Seattle Stanley Cup Banner

[Kevin Biestra]

It's fine with me.  It would be nice if the Canucks did something to honor the Millionaires.  Who cares if it's the same franchise.  The city won the Stanley Cup and where else would hockey fans go to celebrate that or see it honored than the city's main hockey arena.

 

Retiring #32 however is one of the stupidest things I've ever seen in the NHL.  A number taken out of circulation to signal something totally meaningless.  Retire the # of Bernie Morris or some other legend from the old days if you want one in the rafters.  Instead, make sure everybody knows for all eternity that the Kraken were the 32nd team, as if anybody cares or ever will.  What could be a more worthless thing to indicate with a retired number.

 

The Canucks' attempt to retire #7 for the fans for about two weeks was less idiotic.

 

Edited October 27, 2021 by Kevin Biestra

[IBatch]

What is really funny .... going to an OTT game and seeing their cup banners up there.   And folks complain about some of the things hanging in our arena. 

 

Go to a Habs game in their building at least once - put it on your bucket list.   It's incredible really.    Aside from being an actual fire hazard, every single one is deserving.    

[IBatch]

1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Both Toronto and Montreal use their cup wins during that 1915-1926 period in their official totals and have banners for them as well.  They both however have been the same team the entire time, Montreal being founded in 1909 and Toronto being founded in 1917.  Toronto were originally the Arenas and then the Patricks before changing their name to the Maple Leafs under new ownership.  So technically even though they changed their name twice it was always the same franchise.

 

Vancouver, Seattle and Ottawa are technically different franchises today than from the 1915-1926 period, so none of them should be putting up any banners.  Vancouver and Ottawa did not but Seattle chose to.  Seattle also chose to retire a number from day one.

 

Basically Seattle is putting up a Stanley Cup banner and a retired jersey simply for marketing purposes.  They are not a traditional franchise so they are not following traditional rules.  At the end of the day they can do what they want but in my opinion both banners look kinda silly and amateurish to be honest.

OTT has all theirs hanging in a row ... really aside from Alfie era they haven't had much else to celebrate.     Was a little surprised to see them there but actually didn't mind too much that they honoured that era, a lot of great hockey players have come from the Valley (it's not a valley lol, not like the ones in BC at least - Castlegar is a valley) ... Potvin and the Hull brothers ... plus a bunch way back when... Guess they need something to start with, but i agree it's a little bit cheap.   At least OTT has a ton of history with both teams and especially players that came through this area.  

[NewbieCanuckFan]

3 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Both Toronto and Montreal use their cup wins during that 1915-1926 period in their official totals and have banners for them as well.  They both however have been the same team the entire time, Montreal being founded in 1909 and Toronto being founded in 1917.  Toronto were originally the Arenas and then the Patricks before changing their name to the Maple Leafs under new ownership.  So technically even though they changed their name twice it was always the same franchise.

 

Vancouver, Seattle and Ottawa are technically different franchises today than from the 1915-1926 period, so none of them should be putting up any banners.  Vancouver and Ottawa did not but Seattle chose to.  Seattle also chose to retire a number from day one.

 

Basically Seattle is putting up a Stanley Cup banner and a retired jersey simply for marketing purposes.  They are not a traditional franchise so they are not following traditional rules.  At the end of the day they can do what they want but in my opinion both banners look kinda silly and amateurish to be honest.

Meh on the Laff Cups.  *ALL* in an era when there was only six teams.  And a good number of them when there was effectively only three competitive teams (look up the term ‘the Norris league’ for further reference).

[BlakeQuinnAndEggs]

Extremely cringeworthy. I'd expect that though from a dump like Seattle. Kraken suck, Seahawks suck, mariners suck!

 

They are the enemy. I want a battle of Alberta type of hatred for that city and team.

[goalie13]

10 hours ago, PetterssonOrPeterson said:

Completely different teams, owners, and franchise. 

 

We also didn't grow up cheering for the Millionaires franchise, we cheer for the Canucks.

 

So for instance, with the LA Clippers and LA Lakers in the NBA, if either one of those teams happens to win the championship one year, should the other also take credit for the other franchise's win?

They're two of the biggest rivals.

 

In soccer, how about Manchester United and Manchester City? Both fanbases literally have a history of hatred for eachother. 

 

lol. You clearly don't know how professional sports works and it shows.

A little harsh don't you think?

 

It's fine if you don't like the idea, most don't.  But your analogy is broken.  The Canucks and the Millionaires never played at the same time.  They have never been rivals.  Heck, the Canucks have even worn the Millionaires' jersey.  You would never see that happen in either of your examples.

[goalie13]

6 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Basically Seattle is putting up a Stanley Cup banner and a retired jersey simply for marketing purposes.  

Isn't every single banner raised and every jersey retired, simply for marketing purposes?

[McBackup]

All you people saying Ottawa doesn't raise banners for their early 1900s cups clearly dont know much about the Senators. They're the worst culprit of all. Not only do they have a banner for each of them, but they actively pretend they're the same team that won them.

