Patel Bure Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 4 hours ago, IBatch said: Ahhh. The biggest what if all-time. IF Messier came, changed his number out of respect for Maki, fell in behind Linden and used his "leadership" to add value to the team as a second line center...we could of iced two incredible lines. And won some cups...all the players were in their primes..and maybe we could of got a couple 40/40 seasons out of Messier, kind of had that Howe vibe at the time. Like Ovi does now same age. Check out the previous two Messier seasons, and those were dead puck era ones too. One thing that may have helped that dreaded 97/98 season would have been getting Alex Mogilny signed on time. The damage had already been done by the time Mogilny joined the team. Wondering if there’s a bit of a parallel between that team and the current Canucks? We finally got Hamonic, but will it be too little too late by the time Petey and Brock get their games back? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Baggins Posted November 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 6, 2021 7 hours ago, RU SERIOUS said: With yet another loss in a never ending cycle of failure & disjointed play on the ice - following a nearly complete new cast of players brought in over the past couple of years (including 11 new players this year alone - which was expected to turn the team around), is it possible that we are witnessing the greatest assembly of incompatable players ever put together in team history? How did we descend into the bottom basement so fast, after all the changes this off season? and... Are we witnessing the greatest assembly of incompatible Canucks players in team history? ...in the same week. You're outdoing your very typical negativity. You said it yourself, half the team is new players. That's a lot of guys not just learning a new system but also unfamiliar and getting to know each others style and tendencies. Only two d-men started the season that were here last season, with one of them missing camp and most of preseason. Plus a top four d-man not showing up for personal reasons. Then there's the two primary penalty killers out to start the season. Add in Pettersson off to a slow start after missing camp and most of preseason. Does anybody expect that to last all season? If you're a realist and add all that up, a slow start to the season shouldn't be a surprise at all. The only surprise for me is how ineffective the PP has been. But Petey isn't shooting and Hughes seems overconfident and taking too many risks along the blueline. It won't last. It's far too early to be hitting the panic button. At least give them to the quarter mark before declaring the sky is falling. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSVII Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 (edited) This isn't on the talent or chemistry of the roster. It's on a coaching staff that is playing a grinding 'not to lose' style incompatible with the personnel, despite being given the most talented team since the start of the GMs 8 year tenure. Edited November 6, 2021 by DSVII Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John.Tallhouse Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Chris12345 said: No. Man you can really tell who started watching hockey in 2011. Underrated comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 (edited) We are witnessing an oddly incapable PP since the lineups are largely the same (minus the occasional swapping of Chiasson for Boeser), plus one of those regulars (Petey is having an off start to the season). If I'm coach I'd rather give him some PP2 time and hopefully let his timing catch up to him there. In the meantime, I'd want to see the following (note: not leaving Petey to dry but rather letting him face lesser defenders while still playing with guys he has chemistry in Boeser and Hoglander). PP1: (Podkolzin net front + puck retrieval, shot threats from the wings and the bumper; the wings can swap for more unpredictability) Podkolzin Garland - Horvat - Miller Hughes PP2: (similar to PP1, Pearson net + retrieval, two legit one-timers for OEL to set up; Hoglander can shoot or dangle) Pearson Boeser - Hoglander - Petey OEL Edited November 6, 2021 by Phil_314 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckfanforlife82 Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, DSVII said: This isn't on the talent or chemistry of the roster. It's on a coaching staff that is playing a grinding 'not to lose' style incompatible with the personnel, despite being given the most talented team since the start of the GMs 8 year tenure. We don’t have penalty killers. Who is that on? We don’t have scoring in the bottom six or chemistry? He built the roster. We are a really small team. Perimeter players. Who built the roster? Edited November 6, 2021 by Canuckfanforlife82 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biff Tannen Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 11 minutes ago, DSVII said: This isn't on the talent or chemistry of the roster. It's on a coaching staff that is playing a grinding 'not to lose' style incompatible with the personnel, despite being given the most talented team since the start of the GMs 8 year tenure. TBH I think this is the OP's real opinion and they only made this thread because they can't make endless one's about Green any more. I guess this is marginally more inventive but, like our PP, just as boring and predictable. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU SERIOUS Posted November 6, 2021 Author Share Posted November 6, 2021 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said: TBH I think this is the OP's real opinion and they only made this thread because they can't make endless one's about Green any more. I guess this is marginally more inventive but, like our PP, just as boring and predictable. Someone's had their coffee this morning ! You're hired! Edited November 6, 2021 by RU SERIOUS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 On paper I completely disagree, this may be one of the most balanced/deepest lineups we've ever had. On ice it's shambles but I think that translation is more due to coaches and systems than assembly. On each line and defensive pairing we've got (on paper) the perfect combination of grit, defensive awareness, shooting ability and playmaking ability. We really lack size and toughness the way we have in the past though. Miller (grit) - Pettersson (playmaker) - Boeser (shooter) Pearson (grit) - Horvat (shooter) - Garland (playmaker) Hoglander (playmaker) - Dickinson (grit) - Motte (grit/shooter?) Podz (shooter) - Sutter (grit) - Chiasson (grit) OEL (od) - Poolman (dd) Hughes (od) - Hamonic (dd) Rathbone (od) - Myers (dd) Schenn (dd) Of course that's a fully healthy lineup on paper pending whatever Green wants to do with the players. Sure, we've had a couple of bottom-6 forwards injured, but that's no excuse for why this on-paper, well balanced lineup is playing as dreadfully as it is. I think the pieces are in place, Green just isn't executing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biff Tannen Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 15 minutes ago, RU SERIOUS said: Someone's had their coffee this morning ! You're hired! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Guest Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 Add a point each game and we're back in it. Fix the PP and the PK and that sparks it. The PP with the Lotto line has performed in the past. So is the problem 'chemistry?' If Motte and Suttter come back strong does that fix any problem on the PK? Is any problem there 'chemistry,' in any case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckfanforlife82 Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 (edited) We don’t have the personnel to fix the pk. Takes a special player to be good at the pk. We didn’t have enough even with Sutter and motte. We can only be successful if we can outscore our problems. The pp has to get going for any success. Edited November 6, 2021 by Canuckfanforlife82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxVerstappen33 Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 2 hours ago, Chris12345 said: No. Man you can really tell who started watching hockey in 2011. Speaking of 2011, we had some losing streaks with the elite team. I remember AV was a loss away from being fired. We played and won against Carolina. Or maybe that was a later team I dunno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris12345 Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Phil_314 said: We are witnessing an oddly incapable PP since the lineups are largely the same (minus the occasional swapping of Chiasson for Boeser), plus one of those regulars (Petey is having an off start to the season). If I'm coach I'd rather give him some PP2 time and hopefully let his timing catch up to him there. In the meantime, I'd want to see the following (note: not leaving Petey to dry but rather letting him face lesser defenders while still playing with guys he has chemistry in Boeser and Hoglander). PP1: (Podkolzin net front + puck retrieval, shot threats from the wings and the bumper; the wings can swap for more unpredictability) Podkolzin Garland - Horvat - Miller Hughes PP2: (similar to PP1, Pearson net + retrieval, two legit one-timers for OEL to set up; Hoglander can shoot or dangle) Pearson Boeser - Hoglander - Petey OEL I'd play Petey 25 minutes a night. Get him going. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 11 hours ago, RU SERIOUS said: With yet another loss in a never ending cycle of failure & disjointed play on the ice - following a nearly complete new cast of players brought in over the past couple of years (including 11 new players this year alone - which was expected to turn the team around), is it possible that we are witnessing the greatest assembly of incompatable players ever put together in team history? This is a retard and when i said that as a kid i got slapped, a totally retarded thread. Can a mod please shut this guys &^@#ing mouth please. Greatest assembly ?!!!!. Like wow. All RU Serious does, is crap on everything that happens - good bad or indifferent. Seems happier whenever we lose. That's what these are: Also i'm putting myself in a time out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 4 hours ago, Baggins said: It's far too early to be hitting the panic button. At least give them to the quarter mark before declaring the sky is falling. I mean it's not far away. Game number 12 coming up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris12345 Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 6 minutes ago, N4ZZY said: I mean it's not far away. Game number 12 coming up. They are only 4 points out of third and 1 game in hand. Very early. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 3 hours ago, DSVII said: This isn't on the talent or chemistry of the roster. It's on a coaching staff that is playing a grinding 'not to lose' style incompatible with the personnel, despite being given the most talented team since the start of the GMs 8 year tenure. ugh. coaching not to lose is a bad strategy. It never works. I hope Green realizes this and changes his approach, because if he doesn't and the team and the individual players continue to underperform, he's not going to remain as head coach of this team. Would Brad Shaw be any better? He's supposed to offer Green some new insight or systems or ideas. What's he doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajax- Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 2 hours ago, Chris12345 said: I'd play Petey 25 minutes a night. Get him going. And loose a lot of faceoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris12345 Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 12 minutes ago, Ajax- said: And loose a lot of faceoffs Miller can take the draw. It's a good point you make though. So the number one franchise center can't win a draw? Concern? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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