Potential Benning Replacements?

[PetterssonOrPeterson]

I know there has been a lot of talk on what coaching candidates should/might potentially replace Travis Green if he were let go, but I haven't seen much on any potential GM candidates who could be a good replacement for Benning. 

 

First off IMO, like the consensus at the moment, the problem begins with Benning as he is the one who is hiring these groups of coaches and hasn't really made progress for nearly 8 years now. 

Sure. Let's give credit where credit is due, he brought in this new crop of young players as our core (probably the best drafting run in the history of this team).

However, this was supposed to be the year where the team took a step forward after that disastrous covid, north division season.

Last year was somewhat tolerated as a write-off... which I still don't understand why, there shouldn't be any "write-off" seasons especially when you're trying to win. The owners have for some reason given Jim a longer leash than most owners would with their GM's. Maybe to save money because of covid? Idk.

 

Last season was this team and it's fans suffering because of Benning's FA decisions. He didn't think for the long-term and pretty spontaneous with his signings. That was unacceptable as it was and this season is just a continuation of the team suffering because of both the owner and managment's lack of foresight. There are no more excuses this year. It's time for Benning to face the consequences and be moved on from.

 

One candidate that I have in mind is the current AGM for the Avalanche in Chris MacFarland. 

 

He's been pursued by both the New Jersey Devils and the Arizona Coyotes when their GM positions were vacant and I think he's still looking for a step up from his AGM position. 

20 years of experience, 14 with CBJ and now 6 with COL. He's apparently Sakic's right hand man and works all matters regarding trade and cap management.

 

Not to mention, being responsible for scouting he is experienced in the draft and develop method while keeping draft picks. 

 

He helped build Colorado into the powerhouse team it is today. The mold that the AV's are in, is a dynamic team. MacFarland was a big contributor to that. 

 

Any thoughts? Other Candidates?

 

[Patel Bure]

I’d see if we could get Dean Lombardi out of Philly.  He’s an Executive for the Flyers but maybe he’d be interested in getting another kick at the can as a GM.  MacFarland is a good choice as well (as the OP points out).

Edited November 15, 2021 by Patel Bure

[cuporbust]

If It didn't happen today, I'm not convinced it will happen anytime soon

[iceman64]

It's not going to happen thankfully.. 

[iceman64]

32 minutes ago, PetterssonOrPeterson said:

I know there has been a lot of talk on what coaching candidates should/might potentially replace Travis Green if he were let go, but I haven't seen much on any potential GM candidates who could be a good replacement for Benning. 

 

First off IMO, like the consensus at the moment, the problem begins with Benning as he is the one who is hiring these groups of coaches and hasn't really made progress for nearly 8 years now. 

Sure. Let's give credit where credit is due, he brought in this new crop of young players as our core (probably the best drafting run in the history of this team).

However, this was supposed to be the year where the team took a step forward after that disastrous covid, north division season.

Last year was somewhat tolerated as a write-off... which I still don't understand why, there shouldn't be any "write-off" seasons especially when you're trying to win. The owners have for some reason given Jim a longer leash than most owners would with their GM's. Maybe to save money because of covid? Idk.

 

Last season was this team and it's fans suffering because of Benning's FA decisions. He didn't think for the long-term and pretty spontaneous with his signings. That was unacceptable as it was and this season is just a continuation of the team suffering because of both the owner and managment's lack of foresight. There are no more excuses this year. It's time for Benning to face the consequences and be moved on from.

 

One candidate that I have in mind is the current AGM for the Avalanche in Chris MacFarland. 

 

He's been pursued by both the New Jersey Devils and the Arizona Coyotes when their GM positions were vacant and I think he's still looking for a step up from his AGM position. 

20 years of experience, 14 with CBJ and now 6 with COL. He's apparently Sakic's right hand man and works all matters regarding trade and cap management.

 

Not to mention, being responsible for scouting he is experienced in the draft and develop method while keeping draft picks. 

 

He helped build Colorado into the powerhouse team it is today. The mold that the AV's are in, is a dynamic team. MacFarland was a big contributor to that. 

 

Any thoughts? Other Candidates?

 

keeping draft picks? Are you one of the fools who didn't like the JT Miller trade? 

[Junkyard Dog]

Colarado AGM Chris MacFarland. He's been credited in playing a part in the Avs resurgence from the bottom of the league to a contending team. 

 

 

 

Id still want a president though. An experienced one at that.

Edited November 15, 2021 by Junkyard Dog

[Quantum]

32 minutes ago, Patel Bure said:

I’d see if we could get Dean Lombardi out of Philly.  He’s an Executive for the Flyers but maybe he’d be interested in getting another kick at the can as a GM.  MacFarland is a good choice as well (as the OP points out).

Dean Lombardi has continually rejected offers to work for the Canucks for years. They tried poaching him out of LA after they fired Gillis and then tried to get him after Linden was fired. Lombardi has made it very clear that he'll never work for the Aquilini's and I don't blame him.

