[proposal] Canucks and Sharks - Yes this is an Evander Kane proposal

[RWJC]

54 minutes ago, Patel Bure said:

Same reason the Canes brought in Tony DeAngelo despite the Rags and his teammates wanting him gone as well.

 

Evander fits our team needs to a perfect tee. From a pure hockey perspective, he is EXACTLY what we need.

I think he'd actually make for one of the best Nux experiments in a long time.

He will have something to prove to detractors and likely be a monster on the ice...and guys like him and D'Angelo LOVE being the adversary, it seems.

 

In terms of ego...yeah awful, but maybe a little bit more of what this team needs. 

 

He had junior success here. He'd be coming full circle so if he gets a handle that this is likely the last chance for redemption and any NHL career, it may be the one thing that helps him correct his direction, and he finally becomes a man.

 

I'd do it in a heartbeat if it was an inexpensive deal to make immediately and over long term in terms of any cap hit/asset.

 

You give Kane a JT Miller and i think those two together would be vicious.

I think Miller is hungrier for success here than some folks realize. This guy missed out on a cup and I think it haunts him.

 

Anyway, if there's any locker room issue with Kane, u waive him, demote him to abby, loan him out, mutual agree to release, entrapment, etc, haha

 

Edited November 2, 2021 by RWJC

[Fanuck]

JB from day 1:  "We're building this club on skill, speed, and character".

 

Certain CDC posters:  "Awww, but what about all these scum-bags we could be signing, they'll change, we know they will....?" 

[CoquitlamDave]

So yes he is what this team needs.  Does his contract fit?  Shedding our higher paid bottom 6 helps that situation.  Maybe with some agreement on rehab for gambling?  An entrance interview with some prerequisites and the possibility to terminate the contract (is that possible?) Maybe hometown life can bring him back down to the ground.  People deserve chances.  Can't image him throwing a game in Vancouver.    I think this is an answer for a psychologist.  And because that is a factor I can see most peoples negative replies.  

[RWJC]

8 minutes ago, Fanuck said:

JB from day 1:  "We're building this club on skill, speed, and character".

 

Certain CDC posters:  "Awww, but what about all these scum-bags we could be signing, they'll change, we know they will....?" 

No I totally agree he's a scumbag.

But he could be OUR scumbag. We don't have one. 

Forgiveness, man!

 

haha im kiddin, although we could send him out and force him into having a deathmatch with Matty UpChuk each time if he wants to stay in the NHL. 

[Patel Bure]

29 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Cap wise it doesn't work.  If you bring in Kane you would need to move Miller...

I like the idea of bringing in Kane but not at the expense of Miller.  If we are looking to move a 6 million dollar man, I’d probably look at Myers.

[Drakrami]

How about we bring back the WCE line? Get Naslund, Bertuzzi, Morrison out of retirement. Pretty sure they'll play better than our current first line. Throwing out completely random ideas and explaining that it will stick is not hard and akin to to buying a lottery ticket - Where's the need for Benning? As for Kane specifically.. the last 3 teams that acquired him turned out soooo competitive... Hes a gem. 

[Elias Pettersson]

43 minutes ago, Patel Bure said:

I like the idea of bringing in Kane but not at the expense of Miller.  If we are looking to move a 6 million dollar man, I’d probably look at Myers.

Brining in Kane and then dumping one of our RHD isn't gonna work...

[Patel Bure]

29 minutes ago, Drakrami said:

How about we bring back the WCE line? Get Naslund, Bertuzzi, Morrison out of retirement. Pretty sure they'll play better than our current first line. Throwing out completely random ideas and explaining that it will stick is not hard and akin to to buying a lottery ticket - Where's the need for Benning? As for Kane specifically.. the last 3 teams that acquired him turned out soooo competitive... Hes a gem. 

 

 

Say what you want about Kane's off ice conduct but the guy has been nothing but mint on it.  The Sharks decline had absolutely nothing to do with E.Kane.

 

To @Elias Pettersson's point, trading Pearson for E.Kane likely wouldn't work from a cap perspective, and so I'd be tempted to do something around Myers for E.Kane (I wouldn't do Miller for E.Kane since Miller is too important for our team).   

