Kragar Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 minute ago, bishopshodan said: So, no to a manslaughter charge on his first killing? You see it as self defense? I don't know enough about it to have an opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Kragar said: I don't know enough about it to have an opinion. Ok. thanks. In one of your posts you said something like manslaughter was a stretch . I wanted to ask you about the first killing as that one includes an unarmed man. Edited November 8, 2021 by bishopshodan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kragar Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 hour ago, JM_ said: is that a fact, or some kind of twitter speculation? that would be one hell of a coincidence for these two to run into each other that night. No idea. I havent been paying much attention to this, tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 This article explains all the possible sentences for KR. Carrying a gun over the state line while underage is misdemeanor In Wisconsin and punishable up to 9 months in prison. https://abc7chicago.com/kyle-rittenhouse-trial-charges-shooting-kenosha-wisconsin/11191163/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, CBH1926 said: This article explains all the possible sentences for KR. Carrying a gun over the state line while underage is misdemeanor In Wisconsin and punishable up to 9 months in prison. https://abc7chicago.com/kyle-rittenhouse-trial-charges-shooting-kenosha-wisconsin/11191163/ What’s premeditated murder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Alflives said: What’s premeditated murder? Planning to kill someone. I don’t see that being a case here since he didn’t know any of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 12 hours ago, Kragar said: No idea. I havent been paying much attention to this, tbh. Looked it up - apparently this is what one witness claims he heard. Dunno, some pretty scary implications for this summer of protesting if this kid wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Snopes has this as unproven. My eyes tell me that it is that same kid. Along with looking identical, those Crocks are the extra sprinkle. Good kid. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/kyle-rittenhouse-punch-woman-video/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 11 hours ago, CBH1926 said: This article explains all the possible sentences for KR. Carrying a gun over the state line while underage is misdemeanor In Wisconsin and punishable up to 9 months in prison. https://abc7chicago.com/kyle-rittenhouse-trial-charges-shooting-kenosha-wisconsin/11191163/ thats interesting, there are a few things there they can get the little weasel on. He's just out there firing at everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 While I think this pos needs to go to jail, and for a long time, there's an element of self defense. For the first killing, a guy does fire a shot first and for the second, he is attacked. All that said, they need to make this kid an example of what happens to armed vigilante's or else they're sending a signal to these militia's that it's open season on protestors. I'd hope this kid gets at least 10-15 years, but I have zero faith in this train wreck of a country 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 9 hours ago, CBH1926 said: Planning to kill someone. I don’t see that being a case here since he didn’t know any of them. Whatever his sentence (*IF* he is convicted), one year will seem like twenty in an adult Federal Pen unless he's in protective custody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kragar Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 hour ago, JM_ said: Looked it up - apparently this is what one witness claims he heard. Dunno, some pretty scary implications for this summer of protesting if this kid wins. Who knows. Maybe, just maybe, if he does win, it will help make future protesting actually peaceful, not just mostly peaceful. The protesters that came armed (firearm or blunt weapons), or with bricks and rocks to damage property... they were all looking for trouble, and that needs to be discouraged. The vigilante method is not ideal, but some good could come as a result. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kragar Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: Whatever his sentence (*IF* he is convicted), one year will seem like twenty in an adult Federal Pen unless he's in protective custody. good point, considering what side of the event the other inmates would have been on if they were outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, stawns said: While I think this pos needs to go to jail, and for a long time, there's an element of self defense. For the first killing, a guy does fire a shot first and for the second, he is attacked. All that said, they need to make this kid an example of what happens to armed vigilante's or else they're sending a signal to these militia's that it's open season on protestors. I'd hope this kid gets at least 10-15 years, but I have zero faith in this train wreck of a country Another guy pled guilty to discharging the gun when the first killing happened. But there were several other shots fired in that same area and they don’t know who the shooter was. First victim was unarmed, third guy that was wounded had a handgun in his hand before he got shot. Too many morons in one place and too many guns. First victim was in prison for 10-12 years for deviant crimes with little kids. Now we know that has no bearing on this case, but if that is presented in the case, Rittenhouse might get a medal. Also his girlfriend testified that he tried to kill himself and was released from the hospital day or two before he died. Plus he was on the video, confronting another armed group saying to kill him and he was off his meds. I am hoping for some sort of reckless endangerment or gun violation that will result in prison sentence. People that think KR will be convicted of premeditated murder or first degree murder are smoking some good stuff. Never going to happen in a place that has gun fetish and so many cream their pants just talking about the guns. Edited November 8, 2021 by CBH1926 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 24 minutes ago, Kragar said: Who knows. Maybe, just maybe, if he does win, it will help make future protesting actually peaceful, not just mostly peaceful. The protesters that came armed (firearm or blunt weapons), or with bricks and rocks to damage property... they were all looking for trouble, and that needs to be discouraged. The vigilante method is not ideal, but some good could come as a result. I have real doubts that mob/vigilante actions will lead to anything other than more of this kind of case. When did mobs make anything safer? More chance this leads to more things like a return of race riots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, JM_ said: I have real doubts that mob/vigilante actions will lead to anything other than more of this kind of case. When did mobs make anything safer? More chance this leads to more things like a return of race riots. Agreed. If this kid walks, I wouldn't be surprised to see a repeat of the Rodney King riots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kragar Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, JM_ said: I have real doubts that mob/vigilante actions will lead to anything other than more of this kind of case. When did mobs make anything safer? More chance this leads to more things like a return of race riots. Agreed. I'm not advocating it as a solution, just pointing out that perhaps future protesters could hopefully de-escalate the violence as a result of what happened here. If all the prior protests were peaceful, we likely wouldn't be having this discussion, as there would have been no incentive for Rittenhouse to show up. Unless he was the kind of person to instigate violence when there was none. For the little I have been exposed to this, I haven't seen anything to support that he would act like that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Yikes... The kid, underaged took weapons across state lines illegally. Shot two people dead and then ran away. Sefl defense? Hard to prove. Was there intent? I mean come on.... Gonna pass on this because yikes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 13 minutes ago, Kragar said: Agreed. I'm not advocating it as a solution, just pointing out that perhaps future protesters could hopefully de-escalate the violence as a result of what happened here. If all the prior protests were peaceful, we likely wouldn't be having this discussion, as there would have been no incentive for Rittenhouse to show up. Unless he was the kind of person to instigate violence when there was none. For the little I have been exposed to this, I haven't seen anything to support that he would act like that. there's just so much potential for things to go sideways. You can have a peaceful protest from any group, and nut jobs from either spectrum can show up with a brick. Who knows why this kid was motivated to do what he did. Sounds like a combo of bad parents, online radicalization (proud boys, etc), and whatever else was in his head. He certainly wasn't going just to be helpful, he was looking to play militia and got burned. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarcore Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Kragar said: Who knows. Maybe, just maybe, if he does win, it will help make future protesting actually peaceful, not just mostly peaceful. The protesters that came armed (firearm or blunt weapons), or with bricks and rocks to damage property... they were all looking for trouble, and that needs to be discouraged. The vigilante method is not ideal, but some good could come as a result. Well non violent protests don't do $&!#. They tried that for decades. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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