[proposal] Canucks and Sharks - Yes this is an Evander Kane proposal

[wildcam]

2 hours ago, Patel Bure said:

I'd try Myers for E.Kane and Nicolas Meloche (RD).

Will be very difficult to trade Kane with all the baggage and 7 million dollars...... Ridiculour to even talk about this....Rather have Myers....

[wildcam]

3 hours ago, JayDangles said:

Gross. Hard NO!

 

This guy isn't a "pet project" or a "just needs a little guidance" fix'er upper. This guy is a career F*** Up. If SJ, with Burns, Karlsson and at the time Thornton couldn't straighten him out, our leadership group isn't going to have an effect.

 

Walk away, forget about Kane. 

I agree100%,  who would want baggage and his private life is so mixed up at 30 yrs old and big contract...

[higgyfan]

5 minutes ago, Patel Bure said:

Trust me, I completely know where you're coming from on this (as well as other posters on here).   

 

I just can't help but think of the following:

 

1) To what extent would San Jose be willing to move Evander Kane via addition by subtraction?  He Kane become their version of LPlayer Name or Andrew Ladd?  In other words, would they actually be willing to add SWEETENERS in order to move Evander Kane?.........who, despite being 30, is still a damned good hockey player?

 

2) To what extent will Evander Kane realize that a potential opportunity in Vancouver would be his absolute LAST opportunity, and that any more &^@# ups would result in him being done.  Based on this, would Kane be willing to change his ways?  

 

We all know what Kane is like outside of the rink.  Absolute d-bag no question.  BUT - given Kane's skillset (highly skilled, physical, fights, can score, is fast), he's literally exactly what this team needs........to a tee.  From a pure hockey perspective.  

 

Like seriously.....

 

E.Kane-Pettersson-Boeser (Kane being an upgrade on Miller)

Miller-Horvat-Garland (Miller being an upgrade on Pearson)

 

That's an elite top 6 is it not?  Switch Dickinson with Miller and you potentially get..

 

E.Kane-Pettersson-Boeser

Dickinson-Horvat-Garland

Hoglander-Miller-Podkolzin. 

 

San Jose moves a world class hockey player for pennies on the dollar to Vancouver, with the Canucks taking a calculated risk that their current leadership group and core could be enough to keep a leash on Kane, with Kane also realizing that this would likely be his last opportunity.   Kane is 30, but we see guys like Max Pacioretty being effective with a similar age and style.  Kane isn't 35.  He's 30.  I don't know......to me, this seems like a huge opportunity to buy low on a world class player.

Awful lot of speculation going on there, Pat.  Seems the stars have to be aligned to make this one work.

 

But say the Canucks get him without loosing a quality player and the team are able to do what 3 other teams have failed at (taming the beast), I still don't see how Kane's $7m salary is added to the books for the next 4 years.

 

 

[Gurn]

54 minutes ago, kloubek said:

I don't think it's "dangerously close". In fact, I don't think it's even in the same ballpark.

 

The situation you are comparing Kane to is both illegal and very highly immoral. Yes, Kane is an assh*le and has an enormous ego, and I agree he shouldn't get anywhere near this team unless it's in the visitor dressing room. But Aldrich and his actions are on an entirely different level. It's the difference between being a lousy human and an evil one.

Kane- the money phone and getting his clothes thrown in the shower is due to jerkish behaviour- which might be overlooked or over came.

 

 

Kane lying about his vaxx status-which is a crime

Kane  had domestic violence restraining orders on him; domestic violence is a crime, however it is only alleged at this point

Kane had sexual assault allegations from his soon to be ex-wife

Kane had sexual assault allegations against him, during his Buffalo days. Note these allegations are not the ones from his soon to be ex-wife

Kane allegedly abandoning his kid- is potentially a crime

Kane offering to pay for an abortion, then refusing to pay is probably a crime, or at least breach of contract

 

Scum is scum. I personally see little difference- both he and Alrdich have exhibited bizarre and illegal behaviour.

 

I re affirm, if he ends up a Canuck I end up following a different team.

 

[Gurn]

2 hours ago, PetterssonOrPeterson said:

Like the Montreal draft pick in Logan Mailloux

Mailoux is a lot younger than Kane, and is not, to my knowledge a repeat offender. Thus I give him the second chance- but i wouldn't give him a third, or a fourth or a fifth.