 

To San Jose:  Tyler Myers

To Vancouver:  Evander Kane + Nicolas Meloche

 

E.Kane-Pettersson-Boeser

Miller-Horvat-Garland

Pearson-Dickinson-Hoglander

Highmore-Lammiko-Bailey (Podz to Abby)

 

Hughes-Hamonic

OEL-Poolman

Schenn-Meloche

 

Demko

Halak

 

 

[Patel Bure]

8 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Brining in Kane and then dumping one of our RHD isn't gonna work...

I'd try Myers for E.Kane and Nicolas Meloche (RD).

[PetterssonOrPeterson]

1 hour ago, gurn said:

If Kane becomes a Canuck I become a fan of a different team.

The attitude of "Yes, he's an "a jerk" but we could use him to win, is very dangerously close to " Don't tell anyone about Aldrich, till after the playoffs".

 

Frankly I'm shocked by how many people feel end justifies means.

 

THe guy is an absolute trainwreck as a teammate and human.

I think it kind of shows what hockey culture is. 

 

It's why I've become more and more skeptical.

 

Like the Montreal draft pick in Logan Mailloux and San Jose with Merkley a few years back. Not that the Aldrich situation is in any way related, but it just shows how management of some teams completely overlook morality-related issues with individuals and really just think about how this certain player might help us win a Stanley cup someday.

 

Then they always come up with that generic sorry excuse of "oh, well we can change him". Not saying that they can't change. They're kids.

 

But it just shows you how suspect hockey culture is, especially when they know the problems that come with an individual but still choose to employ them anyways.

[higgyfan]

15 minutes ago, Patel Bure said:

E.Kane-Pettersson-Boeser 

Miller-Horvat-Garland

 

Should, Atleast in theory, be an elite top 6.  The trickle down effect of moving Miller down to play with Horvat could be huge.

I agree, in theory, that would be an elite top 6.  Unfortunately, reality shows us that Kane is 30yrs and (after 10 years + 3 teams pro hockey) he is still managing to alienate many of his teammates.  Imo, it would be very risky signing a player that has characteristics and behaviours that could disrupt the harmony on the team.  Multiply this with a 4yr x $7m contract.

 

https://www.yardbarker.com/nhl/articles/sharks_looking_at_evander_kane_trade_due_to_team_friction_issues/s1_16454_35235908

“Good luck” is what one NHL executive thinks about the San Jose Sharks’ chances of winning an Evander Kane trade. “He’s been known to bring turmoil into a team and not bring a team together,” said another NHL source familiar with Kane, “and that seems to have continued.

Doug Wilson is navigating choppy waters in the Bay Area. Sources indicate significant friction built up between Kane and a number of his teammates last season, frustration that was expressed clearly to management in exit interviews".

 

 

 

[Patel Bure]

41 minutes ago, higgyfan said:

I agree, in theory, that would be an elite top 6.  Unfortunately, reality shows us that Kane is 30yrs and (after 10 years + 3 teams pro hockey) he is still managing to alienate many of his teammates.  Imo, it would be very risky signing a player that has characteristics and behaviours that could disrupt the harmony on the team.  Multiply this with a 4yr x $7m contract.

 

https://www.yardbarker.com/nhl/articles/sharks_looking_at_evander_kane_trade_due_to_team_friction_issues/s1_16454_35235908

“Good luck” is what one NHL executive thinks about the San Jose Sharks’ chances of winning an Evander Kane trade. “He’s been known to bring turmoil into a team and not bring a team together,” said another NHL source familiar with Kane, “and that seems to have continued.

Doug Wilson is navigating choppy waters in the Bay Area. Sources indicate significant friction built up between Kane and a number of his teammates last season, frustration that was expressed clearly to management in exit interviews".

 

 

 

Trust me, I completely know where you're coming from on this (as well as other posters on here).   

 

I just can't help but think of the following:

 

1) To what extent would San Jose be willing to move Evander Kane via addition by subtraction?  He Kane become their version of LPlayer Name or Andrew Ladd?  In other words, would they actually be willing to add SWEETENERS in order to move Evander Kane?.........who, despite being 30, is still a damned good hockey player?

