[Proposal] Adding while rising

[Patel Bure]

30 minutes ago, qwijibo said:

And why would Chicago want to move Murphy for Hamonic? He’s wears an A there and they just recently-signed him to a 4 year extension.  I’m thinking he’s part of the long term

plan 

As part of a firesale perhaps.  Granted though, Canucks would likely need to add a 2022 1st to entice Chicago (so something like Hamonic + 2022 1st for Murphy and 2022 2nd).

[Bobby James]

Hamonic seems like the better fit for us. A solid tough right shot defensive defensemen. We have so many left shot 2 way D already with Hughes, OEL then Rathbone coming up. Adding another similar D just doesn't seem that needed unless we are planning on moving Rathbone also and getting some value back. 

 

Maybe I'm totally wrong on Dermott though, my exposure to him is limited. Just feels like Hamonic is more of what we currently need with all the skill already currently back there. 

[NMHockey]

32 minutes ago, Bobby James said:

Hamonic seems like the better fit for us. A solid tough right shot defensive defensemen. We have so many left shot 2 way D already with Hughes, OEL then Rathbone coming up. Adding another similar D just doesn't seem that needed unless we are planning on moving Rathbone also and getting some value back. 

 

Maybe I'm totally wrong on Dermott though, my exposure to him is limited. Just feels like Hamonic is more of what we currently need with all the skill already currently back there. 

So Hamonic is more of what we need when we have Myers, Poolman, Schenn all playing very well and now Burroughs improving every game. But after Ekman-Larsson and Hughes were flat with a questionable Hunt and a raw developing Rathbone? Dermott can play both sides like I said and it was reported Toronto will ask a lot for him. I don’t know why people think and older, slower, twice as expensive Hamonic is a better option… you clearly underestimate Dermott.

[NMHockey]

4 hours ago, JM_ said:

very debatable on the more skilled part. 

You need to watch Dermott more and realize he’s only 24 and far younger, healthier, and quicker than Hamonic.

[NMHockey]

4 hours ago, JM_ said:

very debatable on the more skilled part. 

You need to watch Dermott more and realize he’s only 24 and far younger, healthier, and quicker than Hamonic.

[NMHockey]

4 hours ago, JM_ said:

very debatable on the more skilled part. 

You need to watch Dermott more and realize he’s only 24 and far younger, healthier, and quicker than Hamonic.

[NMHockey]

4 hours ago, JM_ said:

very debatable on the more skilled part. 

You need to watch Dermott more and realize he’s only 24 and far younger, healthier, and quicker than Hamonic.

[NMHockey]

4 hours ago, JM_ said:

very debatable on the more skilled part. 

You need to watch Dermott more and realize he’s only 24 and far younger, healthier, and quicker than Hamonic.

[NMHockey]

10 hours ago, CanucksCountry said:

That line up is interesting in the least, Engvall has negative value right now he has a career high 15 points in 48 games, He isn't the best in his own zone either, (minus 2 this year) He may be a big boy but the leafs need a physical big power forward, and he isn't that or else they wouldn't be shopping him, Rather save the money and have the better player up with the team in Pod,  Dermott has 2 fights in the nhl so I really wouldn't call him a fighter, he does hit about the same much as Hamonic, the biggest stat the worries me with Dermott is His giveaway to takeaway ratio last year on the leafs who where the best in the division he turned the puck over almost 30 times compared to picking it off just 4 which isn't the player we need while comparing this to Hamonic's 19 giveaways to 10 takeaways it seems we are downgrading on the defensive side here, while giving up a player that helps our biggest weakness which a shutdown RHD and we are giving a 2nd round pick to do so, much better options for a 3rd paring LHD elsewhere 

Yeah it’s got great depth and layout.

[JM_]

2 minutes ago, ZH96 said:

You need to watch Dermott more and realize he’s only 24 and far younger, healthier, and quicker than Hamonic.

Hamonic doesn't exactly have one foot in the grave, he's 31. He's a tough guy to play against, and a RHD. 