 

Kane- the money phone and getting his clothes thrown in the shower is due to jerkish behaviour, which might be overlooked or over came.

 

Kane lying about his vaxx status-which is a crime

Kane  had domestic violence restraining orders on him; domestic violence is a crime, however it is only alleged at this point

Kane had sexual assault allegations from his soon to be ex-wife

Kane had sexual assault allegations against him, during his Buffalo days. Note these allegations are not the ones from his soon to be ex-wife

Kane allegedly abandoning his kid- is potentially a crime

Kane offering to pay for an abortion, then refusing to pay is probably a crime, or at least breach of contract

 

How many chances is that?

[mrturkish]

Another one of your epic trade proposals. There’s no way the Canucks want that virus in the dressing room. Please stop. 

[sonoman]

[48MPHSlapShot]

If Kane only had one or two black marks to his name, fine. But he doesn't. He has a laundry list of controversies attached to him. I'm all for second chances, but this would be like his tenth, and considering the severity of some of the stuff he's done and been accused of doing, absolutely not. ESPECIALLY with the Blackhawk situation front and center right now.

[Patel Bure]

2 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said:

If Kane only had one or two black marks to his name, fine. But he doesn't. He has a laundry list of controversies attached to him. I'm all for second chances, but this would be like his tenth, and considering the severity of some of the stuff he's done and been accused of doing, absolutely not. ESPECIALLY with the Blackhawk situation front and center right now.

I see what you’re saying but what does the Blackhawk situation have to do with Evander Kane?   Kane is a lot of things, but he’s not in the same class of scumbag as guys like Aldrich, Stan Bowman, Fehr, and Gary Bettman.

[eeeeergh]

5 hours ago, Patel Bure said:

[proposal] Canucks and Sharks - Yes this is an Evander Kane proposal

 

Evander Kane is an absolute train wreck outside of the rink and probably does rub many teammates the wrong way inside the lockerroom.  You know who else fit that description once upon a time?  Dennis Rodman.....and the guy helped both the Pistons and Bulls win championships.  
 

The Canucks need a guy who is fast, skilled, big, and plays with an edge.  Yes, Kane comes with baggage.  You know who else comes with baggage?  Tony DeAngelo, and the Canes were willing to give him a clean slate because the guy is a damned good hockey player that can help the team win.

 

To San Jose:  Tanner Pearson + Brandon Sutter

 

To Vancouver:  Evander Kane 

 

I don’t know if this quite works from a cap perspective, but if it doesn’t, then I also suggest that we move Tyler Motte in an independent deal for a draft pick.

 

E.Kane-Horvat-Garland

Miller-Pettersson-Boeser

Hoglander-Dickinson-Bailey (or Podz)

Highmore-Lammiko-Chiasson

 

Hughes-Hamonic 

OEL-Myers

Schenn-Poolman

 

Demko

Halak

 

It’s like that old Kanye West song:  “harder, better, faster, stronger.”

Reaaaally dont think its worth it. In any workplace, a bad coworker can tank a teams performance by destroying morale. If he creates a bad locker room, we're going to feel the pain on the ice too. 

Id rather make a fair trade to upgrade scoring without taking on that kind of baggage, even if we have to give up more to do it. 

[48MPHSlapShot]

6 minutes ago, Patel Bure said:

I see what you’re saying but what does the Blackhawk situation have to do with Evander Kane?   Kane is a lot of things, but he’s not in the same class of scumbag as guys like Aldrich, Stan Bowman, Fehr, and Gary Bettman.

His soon to be ex-wife is accusing him of domestic violence and sexual assault. I'm all for presumption of innocence when it comes to the law, but considering his laundry list of controversies, I'm willing to bet there's some merit to those accusations. 

 

If that is the case, how would you feel about having him on the team?

[elvis15]

Rodman had a very strong (literally physically and mentally) team in Detroit to keep him in check before he got wild, and then he had Jordan, one of the best leaders ever who expected performance or you were gone.

 

Kane had a chance when he was younger to correct his ways, but he's gone too far and has way too many issues to even be worth a cap dump. I haven't replied much on proposals in a while but this one is a hard no.

[PetterssonOrPeterson]

1 hour ago, gurn said:

Mailoux is a lot younger than Kane, and is not, to my knowledge a repeat offender. Thus I give him the second chance- but i wouldn't give him a third, or a fourth or a fifth.

