Why is Benning known as a good drafter?

[Viper007]

Just now, ken kaniff said:

Tryamkin would maybe be playing. Or he could have been a bust. We’ll never know.

 

If they were good draft picks why would he give them away for next to nothing? 

Cause you have to give up something to gain something.  You know trading assets for other assets.

[VancouverHabitant]

1 minute ago, AV. said:

His best work was in Buffalo.  So many amazing players made whilst he was the director of scouting.  He definitely earned his reputation as a good talent ID from his days there, even if it is twenty years gone by now.

As for his work here, he's definitely done a decent job, although not to the extent that he is this guru some of his stans seem to think he is.  Probably average, maybe slightly above average.  We learn more and more each year as his draftees either make the team or get cut loose.

To be honest, it's always been tough to judge him because he seems so averse at times to keeping picks.  Since the very first draft he was here when he chucked a 2nd and 3rd for Vey and Dorsett, respectively, it seems every draft that's followed, we've always been missing picks.  It makes you wonder how good/comprehensive his drafts could be.
 

I think that his pro scouting has been getting better.  

Really liking what I'm seeing out of Motte and Highmore.  I actually feel okay with him trading away late round draft picks to acquire prospects that are more sure of a thing.  Benning knows very well what the value of a draft pick is.  

 

[VancouverHabitant]

This is a funny thread OP.  

 

We're watching an entire core that's been drafted outside of Miller and Garland.  You will struggle to find more then 2-3 successful teams around the league that have drafted as much of their core.  Tampa and Colorado are the only teams that come to mind and those teams were lucky to win the draft lottery.  

It's a huge difference going from 1st and 2nd overall to 5th and 7th overall. 

Chances of finding a star player fall off a cliff once you go outside the first couple of picks.  

[Devron]

When you hate something or someone you try to find every fault and justify every positive with a this could have been done instead. Becomes tunnel vision essentially. 

Edited October 26, 2021 by Devron44

[Timråfan]

11 minutes ago, VancouverHabitant said:

This is a funny thread OP.  

 

We're watching an entire core that's been drafted outside of Miller and Garland.  You will struggle to find more then 2-3 successful teams around the league that have drafted as much of their core.  Tampa and Colorado are the only teams that come to mind and those teams were lucky to win the draft lottery.  

It's a huge difference going from 1st and 2nd overall to 5th and 7th overall. 

Chances of finding a star player fall off a cliff once you go outside the first couple of picks.  

I just looked at 2015.

Garland, Kaprizov and Gaudette was in 5th.

[cuporbust]

[Nuxfanabroad]

& when you trade a drafted prospect/player(eg: Gaudette) for another who's on your roster, that's essentially another added to a list of successful picks.

[DefCon1]

1 hour ago, ken kaniff said:

Lol I don’t care how other teams do their drafting. I’m talking about Benning. I did my research and concluded he’s not a good drafter

You dont care about other teams drafting but you want to see Benning draft perfectly in each round? Seems unrealistic as GM's drafting success is measured relative to its peers. He drafted Petersson, Boeser, Mccann, Forsling, Podkolzin, Hoglander, Hughes, Rathbone, Gadjovic, Tryamkin, Demko, Dipietro etc. Now there were 2 or 3 busts but those are lots of good players drafted eventhough he always was drafting outside of top 5 and usually had 5 or 6 picks max every year and some years as low as 4 draft picks. Add those up and if Canucks had 10 picks like some other bottom feedimg teams, he would have drafted even more gems. Also add to that  the fact some of his drafted players were traded too soon like Forsling and Mccann or didnt come back like Tryamkin. A couple of those mishaps go our way and we would have a much better team than what we have now, adding Forsling and Tryamkin to that D which has OEL, Hughes and Rathbone.

[Gollumpus]

Hmm, all this time I thought Benning's reputation as a good drafter was because of his time in NASCAR...

 

                                             regards,  G.

[Me_]

1 hour ago, ken kaniff said:

I’m going to apologize. I hate Benning with a passion. I think he’s an awful GM and I don’t understand how he gets a pass by this fan base. Whenever I think of what he has done I get very angry because imo he’s been so bad. We don’t need this topic. I was just angry. Go Canucks go

What did he do?

If you hate watching 36OA14 Demko, 23OA15 Boeser, 5OA17 Pettersson, 7OA18 Hughes, 40OA19 Höglander, if you’re not excited about what 10OA19 Podkolzin is going to bring, if you don’t think drafting six superstars in the making in eight years is good enough, then don’t let the door hit you on your way out of here.

 

Edited October 26, 2021 by Me_

[DefCon1]

1 hour ago, ken kaniff said:

Tryamkin would maybe be playing. Or he could have been a bust. We’ll never know.

 

If they were good draft picks why would he give them away for next to nothing? 

well that is one of his problems, asset management. Otherwise he is a very good drafter. I just hate how he manages assets like Madden, Gadjovic  Forsling, McCann, Tryamkin etc. 

[khay]

I don't agree that Hughes was a no brainer pick.

 

I still remember Brian Burke, "That's a small body."

 

There is no such thing as no brainer pick, unless it's a generational talent like McDavid, Crosby, OV, Lemieux, and etc. Even Rasumus Dahlin may not turn out as the no brainer pick and Lafrenier and so on on and on.

 

Some people are a bit too critical of him. The only way they would give JB any credit is if he was perfect with every first rounders. For example, if JB drafted Ehlers instead of JV and Pasta instead of McCann, and McAvoy instead of Juolevi?

 

I will say that if he did make those picks, the team would have won a cup already and JB would not only be considered good at drafting but the god of drafting.