 

MacFarland would be my pick for GM. He seems next in line for a GM job. I also do like the idea of Gilman returning as GM, we may need his cap wizardry to get out of our d-core problems.

 

If Benning and Weisbrod are fired by the end of the week, I expect Chris Gear will be the interim GM until they hire someone full time later in the season.

[#Canucks]

Scotty Bowman. Make it happen Aquaman!

 

 

Tbh just get rid of Weisbrod. And replace Baum/Green and maybe brown with NHL Caliber coaching. 

Edited November 15, 2021 by #Canucks

[Junkyard Dog]

5 hours ago, #Canucks said:

Scotty Bowman. Make it happen Aquaman!

Edit: He's 88 and hasn't left the Hawks in over a decade. 

Edited November 16, 2021 by Junkyard Dog

[ShawnAntoski]

Aquaman, should be looking for candidates in organizations that has a track record of successfully going through the cycles.

[Junkyard Dog]

Just now, ShawnAntoski said:

Aquaman, should be looking for candidates in organizations that has a track record of successfully going through the cycles.

We're either gonna have to go after AGMs of contending teams or failed GMs of other teams.

 

MacFarland. AGM of the Avs but helped turned the Avs around when they were at the bottom and has been Sakic's right hand man since arriving. Credited with the stockpile of young talent. Someone who we should consider.

 

Get an experienced President first and foremost though IMO.

[thundernuts]

4 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said:

After the whole Hawks fiasco? The whole reason he was forced to resign? I would say an easy no.

Stan Bowman be like "Even now, my Dad steals my credit"

[PetterssonOrPeterson]

9 minutes ago, iceman64 said:

keeping draft picks? Are you one of the fools who didn't like the JT Miller trade? 

are you one of the fools happy with where this team is at right now? 

 

Never once did I condemn Benning for the Miller trade.

I'm not going to point out every single good/bad move GMJB has done.

The overall consensus of opinion from Canuck fans is that we need a change that starts from the top. I also happen to agree with that.

 

But yeah, keep assuming moron.

[Maddogy]

1 minute ago, Junkyard Dog said:

We're either gonna have to go after AGMs of contending teams or failed GMs of other teams.

 

MacFarland. AGM of the Avs but helped turned the Avs around when they were at the bottom and has been Sakic's right hand man since arriving. Credited with the stockpile of young talent. Someone who we should consider.

 

Get an experienced President first and foremost though IMO.

I'm not for firing J.B. at this point. If ownership is ready though they may ask J.B. to stay as president. J.B. has a good relationship with ownership. 

[PetterssonOrPeterson]

13 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said:

Colarado AGM Chris MacFarland. He's been credited in playing a part in the Avs resurgence from the bottom of the league to a contending team. 

 

 

 

Id still want a president though. An experienced one at that.

This exactly. He's a gem out of any other potential candidates right now.

If I were Aquilini, I'd be inquiring about him to the Avs.

[grandmaster]

I was never wanting JB fired as it never followed the natural progression in dealing with this situation. The coach first, then the GM. But I have to say, given JB’s failure to act to this disaster, I say off with this head.
 

[Junkyard Dog]

1 minute ago, thundernuts said:

Stan Bowman be like "Even now, my Dad steals my credit"

Whoopsies.

 

Still he's been with the Hawks since 2008/09 as a advisor. I doubt he even considers another opportunity at 88.

[PetterssonOrPeterson]

9 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said:

After the whole Hawks fiasco? The whole reason he was forced to resign? I would say an easy no.

That was Stan Bowman his son.

Not Scotty Bowman the legend.

[Junkyard Dog]

3 minutes ago, Maddogy said:

I'm not for firing J.B. at this point. If ownership is ready though they may ask J.B. to stay as president. J.B. has a good relationship with ownership. 

Year 8 I think we overall need to new voice. Regardless of what standing JB has with ownership. We need someone to help build an identity on this team and JB has yet to do that 8 years in.

 

At the current pace we're going we're likely to rebuild again with Miller/Horvat UFA looming. They won't want to stick around if the team doesn't become a playoff team.

 

We have to exhaust all options prior to this. Coaching and GM being the main ones.

[ShawnAntoski]

15 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said:

We're either gonna have to go after AGMs of contending teams or failed GMs of other teams.

 

MacFarland. AGM of the Avs but helped turned the Avs around when they were at the bottom and has been Sakic's right hand man since arriving. Credited with the stockpile of young talent. Someone who we should consider.

 

Get an experienced President first and foremost though IMO.

I was also thinking of MacFarland and the general approach of looking at AGM'S from clubs that had successfully navigated through the different cycles a pro sports team has to undertake. 

 

Imo and based on what I had seen in my career in corporate: some assistants are only meant to be an assistant cause being a top dog is very different (ie: JB).  In terms of Colorado, Sakic is a very shrewd GM, based on his prospects & trades but his hardest job will be dealing with the cap & keeping the KEY talent together.

 

Moving forward, I wonder how Aquaman will assemble HIS leadership group - this for me, is the most interesting part.

Edited November 15, 2021 by ShawnAntoski