 

Kane- the money phone and getting his clothes thrown in the shower is due to jerkish behaviour, which might be overlooked or over came.

 

Kane lying about his vaxx status-which is a crime

Kane  had domestic violence restraining orders on him; domestic violence is a crime, however it is only alleged at this point

Kane had sexual assault allegations from his soon to be ex-wife

Kane had sexual assault allegations against him, during his Buffalo days. Note these allegations are not the ones from his soon to be ex-wife

Kane allegedly abandoning his kid- is potentially a crime

Kane offering to pay for an abortion, then refusing to pay is probably a crime, or at least breach of contract

 

How many chances is that?

Not really in terms of being a repeat offender but just that teams won't hesitate to draft these types of people. 

 

Mailloux had already asked to not be drafted but Montreal did anyways, knowing full-well of his conduct and history.

 

Not saying he doesn't deserve a second chance... he's an 18 year old kid that is prone to dumb mistakes. I just think that some organizations are too lax on the types of people/players they employ and question whether that is a reflection of an underlying toxic hockey culture. Where it's a "boys will be boys" or, "anything for the team" even if it involves issues outside of hockey that need to be addressed but are swept under the rug.

The cover-up of the Aldrich situation is exactly that. 

 

Kane shouldn't even be thought of, let alone acquired via a trade. He is literal human garbage.

Edited November 3, 2021 by PetterssonOrPeterson

[Gurn]

2 minutes ago, PetterssonOrPeterson said:

Mailloux had already asked to not be drafted but Montreal did anyways, knowing full-well of his conduct and history.

That was a mistake on Montreal's part, or any other team that drafted him that year.

The guy wanted a year out, and should have been given it.

In the following year, provided Logan had continued to do those things the Swedish courts wanted him to; I'd have looked hard at drafting him.

 

I'm fine with second chances, and rarely a third, in some circumstances; but never a fourth or more.

[PetterssonOrPeterson]

Just now, gurn said:

That was a mistake on Montreal's part, or any other team that drafted him that year.

The guy wanted a year out, and should have been given it.

In the following year, provided Logan had continued to do those things the Swedish courts wanted him to; I'd have looked hard at drafting him.

 

I'm fine with second chances, and rarely a third, in some circumstances; but never a fourth or more.

This exactly. 

I think Mailloux wanting to not be drafted shows that he was at least aware of his mistake. Although, it was reported that he didn't apologize to the victim until he actually started getting the backlash and the media was all over it..... at least, the very least he took that initial action of self-withdrawing from the draft. 

 

It's on the NHL franchise that ignored this, showing disrespect to both the law and the victim. 

[Canuck Luck]

7 hours ago, Patel Bure said:

To San Jose:  Tanner Pearson + Brandon Sutter

 

To Vancouver:  Evander Kane 

gross...wouldn't give a 7th for that dbag.

[Patel Bure]

19 minutes ago, Canuck Luck said:

gross...wouldn't give a 7th for that dbag.

You wouldn’t give a 7th for a top 6 fast skating skilled power forward that knows how to fight and consistently nets over 20 goals a year with ease?   Really?  The idea of 
 

E.Kane-Pettersson-Boeser 

Miller-Horvat-Garland

 

Doesn’t get you excited?

 

 

[Crabcakes]

One of the reasons why Kane did as well as he did with the Sharks was that they had a very strong and mature leadership group.  Thornton, Pavelski, Couture etc

 

This group is mostly gone now and Kane is off the rails again.  The guy is high maintenance and drama follows him wherever he goes.

 

I used to think that if he came back to Vancouver and under the influence of his mother, he may find himself back on track.  But he is 30 years old and married now.  It's going to take some kind of baby sitter to keep him in line now. 

[kloubek]

4 hours ago, gurn said:

Scum is scum. I personally see little difference- both he and Alrdich have exhibited bizarre and illegal behaviour.

While I must point out, he has been found guilty of little, you do make a convincing argument. Regardless of how we got there, we are on the same page as to our opinion of the idea.

[Bad_BOI_pete]

10 hours ago, Patel Bure said:

You wouldn’t give a 7th for a top 6 fast skating skilled power forward that knows how to fight and consistently nets over 20 goals a year with ease?   Really?  The idea of 
 

E.Kane-Pettersson-Boeser 

Miller-Horvat-Garland

 

Doesn’t get you excited?

 

 

i wouldnt sign him as ufa for free for 7 mill. hes not even worth his cap