 

2) To what extent will Evander Kane realize that a potential opportunity in Vancouver would be his absolute LAST opportunity, and that any more &^@# ups would result in him being done.  Based on this, would Kane be willing to change his ways?  

 

We all know what Kane is like outside of the rink.  Absolute d-bag no question.  BUT - given Kane's skillset (highly skilled, physical, fights, can score, is fast), he's literally exactly what this team needs........to a tee.  From a pure hockey perspective.  

 

Like seriously.....

 

E.Kane-Pettersson-Boeser (Kane being an upgrade on Miller)

Miller-Horvat-Garland (Miller being an upgrade on Pearson)

 

That's an elite top 6 is it not?  Switch Dickinson with Miller and you potentially get..

 

E.Kane-Pettersson-Boeser

Dickinson-Horvat-Garland

Hoglander-Miller-Podkolzin. 

 

San Jose moves a world class hockey player for pennies on the dollar to Vancouver, with the Canucks taking a calculated risk that their current leadership group and core could be enough to keep a leash on Kane, with Kane also realizing that this would likely be his last opportunity.   Kane is 30, but we see guys like Max Pacioretty being effective with a similar age and style.  Kane isn't 35.  He's 30.  I don't know......to me, this seems like a huge opportunity to buy low on a world class player.

[BPA]

I don't believe Kane is vaccinated.  So this might be a roadblock.

 

And if a trade were to happen, I would want SJ to retain 50% of Kane's cap hit.

[Elias Pettersson]

2 hours ago, Fanuck said:

JB from day 1:  "We're building this club on skill, speed, and character".

 

Certain CDC posters:  "Awww, but what about all these scum-bags we could be signing, they'll change, we know they will....?" 

JB also said his goal was to make the playoffs this year.  How is that coming along with all the speed, skill and character guys we have?

[King Heffy]

16 minutes ago, Patel Bure said:

San Jose moves a world class hockey player for pennies on the dollar to Vancouver, with the Canucks taking a calculated risk that their current leadership group and core could be enough to keep a leash on Kane, with Kane also realizing that this would likely be his last opportunity.   Kane is 30, but we see guys like Max Pacioretty being effective with a similar age and style.  Kane isn't 35.  He's 30.  I don't know......to me, this seems like a huge opportunity to buy low on a world class player.

San Jose used all these arguments when they traded for him

[Phil_314]

2 hours ago, Patel Bure said:

I like the idea of bringing in Kane but not at the expense of Miller.  If we are looking to move a 6 million dollar man, I’d probably look at Myers.

If Myers wasn't OEL's defensive partner on both the top pairing and #1 PK unit but was having an off year, then sure.  We need him now though (and no, I'd rather neither Hamonic nor Poolman gets pushed up the lineup if we trade Tyler, since they can shelter Hughes and whoever our 3rd LD is respectively).  

I agree that player style wise we'd probably have a fit but Pearson's such a good fit with Bo (and even moving him and Sutter isn't enough cap space to fit in Kane, and I'm not sure about trading Miller; if we could also trade Holtby and Virtanen's dead cap [which we can't] then we might have something to talk about).

[VegasCanuck]

3 hours ago, Patel Bure said:

[proposal] Canucks and Sharks - Yes this is an Evander Kane proposal

 

Evander Kane is an absolute train wreck outside of the rink and probably does rub many teammates the wrong way inside the lockerroom.  You know who else fit that description once upon a time?  Dennis Rodman.....and the guy helped both the Pistons and Bulls win championships.  
 

The Canucks need a guy who is fast, skilled, big, and plays with an edge.  Yes, Kane comes with baggage.  You know who else comes with baggage?  Tony DeAngelo, and the Canes were willing to give him a clean slate because the guy is a damned good hockey player that can help the team win.

 

To San Jose:  Tanner Pearson + Brandon Sutter

 

To Vancouver:  Evander Kane 

 

I don’t know if this quite works from a cap perspective, but if it doesn’t, then I also suggest that we move Tyler Motte in an independent deal for a draft pick.

 

E.Kane-Horvat-Garland

Miller-Pettersson-Boeser

Hoglander-Dickinson-Bailey (or Podz)

Highmore-Lammiko-Chiasson

 

Hughes-Hamonic 

OEL-Myers

Schenn-Poolman

 

Demko

Halak

 

It’s like that old Kanye West song:  “harder, better, faster, stronger.”

