "success" for lack of a better term. As more people like Chappelle stand up to it, it will diminish. Possibly. I think people began to feel a lot of pressure from people threatening to boycott things. It will diminish for sure, and then it'll raise it's ugly head again somewhere down the line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 12 hours ago, Down by the River said: Dave Chappelle's most recent special was &^@#ing awful. Re-hashed jokes, grandstanding, laughing at his own jokes, slapping the mic against his knee... he probably had 10 minutes of new material in the whole thing. You're a rube if you thought it was funny and you're exhausting if you want him canceled because of what he said. If people spent less time getting offended by what he said we could have the time to dissect how bad his set was. The guy left 50 million on the table so that he could go to Africa and do nothing.... now he's taken 50 million from Netflix to go on stage and do nothing. Chappelle is an incredible comedian. One of the greats. But his special sucked. Not because it was offensive. Because it was lazy. Disagree. His latest special, which closes the Netflix narrative he created and delivered throughout his specials, is a gdamn masterpiece in comedy and social commentary. Maybe you're not fully aware of what he's critiquing and it doesn't interest you, but for those who are, his message is not only hilarious but also, and more importantly, critical in helping swing the pendulum back towards the centre. His message is about how divisive our society is at the moment, and that we need to somehow get to the point where we can make fun of each other and all laugh together, all while lifting each other up in society rather than hypocritically focusing on our own plights at the expense at others. His specials are profound and important, and no one else is able to do what he does, so if he doesn't do it, who will? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 25 minutes ago, Jester13 said: Disagree. His latest special, which closes the Netflix narrative he created and delivered throughout his specials, is a gdamn masterpiece in comedy and social commentary. Maybe you're not fully aware of what he's critiquing and it doesn't interest you, but for those who are, his message is not only hilarious but also, and more importantly, critical in helping swing the pendulum back towards the centre. His message is about how divisive our society is at the moment, and that we need to somehow get to the point where we can make fun of each other and all laugh together, all while lifting each other up in society rather than hypocritically focusing on our own plights at the expense at others. His specials are profound and important, and no one else is able to do what he does, so if he doesn't do it, who will? As a massive Dave Chappelle fan I can state fairly confidently that this is your narrative, not his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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