I don't see how Dermott playing his off side is an improvement. You have to really undervalue Hamonic's experience to do that. 

[NMHockey]

4 hours ago, King Heffy said:

He's a pretty clear downgrade defensively.

Yeah because an older and slower Hamonic with his questionable gap control and letting Glendening walk down central boulevard last night is better defensively. 

[JM_]

Just now, ZH96 said:

Yeah because an older and slower Hamonic with his questionable gap control and letting Glendening walk down central boulevard last night is better defensively. 

that was Burroughs out of place 

[NMHockey]

2 minutes ago, JM_ said:

Hamonic doesn't exactly have one foot in the grave, he's 31. He's a tough guy to play against, and a RHD. 

I don't see how Dermott playing his off side is an improvement. You have to really undervalue Hamonic's experience to do that. 

Because like I said Dermott is younger and faster. And Dermott would slot in as the 3rd pairing LHD like I showed. Or fine you can enjoy Brad Hunt being there and watch us continue to flounder.

Edited November 8, 2021 by ZH96

[King Heffy]

3 minutes ago, ZH96 said:

Yeah because an older and slower Hamonic with his questionable gap control and letting Glendening walk down central boulevard last night is better defensively. 

Better than a defenseman who has never been able to play NHL quality defence.  Dermott is absolute trash in his own zone.  Hamonic also had no camp and took a while to get up to speed last year.  He'll be fine.

Edited November 8, 2021 by King Heffy

[JM_]

2 minutes ago, ZH96 said:

Because like I said Dermott is younger and faster. And Dermott would slot in as the 3rd pairing LHD like I showed. Or fine you can enjoy Brad Hunt being there and watch us continue to flounder.

yeah, you're not selling me on it. Hamonic isn't considered "slow" either, don't know where that's coming from. 

 

Usually guys that give the puck away as much as Dermott does also provide offence. He doesn't. 

 

Just don't see how he's going to be better than Rathbone once he gets 20 or 30 games under his belt in the AHL either. 

[BigTramFan]

This is not a bad proposal but I feel like (essentially) trading RD Hamonic for LD Dermott is like robbing Peter to pay Paul. I would be more in favour of trading a different asset than Hamonic to get a decent 3rd pairing LD. It can't be that difficult to find one. The proposal by @King Heffy for Harrington out of CBJ is a good example. That way we can pair the new LD with Hamonic and not lose the depth we have at RD.

[CanucksCountry]

3 hours ago, ZH96 said:

Yeah it’s got great depth and layout.

I am sorry i am sure you put a lot of thought into this, but it really doesn't you have schenn playing top 2 minutes when he is no where near capable of doing that, Derrmot will be like Pouiliout lite and for all the reasons i said in my last post it makes our team way worse 

[Alflives]

3 hours ago, ZH96 said:

You need to watch Dermott more and realize he’s only 24 and far younger, healthier, and quicker than Hamonic.

Screw the Loser Leafs and their Loser players.  Loser team, and a loser city.  

[NMHockey]

4 hours ago, JM_ said:

that was Burroughs out of place 

Hamonic was his partner and was a reason for it too. And he’s made very scary mistakes like that many times.

[NMHockey]

1 hour ago, CanucksCountry said:

I am sorry i am sure you put a lot of thought into this, but it really doesn't you have schenn playing top 2 minutes when he is no where near capable of doing that, Derrmot will be like Pouiliout lite and for all the reasons i said in my last post it makes our team way worse 

I just pencilled it in that way. Guys can be rotated and having Schenn, Myers, Poolman, Demers, Burroughs rotating through as the RHDs is a problem??? Also Schenn in particular.. did you watch him lately before his injury? He was playing like an all around top four guy with a momentum tilting physical edge. And what? Travis Dermott has the upside to be a bigger Nate Schmidt and is no slouch. Go read. The Leafs want an overpay for him in a trade. Brad Hunt is our Derrick Pouliot.