MrCanuck94 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 9 minutes ago, Bure_of_94 said: Hodgson was a loss but when he started failing we traded him for kassian and Kassian’s addiction issues got the best of him here... so it all played out. - Jake never lived up to his potential... character issues and the fanbase/organization didn’t seem to want to part with him, he had some okay seasons. nothing great. It is what it is. -Joulevi is the biggest bust because he should have never been a top 5 overall pick. He was a benefactor of playing on a London Squad featuring Dvorak, Marner and Tkatchuk. There was much better D-men available at his Spot (Sergachev, Macavoy & Chychrun). This fanbase incredibly defended him as a top 5 pick... true top 5 picks don’t need 5-7 years to develop. What did he have? 12 nhl games maybe on the 3rd pairing. In a league that’s getting younger and faster and 95% of players are done by age 34...... Joulevi is the modern day definition of a bust... and probably the highest drafted player in the last 10 drafts to bust. Hodgson was far from failing. He was playing his first full season and put up 33 points in 63 games in a 3C role before being traded in what I believe was his age 21 season. Our management was probably overwhelmed from Boston's physical play and traded him for Kassian. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxVerstappen33 Posted November 7, 2021 Author Share Posted November 7, 2021 12 minutes ago, Bure_of_94 said: .. and probably the highest drafted player in the last 10 drafts to bust. It would be interesting to verify this. He will be in there but the highest to bust in the last 10 years ? I hope not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB5 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Having a miss in the first round in a single year shouldn't hurt a team too extensively. That is why imo the consecutive misses from 2007- 2012 are what have hurt this team the most. The Canucks are still recovering from this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxVerstappen33 Posted November 7, 2021 Author Share Posted November 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, MrCanuck94 said: Hodgson was far from failing. He was playing his first full season and put up 33 points in 63 games in a 3C role before being traded in what I believe was his age 21 season. Our management was probably overwhelmed from Boston's physical play and traded him for Kassian. We could have developed him further and he would have been better for it. Same with Micheal Grabner who wasn't a bust either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarcore Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 1 hour ago, TheNewGM said: passing on mathew tchuck I'd take Sergachev if I could redo that draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_of_94 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, MaxVerstappen33 said: It would be interesting to verify this. He will be in there but the highest to bust in the last 10 years ? I hope not. There’s no one else(except the last 2-3 drafts) that played fewer games than Joulevi, drafted top 5 overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 (edited) 26 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: True. Though we still miss that center who can handle some of the duties that Horvat is forced to take. Win some lose some. No GM is perfect but the hits have to outweigh the misses in order to be a successful GM at drafting and to help translate success on the ice. Boston hit a homerun in 2014 with Pasta but 2015 they literally had 3 strikeouts with the 13th 14th and 15th overall picks with the only non-bust being Debrusk. Missed out on a bunch of good players(Connor, Barzal, Konecny, Boeser, Chabot) after those picks. Probably would have beaten STL had they drafted 3 of those players. Canucks have been average at drafting under Benning. Maybe above average. Some big misses and some big successes. Not really anyone to pan out yet in the later rounds yet save for Forsling and maybe Rathbone. IDK what to think about Gaudette as he lost the success he once had. We've done good in the 2nd round though with Hoglander/Demko. As of now a starting goalie and a top 9 player out of the five 2nd round picks Bennings has drafted. Woo/Gadjo/Lind might turn out to be something but that's still to be determined. Hopefully we keep our picks moving forward. Our prospect pool has grown a little bare with the graduates, traded picks and lost prospects(waivers/expansion). Maybe if we have to trade Miller down the line we can stock up on picks/prospects. Keep a steady flow of solid youngsters in the system. Help us to be successful long-term. Edited November 7, 2021 by Junkyard Dog 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_of_94 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, MaxVerstappen33 said: We could have developed him further and he would have been better for it. Same with Micheal Grabner who wasn't a bust either. Nick Jensen comes to mind too. Brendan Gaunce was a complete miss as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxVerstappen33 Posted November 7, 2021 Author Share Posted November 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, Bure_of_94 said: There’s no one else(except the last 2-3 drafts) that played fewer games than Joulevi, drafted top 5 overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaramel MacKhiato Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Passing on Tkachuk. I was upset then, even more upset now. I hate watching nights like tonight where Tkachuk absolutely dominates... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, Bure_of_94 said: There’s no one else(except the last 2-3 drafts) that played fewer games than Joulevi, drafted top 5 overall. A part of that is because of the back to back serious injuries he had that derailed his development but yeah not a good look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_of_94 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Just now, MaxVerstappen33 said: The guys from 3 drafts ago are just starting to make it into the league. So they’ll pass him this year probably unless the panthers start playing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxVerstappen33 Posted November 7, 2021 Author Share Posted November 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, Bure_of_94 said: Nick Jensen comes to mind too. Brendan Gaunce was a complete miss as well. Jensen was 29th over all though. They just don't hurt as much as anything in the top 10. We gave guys like him high esteem because they were all we had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 10 minutes ago, MaxVerstappen33 said: We could have developed him further and he would have been better for it. Same with Micheal Grabner who wasn't a bust either. Grabner was his own worst enemy. Even being traded to the Panthers didn’t get thru to him (couldn’t crack the lineup of a really bad Panthers team). Then even after he had a breakout year, it didn’t take long for him to go back to his old ways (look at all the teams he’s been on). Now he’s on the Yotes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 16 minutes ago, GB5 said: Having a miss in the first round in a single year shouldn't hurt a team too extensively. That is why imo the consecutive misses from 2007- 2012 are what have hurt this team the most. The Canucks are still recovering from this. This for sure.. Starting the rebuild with a knackered aging, largely worthless core and a empty prospects cupboard is the largest contributor to the 8 years of pain. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_of_94 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, Eddie said: This for sure.. Starting the rebuild with a knackered aging, largely worthless core and a empty prospects cupboard is the largest contributor to the 8 years of pain. Also an aging core that was refusing to waive their NTCs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nave Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Honestly, probably Juolevi. Although I am still pulling for him, leading up to the draft I wanted Tkachuk--and it looks like that would have been the right move. I still think that if the sexual assault case didn't happen, Virtanen would have turned into a player for us. Looks like he's doing really well in the KHL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxVerstappen33 Posted November 7, 2021 Author Share Posted November 7, 2021 15 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: Grabner was his own worst enemy. Even being traded to the Panthers didn’t get thru to him (couldn’t crack the lineup of a really bad Panthers team). Then even after he had a breakout year, it didn’t take long for him to go back to his old ways (look at all the teams he’s been on). Now he’s on the Yotes. Mike Gillis fans over stated his issues to legitimize the Ballard trade. He was an all-star for the Islanders and won the skating competition. He got 34 goals the year after we traded him. He got 27 and 25 goals in 2016/1718/19. If we kept him on this team the whole time, he would have been solid for us IMO. He played in the NHL for 12 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_of_94 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 11 minutes ago, MaxVerstappen33 said: Mike Gillis fans over stated his issues to legitimize the Ballard trade. He was an all-star for the Islanders and won the skating competition. He got 34 goals the year after we traded him. He got 27 and 25 goals in 2016/1718/19. If we kept him on this team the whole time, he would have been solid for us IMO. He played in the NHL for 12 years. In a league where the average career is 5 seasons, that’s not too shabby and he almost got 300 career points. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, MaxVerstappen33 said: Mike Gillis fans over stated his issues to legitimize the Ballard trade. He was an all-star for the Islanders and won the skating competition. He got 34 goals the year after we traded him. He got 27 and 25 goals in 2016/1718/19. If we kept him on this team the whole time, he would have been solid for us IMO. He played in the NHL for 12 years. Guy wouldn’t work hard enough to even make the Panthers squad who were Arizona bad at the time. You think a guy like Vigneault would play that guy? Not a chance. I never mentioned Ballard in the post your posting of mine so I’m not sure why you’re trying to shoehorn a point I never made, Both Gillis & Benning had chances to sign this guy for free via free agency. Edited November 7, 2021 by NewbieCanuckFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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