 

Though, I do wonder about Pasta sometimes. Since he was employed by Boston until 2014 summer, I think it's very plausible that we could have drafted Pasta instead of McCann. I wonder why he chose McCann? Maybe he didn't want to use info from his former employer?

 

[Elias Pettersson]

4 minutes ago, DefCon1 said:

well that is one of his problems, asset management. Otherwise he is a very good drafter. I just hate how he manages assets like Madden, Gadjovic  Forsling, McCann, Tryamkin etc. 

Yes that is exactly the issue.  Benning is a very astute drafter, probably top 5 in the league easy.  He literally has 2 second round picks in the lineup that are star players, plus another one already in the AHL at only 18 years of age who looks to be a star in the making.  Tampa Bay and Colorado have done very well in the draft as well, but they have multiple players on their team that went top 2 in the draft (MacKinnon, Landeskog, Stamkos, Hedman).  Benning has never picked higher than #5 overall and he still has multiple star players on his team.

 

The issue with Benning isn't his drafting, it's what he has done to players after they were drafted, and also the fact that he has traded away many of his draft picks to try and get ready made players.  Like you said that is an issue with asset management, not on the actual selection of players.

[Rindiculous]

54 minutes ago, Timråfan said:

I just looked at 2015.

Garland, Kaprizov and Gaudette was in 5th.

The 2015 draft just wasn't fair to all other draft classes.  It's insane how stacked that draft was I think only 6 years removed it is already the best draft class of all time.

 

One draft class to rule them all, one draft class to find them, one draft class to bring them all and in the darkness bind them

[Devron]

3 minutes ago, khay said:

 

Though, I do wonder about Pasta sometimes. Since he was employed by Boston until 2014 summer, I think it's very plausible that we could have drafted Pasta instead of McCann. I wonder why he chose McCann? Maybe he didn't want to use info from his former employer?

Practically every team passed on Pasta. I mean he should have been at the top of everyone’s list with what we know now. It just happens that he was picked after McCann. It’s the same this with a guy like Aho. Should the team that drafted someone before him in the second round be scrutinized. I don’t know it’s not really a miss when every team missed. Unless it’s just that. Everyone missed on them 

[Devron]

7 minutes ago, khay said:

I don't agree that Hughes was a no brainer pick.

 

I still remember Brian Burke, "That's a small body."

Also This. Hughes was all over the board if I remember correctly. It was a no brainer in JBs mind but not everyone’s else’s! GM were and still are shy to draft small players. Look at Stankoven in this years draft!

[wallstreetamigo]

2 minutes ago, khay said:

I don't agree that Hughes was a no brainer pick.

 

I still remember Brian Burke, "That's a small body."

 

There is no such thing as no brainer pick, unless it's a generational talent like McDavid, Crosby, OV, Lemieux, and etc. Even Rasumus Dahlin may not turn out as the no brainer pick and Lafrenier and so on on and on.

 

Some people are a bit too critical of him. The only way they would give JB any credit is if he was perfect with every first rounders. For example, if JB drafted Ehlers instead of JV and Pasta instead of McCann, and McAvoy instead of Juolevi?

 

I will say that if he did make those picks, the team would have won a cup already and JB would not only be considered good at drafting but the god of drafting.

 

Though, I do wonder about Pasta sometimes. Since he was employed by Boston until 2014 summer, I think it's very plausible that we could have drafted Pasta instead of McCann. I wonder why he chose McCann? Maybe he didn't want to use info from his former employer?

 

Hughes was absolutely a no brainer pick. He was projected even higher iirc. 

 

There are consensus picks for a reason, all through the draft really. Guys who fell for whatever reason that were projected to go higher. Or even guys who are projected to be picked right around where they get picked. It’s not an exact science but it is far more exact than simply taking a guess after the top 3 picks. Even top picks are not always the best player, but they are still the consensus pick at the time.

 

Expecting any GM to draft perfectly is ridiculous. Expecting them to hit home runs on all their 1st rounders isn’t even a truly realistic expectation.

 

Benning has drafted pretty good overall. A couple of big fairly obvious at the time misses by drafting for position over bpa and a pretty terrible job translating those good later picks into anything of value on the team or in the system definitely brings his overall grade down a few notches though.

[Rindiculous]

2 minutes ago, Devron44 said:

Practically every team passed on Pasta. I mean he should have been at the top of everyone’s list with what we know now. It just happens that he was picked after McCann. It’s the same this with a guy like Aho. Should the team that drafted someone before him in the second round be scrutinized. I don’t know it’s not really a miss when every team missed. Unless it’s just that. Everyone missed on them 

He's talking about specifically Benning's involvement with Boston.  He was part of Boston's team like 5 weeks prior, and then with that knowledge Boston selected Pastrnak with the next pick after McCann.  However who knows.  Maybe Boston really wanted McCann and Benning snatched him up before Boston could pick him.

[CanuckleHorse]

The first few years the drafting was done by Trev’s mom  and many of the decisions were made by Linden so I give him a mulligan up until Trevor stepped down.

Edited October 26, 2021 by CanuckleHorse

[Devron]

Just now, Rindiculous said:

He's talking about specifically Benning's involvement with Boston.  He was part of Boston's team like 5 weeks prior, and then with that knowledge Boston selected Pastrnak with the next pick after McCann.  However who knows.  Maybe Boston really wanted McCann and Benning snatched him up before Boston could pick him.

My point was some people like to point out that we could have drafted Pasta but obviously so could have 20 other teams. Who knows why Benning chose McCann for sure after being with Boston maybe he’s right didn’t wanna leave a bad taste in their mouth if he knew they were high on Pasta