WHL rocks Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Tower102 said: So the timeline for a non pro hockey player or rugby players offers no timeline for a pro hockey player???? There is a timeline or they wouldn't have provided one. He's expected to be good in 3 to 5 months. It's not for sure. There's a chance he never plays again. Which rugby player are you talking about? I don't watch rugby. I'd like to read about his recovery. The very reason Buffalo refused to let Eichel have this surgery is because of the risk involved. Eichel could never play again. There is no firm timeline. It's wait and see how he progresses. Edited January 21, 2022 by WHL rocks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 14 minutes ago, Tower102 said: So the timeline for a non pro hockey player or rugby players offers no timeline for a pro hockey player???? There is a timeline or they wouldn't have provided one. According to some it doesn't even offer confirmation that this method of treatment is viable for a hockey player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanSeanBean Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Tower102 said: So the timeline for a non pro hockey player or rugby players offers no timeline for a pro hockey player???? There is a timeline or they wouldn't have provided one. Even if all things are equal with the injury itself, which let's assume it was a full replacement of one of the cervical vertebrae (I'm not sure which one but I would guess C4 or 5) the recovery from this surgery seems to vary wildly. 3-6 months is a huge spread, while I have seen some reports saying a year or 2 isn't crazy. It's fortunate that he is young and able, but we also aren't privy to knowledge about how badly surrounding vertebra or other tissues were damaged. Personally, I haven't worked with this exact surgery. But I have worked with many herniations and other disk issues. Recovery goes very smoothly for some, and can be extremely rough for others. In my experience hockey players are also often difficult cases due to the strain on the body. This surgery seems to be common in contact sports like football, rugby, and MMA, but has never been done with hockey. Those first sports are much more similar to what the human body is anatomically designed to do. Hockey is an extremely tough sport on the body due to the way players impact each other, the position of the body during intense activity, and the unilateral torque placed on the body through much of the sport being played. It's pretty common for injuries to take longer to heal with hockey players because of this factors. Again, not an expert on this exact surgery since it's pretty new (I think it started showing up in the early 2000s) and isn't seen all that much yet. Honestly, and this is just my opinion, I don't think it will become wide spread. My guess is this is a temporary surgery and we will come up with a better method in 10-20 years. I read up on this surgery when I heard about Jack getting it original, and something just didn't sit right with me. Edited January 21, 2022 by Shayster007 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaninMex Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 Eichel is no longer wearing a contact jersey in practice which means that Vegas will be making trades to cover his contract. How does this effect the market? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post coryberg Posted February 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2022 1 hour ago, FaninMex said: Eichel is no longer wearing a contact jersey in practice which means that Vegas will be making trades to cover his contract. How does this effect the market? Amazingly Mark stone is going on the LTIR so they don't need to make moves.... fear not, I'm sure he will be back for round 1 when the cap doesn't matter. 1 3 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 9 hours ago, coryberg said: Amazingly Mark stone is going on the LTIR so they don't need to make moves.... fear not, I'm sure he will be back for round 1 when the cap doesn't matter. It’s from the Tampa Bay playbook 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combover Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 Everyone can use the “Tampa model.” the league won’t do anything about till a Canadian team ( other the leafs) takes advantage of it . Then they’ll back date the punishment for the rule change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballisticsports. Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 On 11/4/2021 at 4:52 AM, qwijibo said: Cap friendly believes Vegas has put Stone on LTIR to make the deal work for the time being What a joke of a league, people figured in November they would do this and they do and yet we still pay penalty for Luongo because 4 yrs after it was signed legal the NHL decided to say it wasn't done in "good faith" of the CBA (but it was still legal) These teams circumventing cap space to bring them back in playoffs ,is obviously unfair ESPECIALLY since these teams ALREADY have a HUGE tax break to pay players less to live there- Thanks NHL and Bettman for running a corrupt league, where every team won't have a chance to win 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 On 2/11/2022 at 11:58 PM, coryberg said: Amazingly Mark stone is going on the LTIR so they don't need to make moves.... fear not, I'm sure he will be back for round 1 when the cap doesn't matter. I don't know why I bother to keep watching this league... it's so corrupt when something like this is so blatant and obvious, but they let it go anyways. I wonder how many Cups Canadian teams would have now if Bettman wasn't running the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted February 15, 2022 Author Share Posted February 15, 2022 5 minutes ago, ba;;isticsports said: What a joke of a league, people figured in November they would do this and they do and yet we still pay penalty for Luongo because 4 yrs after it was signed legal the NHL decided to say it wasn't done in "good faith" of the CBA (but it was still legal) These teams circumventing cap space to bring them back in playoffs ,is obviously unfair ESPECIALLY since these teams ALREADY have a HUGE tax break to pay players less to live there- Thanks NHL and Bettman for running a corrupt league, where every team won't have a chance to win To be fair, stone has been in and out of the lineup all season with back issues. It’s not like they put some scrub on LTIR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 Just now, qwijibo said: To be fair, stone has been in and out of the lineup all season with back issues. It’s not like they put some scrub on LTIR Yea but they can cruise to the playoffs without him. Back injuries are so hard to diagnose, he could easily be playing it up. If the timing of this doesn’t stink to you I have some magic beans to sell you… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanSeanBean Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Yea but they can cruise to the playoffs without him. Back injuries are so hard to diagnose, he could easily be playing it up. If the timing of this doesn’t stink to you I have some magic beans to sell you… You are very right about back injuries, but it smells something fierce. This is on the NHL for allowing it to happen time after time. What's the point of a salary cap if you just let the big dogs work around it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Shayster007 said: You are very right about back injuries, but it smells something fierce. This is on the NHL for allowing it to happen time after time. What's the point of a salary cap if you just let the big dogs work around it? They can’t do anything or it would be obvious they were giving special treatment to Tampa. Guarantee if the next team to do it is a Canadian franchise they’ll close the loophole. Teams need to prove that a player will be out till playoffs or they shouldn’t be able to add cap like this. You can’t just keep a guy out and rest him up till playoffs. There has to be a legit timeline from a doctor, and not a made up one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdeath Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 Mark Stone is quite literally putting a target on his own back if he does miss the rest of the regular season but make a miraculous comeback for round 1 game 1. Just like how kids’ jerseys have STOP on them, Mark may as well have the word GO written on his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EP Phone Home Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 Imagine being ok with this as a hockey fan and calling it “a part of the game” And no Stone played in the all star game and on Monday so he all of a sudden isn’t ok because Jack is ready to go. Like others have said it’s a loophole that if done by a Canadian team it will be shut down as soon as they try it. Might be technically legal in the CBA but we all see (and the NHL) what’s going on. Just because Chicago,Tampa and now Vegas have done it does not make it “a part of the game” such a trash take. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nave Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 Well I guess we now know how Vegas will fit everyone under the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanless Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 This does reek of circumvention But seeing how well Alex Tuch is doing in Buffalo brings me a lot of joy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 On 2/12/2022 at 9:15 AM, BPA said: It’s from the Tampa Bay playbook lol it's not like the chicago blackhawks didn't do it first during 2015 when kane fractured his collarbone and the blackhawks went and loaded up on 6-7mil worth of players at the tdl... kane was "suppose to be back for the western conference final" if they make it.. he magically was ready by game 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 23 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said: lol it's not like the chicago blackhawks didn't do it first during 2015 when kane fractured his collarbone and the blackhawks went and loaded up on 6-7mil worth of players at the tdl... kane was "suppose to be back for the western conference final" if they make it.. he magically was ready by game 1. You doubt the integrity of the Chicago Blackhawks organization? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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