Why is Benning known as a good drafter?

[ken kaniff]

I’m going to apologize. I hate Benning with a passion. I think he’s an awful GM and I don’t understand how he gets a pass by this fan base. Whenever I think of what he has done I get very angry because imo he’s been so bad. We don’t need this topic. I was just angry. Go Canucks go

Edited October 26, 2021 by ken kaniff

[BlastPast]

You have no clue what you're talking about. 

[Viper007]

15 minutes ago, ken kaniff said:

Just curious why this notion he’s a good drafter keeps coming up. We have good young players because we have sucked for so long. We would have even more good young players if Benning drafted better and didn’t trade away so many draft picks. We would arguably have a better team if Benning had just went off if TSNs draft board rather than make picks himself.

 

I’ll examine the 1st round picks.

 

Virtanen - Off the board. Picked 6th overall, projections were he would go 10-15. Nylander and Ehlers were consensus at that spot. Bust.

 

McCann - Traded for Gudbranson. Can’t be that good a pick if we traded him AND a 2nd for Gudbranson who wasn’t even a top pairing dman or a highly regarded dman around the league.

 

Boeser - Consensus for that spot. It was between him and Konecny for the pick. 

 

Juolevi - Off the board. Picked 5th overall. Tkachuk fell to us and he went with not even the top rated Dman (Sergachev). Bust.

 

Pettersson - The one pick I’ll give him. This was off the board and hit a home run. But rumours are Benning didn’t even want Petey and it was the Swedish scout that pushed hard for him. But I’ll give this to him anyways.

 

Hughes - Fell to us at 7th. No brainer to pick Hughes. Would be stupid not to.

 

Podkolzin - Too early to tell. But he was a top 3 projected pick. He fell to us because of the Russian factor.

 

Only other picks that have panned out for Benning are Demko and Hoglander. Rathbone is still too early to tell.

So why with this lacklustre drafting record does he get so much praise? All the picks except Petey that have panned out have been consensus picks so why give him credit for those? His off the board picks have shown he’s not good.

 

All these years of having high draft picks and sucking and all he has to show for it are 3 1st round picks and 2 maybe 3 later round picks. That’s not good.

Now do it for all 30 other teams and see how well they did and then compare.  That's how you get your answer.  Do your own research.

[J-Dizzle]

[King Heffy]

Demko, Hoglander?

[Heretic]

Why is Benning known as a good drafter?

Because he's not known as a bad drafter!

 

 

 

[ken kaniff]

18 minutes ago, BlastPast said:

You have no clue what you're talking about. 

Enlighten me. How is he a good drafter?

[ken kaniff]

12 minutes ago, Viper007 said:

Now do it for all 30 other teams and see how well they did and then compare.  That's how you get your answer.  Do your own research.

Lol I don’t care how other teams do their drafting. I’m talking about Benning. I did my research and concluded he’s not a good drafter

[Viper007]

Just now, ken kaniff said:

Lol I don’t care how other teams do their drafting. I’m talking about Benning. I did my research and concluded he’s not a good drafter

You have to compare to other teams to determine if he's a good drafter or not.  Just shows how much you know regarding drafting.

[ken kaniff]

7 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

Demko, Hoglander?

Yes I mentioned them. Pettersson, Boeser, Hughes, Demko, Hoglander and maybe Podkolzin. Out of all the draft picks and all those years these are all we got

[ken kaniff]

Just now, Viper007 said:

You have to compare to other teams to determine if he's a good drafter or not.  Just shows how much you know regarding drafting.

No you don’t have to compare anything. If other teams have poor or good drafting it means nothing. 
 

I’m looking at Benning alone. And even if I was comparing to other teams he isn’t all that good either

[Viper007]

1 minute ago, ken kaniff said:

No you don’t have to compare anything. If other teams have poor or good drafting it means nothing. 
 

I’m looking at Benning alone. And even if I was comparing to other teams he isn’t all that good either

No team hits on every draft pick.  Your expectations are out of whack.

Edited October 26, 2021 by Viper007

[ken kaniff]

23 minutes ago, BlastPast said:

You have no clue what you're talking about. 

What part of anything I said was wrong?

[ken kaniff]

Just now, Viper007 said:

No team hits on every draft pick.  You're expectations are out of whack.

I never said to hit on every draft pick but in all the years he’s been GM we have 5 maybe 6 players drafted by him that made this team. That’s not good

[Viper007]

Just now, ken kaniff said:

I never said to hit on every draft pick but in all the years he’s been GM we have 5 maybe 6 players drafted by him that made this team. That’s not good

Just because they're not playing on this team doesn't mean he's not a good drafter.  You're missing draft picks like Forsling also.  Players who are playing on other teams.  Draft picks/players are assets.  You didn't even put in Tryamkin who would also be playing if he wasn't in the KHL.