I would literally give up an unprotected 1st round pick to keep Evander Kane off this team.

 

I'm pretty sure that it's going to cost San Jose, at least a 1st round pick, to get rid of him as there isn't a team in this league, in their right mind, who would bring him to their team.

 

If we were bringing him in, you might as well trade Hughes, Pettersson, Boeser, Horvat, etc, for the best draft picks you can get, sign all the guys who will guarantee you last place finishes until Kane's contract expires and keep all the young kids you get from the picks, in Junior, or the AHL, until Kane's contract expires and you can jettison him from the team. You don't want HIS kind of influence around young players if you EVER want to build something.

 

Pearson has been one of our few consistent players so far this season, wouldn't let him go

 

To sum up, your trade would have to be

 

To San Jose: Brandon Sutter

 

To Vancouver, Evander Kane, San Jose's 1st round pick 2022, and 2nd round pick 2023, 2nd round pick 2024.

 

I wouldn't consider taking the problem off their hands for anything less, let them deal with him!

[kloubek]

3 hours ago, gurn said:

If Kane becomes a Canuck I become a fan of a different team.

The attitude of "Yes, he's an "a jerk" but we could use him to win, is very dangerously close to " Don't tell anyone about Aldrich, till after the playoffs".

 

Frankly I'm shocked by how many people feel end justifies means.

 

THe guy is an absolute trainwreck as a teammate and human.

I don't think it's "dangerously close". In fact, I don't think it's even in the same ballpark.

 

The situation you are comparing Kane to is both illegal and very highly immoral. Yes, Kane is an assh*le and has an enormous ego, and I agree he shouldn't get anywhere near this team unless it's in the visitor dressing room. But Aldrich and his actions are on an entirely different level. It's the difference between being a lousy human and an evil one.

[canuck2xtreme]

4 hours ago, Patel Bure said:

What if the Chicago Bulls had said “eff Rodman,” or if the Hurricanes had said “eff Tony DeAngelo?”   I completely agree that Evander is a troubled human being, but his skill set is EXACTLY what we need right now.

 

Look at Tony DeAngelo in Carolina right now:  https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=130876

I agree, his skill set would be a great addition, and would be exactly what we need right now.

 

However,

 

His attitude would be exactly what we don't need right now.
His work ethic would be exactly what we don't need right now.

His personal issues would be exactly what we don't need right now.
The distraction would be exactly what we don't need right now.
The controversy would be exactly what we don't need right now.
The media firestorm would be exactly what we don't need right now.

 

I'd rather find someone with the skill set but without all the massive red flags.

Edited November 2, 2021 by canuck2xtreme

[wildcam]

4 hours ago, Patel Bure said:

[proposal] Canucks and Sharks - Yes this is an Evander Kane proposal

 

Evander Kane is an absolute train wreck outside of the rink and probably does rub many teammates the wrong way inside the lockerroom.  You know who else fit that description once upon a time?  Dennis Rodman.....and the guy helped both the Pistons and Bulls win championships.  
 

The Canucks need a guy who is fast, skilled, big, and plays with an edge.  Yes, Kane comes with baggage.  You know who else comes with baggage?  Tony DeAngelo, and the Canes were willing to give him a clean slate because the guy is a damned good hockey player that can help the team win.

 

To San Jose:  Tanner Pearson + Brandon Sutter

 

To Vancouver:  Evander Kane 

 

I don’t know if this quite works from a cap perspective, but if it doesn’t, then I also suggest that we move Tyler Motte in an independent deal for a draft pick.

 

E.Kane-Horvat-Garland

Miller-Pettersson-Boeser

Hoglander-Dickinson-Bailey (or Podz)

Highmore-Lammiko-Chiasson

 

Hughes-Hamonic 

OEL-Myers

Schenn-Poolman

 

Demko

Halak

 

It’s like that old Kanye West song:  “harder, better, faster, stronger.”

Worst trade for any NHL team ?? Come on this guy had big issues before he went to Sharks? Players there don't want him?

Why would you won't that player?? Never will happen....Canucks will never trade for Kane, never mind his 7 million dollar contract...

NEVER HAPPEN...