JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 1 hour ago, CBH1926 said: Speaking of banana yellow, I think Lauren has seen her fair share of bananas. Well I know she saw one when her husband whipped it out in front of a bunch of children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBackup Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 (edited) "Man who despises and knows absolutely nothing about guns accidentally kills someone when handed a gun." Colour me absolutely shocked. Next you'll tell me somebody got behind the wheel after drinking and crashed their car. EDIT: This comment was made out of shock at what happened and a dislike of Alec Baldwin. After some time to consider it I recognize it isn't fair and I rushed to the comment before we have a full picture of the situation. I'm not going to be a coward and delete it, but I'm adding this addendum to clarify I recognize it isn't right to make comments like this in this situation and I don't stand by it. Edited October 23, 2021 by McBackup 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedestroyerofworlds Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 6 hours ago, McBackup said: "Man who despises and knows absolutely nothing about guns accidentally kills someone when handed a gun." Colour me absolutely shocked. Next you'll tell me somebody got behind the wheel after drinking and crashed their car. Tell me that you know nothing about acting scenes in movie and TV productions that involve firearms without actually saying you know nothing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, Alflives said: Why were there even live rounds available? It’s a friggin’ movie! This is really what makes this very strange. How does a live round slip in there? What prop person would have such a messy kit that this mistake could happen? It would be the number 1 priority to make sure the correct round is in the chamber, you know...because they will be pointing and shooting at each other! I know this is sad but there has to be an investigation into the possibility of foul play. It's so unacceptable that I have hard time accepting just a mix up with the bullets. Ridiculous. Edit: Just read this: https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/23/entertainment/alec-baldwin-rust-shooting-saturday/index.html An assistant director handed Alec Baldwin a prop firearm and yelled "cold gun" before the actor fired and killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and injured director Joel Souza, according to a court document. Something is off here.. Edited October 23, 2021 by bishopshodan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Humans make human errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 14 minutes ago, gurn said: Humans make human errors. Still could 'criminal negligence'. Whoever loaded the gun could be charged. Manslaughter perhaps. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 "Swiss Cheese" safety. A series of mistakes line up in such a way that the mistakes travel all the way through the cheese with out being stopped by something. Most mistakes are seen and fixed right away. Some are not seen by the first person, but stopped by the second person involved. Many a time I've been directed by an Officer Of The Watch to turn the ship heading to 210 degrees, on the compass. I've asked, "Say again", " did you mean 310"- as 310 is the course that keeps us off the rocks. They will correct the course they want, and all is well; however what happens if the quartermaster is new to the route and just does as they are told. The Quarter master is supposed to repeat the order and then do the maneuver, this gives the officer a chance to hear their mistake and correct the course. There should also be 3rd person on the bridge to pick up on the mistake. So 3 people are able to correct the error as a team, inside of established rules, designed to eliminate any mistakes. But what happens when the Quartermaster is new, the Officer of the Watch misses his mistake and the 3rd person on the bridge is just there for a free ride, as they think the other two have everything in control, so the 3rd is thinking about how late they are going to be to pick up their kid after school. Now you have a mistake that got past 3 people and something really, really bad can happen. This incident based, on preliminary stuff we've heard, had all of this going against it; and who know what else gets revealed in the coming days. Tired crew Fired crew New crew People doing jobs they don't normally do. All those holes in the cheese lining up perfectly for a tragedy. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedestroyerofworlds Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 A little hyperbole with the hypocrisy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Why is everyone calling this a prop gun? A prop gun is a fake gun, it cannot shoot live rounds. He was given a real gun. So who gave him the real gun and loaded it up with a live round? And why didn't Baldwin figure out it wasn't a prop gun? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 14 hours ago, bishopshodan said: Still could 'criminal negligence'. Whoever loaded the gun could be charged. Manslaughter perhaps. According to this article concerns had been raised for weeks about safety on the set before this "incident" happened. https://truthout.org/articles/cinematographers-death-by-prop-gun-is-not-just-a-tragedy-its-a-labor-issue/ Let's hope the truth comes to light. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 7 hours ago, thedestroyerofworlds said: A little hyperbole with the hypocrisy. Harry did apologise " My family and I are deeply sorry for all that vice president Cheney and all his family have had to go through this past week. We send our love and respect to them". https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/feb/18/usa.dickcheney So go easy on Harry OK ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10125827/Alec-Baldwins-Rust-film-NEVER-finished-shooting-leaves-cinematographer-dead.html?ito=push-notification&ci=X-r05UeAMv&cri=SaiR2e8Oi4&si=39548349&xi=05ebb8ab-baa8-4b12-9baf-4a41a45c6677&ai=10125827 Earlier this week, experts told DailyMail.com that guns containing live ammunition are never used in filming, and it is uncertain why a loaded gun was on the set at all. Although Alec Baldwin, who fired the fatal shot, will likely be named in upcoming lawsuits, whoever loaded the gun will be the most likely to face criminal charges. On Saturday, it was revealed by TMZ that Colt pistol in question had previously been used recreationally for target practice by crew members. Sources claim that some of the set's crew would go off for target practice using real bullets, and some believe that a live round from those sessions found its way into the barrel of the gun used on set. Another source told TMZ that live ammo and blanks were being stored in the same area on set, offering another possible explanation as to how a bullet was fired from Baldwin's Colt. This is not a prop gun. It was a real gun. They were literally using the exact gun for target practice with real bullets. Unbelievable... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedestroyerofworlds Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 13 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10125827/Alec-Baldwins-Rust-film-NEVER-finished-shooting-leaves-cinematographer-dead.html?ito=push-notification&ci=X-r05UeAMv&cri=SaiR2e8Oi4&si=39548349&xi=05ebb8ab-baa8-4b12-9baf-4a41a45c6677&ai=10125827 Earlier this week, experts told DailyMail.com that guns containing live ammunition are never used in filming, and it is uncertain why a loaded gun was on the set at all. Although Alec Baldwin, who fired the fatal shot, will likely be named in upcoming lawsuits, whoever loaded the gun will be the most likely to face criminal charges. On Saturday, it was revealed by TMZ that Colt pistol in question had previously been used recreationally for target practice by crew members. Sources claim that some of the set's crew would go off for target practice using real bullets, and some believe that a live round from those sessions found its way into the barrel of the gun used on set. Another source told TMZ that live ammo and blanks were being stored in the same area on set, offering another possible explanation as to how a bullet was fired from Baldwin's Colt. This is not a prop gun. It was a real gun. They were literally using the exact gun for target practice with real bullets. Unbelievable... Real weapons, guitars can be used as PROPS in a scene. (I mention guitar for what happened in "The Hateful 8") The issue is how real ammunition made its way on set in the revolver as this movie was a Western. Dummy rounds would commonly be used in loading scenes and in scenes to give the revolver the appearance that it was loaded. Having issues with the crew/production could easily see enough confusion between dummy rounds and the live round for this to occur. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4petesake Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 This video is from a propmaster’s channel and sheds some light on protocols that are in place but not followed. This is the head armourer for the film, responsible for seeing that all protocols are in place and followed. She has since deleted all her social media accounts. I generally try not to judge a book by the cover but have to admit I don’t find this tweet terribly reassuring. https://twitter.com/TeresaFreeThink/status/1452003565090783235?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1452003565090783235%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ffampharmapro.in%2Fwoman-in-charge-of-guns-on-alec-baldwins-movie-set-deletes-her-social-media-accounts%2F 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Yep. Gotta be at least criminal negligence charges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 8 hours ago, 4petesake said: This video is from a propmaster’s channel and sheds some light on protocols that are in place but not followed. This is the head armourer for the film, responsible for seeing that all protocols are in place and followed. She has since deleted all her social media accounts. I generally try not to judge a book by the cover but have to admit I don’t find this tweet terribly reassuring. https://twitter.com/TeresaFreeThink/status/1452003565090783235?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1452003565090783235%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ffampharmapro.in%2Fwoman-in-charge-of-guns-on-alec-baldwins-movie-set-deletes-her-social-media-accounts%2F I might be judgmental, but gal like this looks like she would fit better as a barista at Starbucks or a bartender at one of those craft beer joints. Anyone letting her handle any gun that is not a toy is an idiot. Also rule number one, always assume that the gun is loaded and never point it at people. When someone hands you a gun and says it’s empty follow the rule number one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedestroyerofworlds Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 19 minutes ago, CBH1926 said: I might be judgmental, but gal like this looks like she would fit better as a barista at Starbucks or a bartender at one of those craft beer joints. Anyone letting her handle any gun that is not a toy is an idiot. Also rule number one, always assume that the gun is loaded and never point it at people. When someone hands you a gun and says it’s empty follow the rule number one. A movie set would be the exception. The video makes it clear that the normal procedures were not followed. The actors and set crew are reliant on the armourer and AD getting it right. This didn't happen here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4petesake Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 22 minutes ago, CBH1926 said: I might be judgmental, but gal like this looks like she would fit better as a barista at Starbucks or a bartender at one of those craft beer joints. Anyone letting her handle any gun that is not a toy is an idiot. Also rule number one, always assume that the gun is loaded and never point it at people. When someone hands you a gun and says it’s empty follow the rule number one. It was really her juvenile TikTok video that she put out that seemed so at odds with the kind of professional you’d think would be in charge of something as important and dangerous as arming weapons. Also now apparently the A.D. who handed Baldwin the gun and pronounced it safe did so without even bothering to look at it, as well as the gun was supposed to have been armed in his presence and kept in his sight at all times. Neither of which happened according to the latest report. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nuckin_futz Posted October 26, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 26, 2021 When do people (all people) collectively stand up and reject this type of mean spirited crap? Do we wait until he sends one to the widower and his kid? 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 On 10/26/2021 at 10:57 AM, nuckin_futz said: When do people (all people) collectively stand up and reject this type of mean spirited crap? Do we wait until he sends one to the widower and his kid? He is gigantic piece of $&!# just like his old man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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