[VancouverHabitant]

"If you want to take something simple out of this to remember for the future, it’s that an average draft class produces about 60 NHL players (between 51 and 69), and about 40 of them (between 36 and 49) will go on to play a significant career in the NHL (at least 300 games played). Those numbers are likely lower than what most expected, and they don’t even take the quality of the player into consideration – a Hall of Fame player is worth the same as a fourth line grinder in this analysis."

https://dobberprospects.com/2020/05/16/nhl-draft-pick-probabilities/ 

 

 

So from 210 players chosen, about 150 to 170 will not make it as NHL players depending on what your criteria is.  

To put it another way, you can expect less then 2 players (closer to 1 player) per team out of each NHL draft to play 200 games or more in the NHL.  

 

 

[AV.]

His best work was in Buffalo.  So many amazing players made whilst he was the director of scouting.  He definitely earned his reputation as a good talent ID from his days there, even if it is twenty years gone by now.

As for his work here, he's definitely done a decent job, although not to the extent that he is this guru some of his stans seem to think he is.  Probably average, maybe slightly above average.  We learn more and more each year as his draftees either make the team or get cut loose.

To be honest, it's always been tough to judge him because he seems so averse at times to keeping picks.  Since the very first draft he was here when he chucked a 2nd and 3rd for Vey and Dorsett, respectively, it seems every draft that's followed, we've always been missing picks.  It makes you wonder how good/comprehensive his drafts could be.
 

[spook007]

33 minutes ago, ken kaniff said:

Just curious why this notion he’s a good drafter keeps coming up. We have good young players because we have sucked for so long. We would have even more good young players if Benning drafted better and didn’t trade away so many draft picks. We would arguably have a better team if Benning had just went off if TSNs draft board rather than make picks himself.

 

I’ll examine the 1st round picks.

 

Virtanen - Off the board. Picked 6th overall, projections were he would go 10-15. Nylander and Ehlers were consensus at that spot. Bust.

 

McCann - Traded for Gudbranson. Can’t be that good a pick if we traded him AND a 2nd for Gudbranson who wasn’t even a top pairing dman or a highly regarded dman around the league.

 

Boeser - Consensus for that spot. It was between him and Konecny for the pick. 

 

Juolevi - Off the board. Picked 5th overall. Tkachuk fell to us and he went with not even the top rated Dman (Sergachev). Bust.

 

Pettersson - The one pick I’ll give him. This was off the board and hit a home run. But rumours are Benning didn’t even want Petey and it was the Swedish scout that pushed hard for him. But I’ll give this to him anyways.

 

Hughes - Fell to us at 7th. No brainer to pick Hughes. Would be stupid not to.

 

Podkolzin - Too early to tell. But he was a top 3 projected pick. He fell to us because of the Russian factor.

 

Only other picks that have panned out for Benning are Demko and Hoglander. Rathbone is still too early to tell.

So why with this lacklustre drafting record does he get so much praise? All the picks except Petey that have panned out have been consensus picks so why give him credit for those? His off the board picks have shown he’s not good.

 

All these years of having high draft picks and sucking and all he has to show for it are 3 1st round picks and 2 maybe 3 later round picks. That’s not good.

Virtanen has played over 200NHL games, and if it wasn't because of his off ice conduct, he would have played more... how is that a bust?

McCann is a top line center in Seattle... how is that a bust?

Juolevi was not off the board... The entire fan base was screaming for a D-man, and he was highly rated.... Failed to live up to expectations, mainly because of injuries...

 

A fair few other picks are playing in the NHL on other teams.

 

All the talk about Consensus picks... I bet a few managers wish they had drafted Boeser earlier than Benning...

 

Finally prior to Benning there was nothing being drafted... 

[Viper007]

Need to do more research like this https://forum.canucks.com/topic/398200-draft-edition-benning-vs-the-world/.  @knucklehead91 did a lot of work on this.

 

[ken kaniff]

4 minutes ago, Viper007 said:

Just because they're not playing on this team doesn't mean he's not a good drafter.  You're missing draft picks like Forsling also.  Players who are playing on other teams.  Draft picks/players are assets.  You didn't even put in Tryamkin who would also be playing if he wasn't in the KHL.

Tryamkin would maybe be playing. Or he could have been a bust. We’ll never know.

 

If they were good draft picks why would he give them away for next to nothing?