 

[MaxVerstappen33]

6 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Both Toronto and Montreal use their cup wins during that 1915-1926 period in their official totals and have banners for them as well.  They both however have been the same team the entire time, Montreal being founded in 1909 and Toronto being founded in 1917.  Toronto were originally the Arenas and then the Patricks before changing their name to the Maple Leafs under new ownership.  So technically even though they changed their name twice it was always the same franchise.

 

Vancouver, Seattle and Ottawa are technically different franchises today than from the 1915-1926 period, so none of them should be putting up any banners.  Vancouver and Ottawa did not but Seattle chose to.  Seattle also chose to retire a number from day one.

 

Basically Seattle is putting up a Stanley Cup banner and a retired jersey simply for marketing purposes.  They are not a traditional franchise so they are not following traditional rules.  At the end of the day they can do what they want but in my opinion both banners look kinda silly and amateurish to be honest.

If it is silly for Seattle to do this then it was also silly for the Canucks to use retro Millionaires jerseys. For the record I was fine with it. But I also believe that the Millionaires cup should count. Its the city that counts. Its our home. Our allegiance isn't to Aquilini's company. Its to our city.

Edited October 27, 2021 by MaxVerstappen33

[MaxVerstappen33]

6 hours ago, Kevin Biestra said:

It's fine with me.  It would be nice if the Canucks did something to honor the Millionaires.  Who cares if it's the same franchise.  The city won the Stanley Cup and where else would hockey fans go to celebrate that or see it honored than the city's main hockey arena.

 

 

 

Yeah. And teams do change ownership and do total rebrands too. So its not really the same franchise after a sale and rebrand.

 

And what about the Jets. Technically a different franchise. But the exact same name and the same city. Say the Jets won a cup in the 80's. Its the same city and same name. But hey , different owners. So the Jets cup doesn't count ? Makes no sense to me

[6of1_halfdozenofother]

Well, they are in "Climate Pledge Arena", and so I guess it shouldn't be surprising that if they have nothing to "reduce", then they'll have to focus on "recycle" and "reuse".  

[MaxVerstappen33]

8 hours ago, N4ZZY said:

Vancouver has, but not the Canucks. 

 

Our allegiance is to our city and our team that is competing for a Stanley cup.

 

I understand the mainstream view. I just don't agree with it.

[MaxVerstappen33]

6 minutes ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

Well, they are in "Climate Pledge Arena", and so I guess it shouldn't be surprising that if they have nothing to "reduce", then they'll have to focus on "recycle" and "reuse".  

Speaking of cringe, that arena name..

[Elias Pettersson]

27 minutes ago, MaxVerstappen33 said:

If it is silly for Seattle to do this then it was also silly for the Canucks to use retro Millionaires jerseys. For the record I was fine with it. But I also believe that the Millionaires cup should count. Its the city that counts. Its our home. Our allegiance isn't to Aquilini's company. Its to our city.

Wearing a jersey for a couple games to commemorate a team from the same city for a championship they won in 1915 is quite different than putting up a permanent banner of a Stanley Cup championship for that team.

 

Owners do change over time. That’s not really the issue. Even Toronto changed owners who renamed the team Maple Leafs. The difference is they bought the exact same team that won the previous championships under a different name. With Vancouver, Seattle and Ottawa those original teams all folded and brand new teams were established many decades later. 

[Nucker 67]

It's not even the same team  

 

[Elias Pettersson]

46 minutes ago, goalie13 said:

Isn't every single banner raised and every jersey retired, simply for marketing purposes?

To a degree yes. But marketing something that is factual is quite different than making up a retired number that nobody had ever worn from day one or raising up a championship banner from a team with a completely different name from 1917. 
 

There is strategic and sound marketing and then there is just stupidity for the sake of trying to pump up a new franchise. 

[Elias Pettersson]

5 hours ago, IBatch said:

OTT has all theirs hanging in a row ... really aside from Alfie era they haven't had much else to celebrate.     Was a little surprised to see them there but actually didn't mind too much that they honoured that era, a lot of great hockey players have come from the Valley (it's not a valley lol, not like the ones in BC at least - Castlegar is a valley) ... Potvin and the Hull brothers ... plus a bunch way back when... Guess they need something to start with, but i agree it's a little bit cheap.   At least OTT has a ton of history with both teams and especially players that came through this area.  

Ottawa has their banners up?  I didn’t realize that. Interesting. Well at least the name on the banner is exactly the same. Some people may not notice the difference. 

[Elias Pettersson]

3 hours ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

Meh on the Laff Cups.  *ALL* in an era when there was only six teams.  And a good number of them when there was effectively only three competitive teams (look up the term ‘the Norris league’ for further reference).

True. You can say the same thing about the other 5 original teams too though. 

[IBatch]

5 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Ottawa has their banners up?  I didn’t realize that. Interesting. Well at least the name on the banner is exactly the same. Some people may not notice the difference. 

Yes I found it a little bit funny, maybe bad luck too.   Should have waited until they won a cup with this version maybe first but at least the fans have something to look at aside from one Eastern Conference championship banner...think they might have a player or two up there as well from back then...

[NewbieCanuckFan]

11 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

True. You can say the same thing about the other 5 original teams too though. 

At least the Habs, Hawks, Wings, Rangers and Ruins (spelling intentional ) all won Cups in the now expanded league.