buddhahoodlum Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 39 minutes ago, stawns said: most of the usual suspects have never set foot in a dressing room or even on the ice. Their knowledge of hockey comes from EA sports. Ignorant This is the same stupid argument as " well you don't have a hit record so you don't get to criticize Artist A". A mediocre argument from a mediocre mind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 54 minutes ago, appleboy said: It is their team and their money. We can curtique them. totally, agreed. As long as it doesn't get out of hand which it seems to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 52 minutes ago, kanucks25 said: Also it seems like you're more concerned about governing how a fan should think/behave/react than the actual team. Which I guess is just another version of apathy. I'm not apathetic, or trying to control how you think. I just think if someone is angry every day about this, its a problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, buddhahoodlum said: And holding in anger is healthy? Sorry but letting out all those negative feelings out is far healthier for people. if its a good outlet like exercise, sure. But if its helping to generate negativity then no its not healthy at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold Drunken Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 (edited) 34 minutes ago, stawns said: allowed what, exactly? The team improved every year until covid hit. Isn't that what you'd expect from a rebuilding team? Losing seasons 6 of 8 years Missed playoffs 6 of those years (obviously) By improving, you mean still being under .500...just a couple games less each year right? Rebuilding team?? How long does/should a rebuild take in your eyes. How many years have we been rebuilding in your opinion?? "Until covid hit" good god, really? You are living in an alternate reality chief. You're delusional. Edited November 17, 2021 by CJ44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, buddhahoodlum said: This is the same stupid argument as " well you don't have a hit record so you don't get to criticize Artist A". A mediocre argument from a mediocre mind. And I'm free to tell you how stupid and ridiculous you look for spouting off on things you have no experience with That's the general you, not you specifically Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Just now, CJ44 said: Losing seasons 6 of 8 years Missed playoffs 6 of those years (obviously) By improving, you mean still being under .500...just a couple games less each year right? Rebuilding team?? How long does/should a rebuild take in your eyes. How many years have we been rebuilding in your opinion?? You are living in an alternate reality chief. You're delusional. They improved every year until getting blasted by covid. Isn't that what we want? An upward trajectory? It takes a long time to rebuild a franchise and it has many peaks and valley's. Anyone who was expecting anything different just doesn't know much about hockey, imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV. Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, buddhahoodlum said: And holding in anger is healthy? Sorry but letting out all those negative feelings out is far healthier for people. Most of the time, it isn't even anger that people are letting out. It's literally them sharing their opinion and other users getting upset on behalf of the coaching/management/ownership. People could say something innocuous like "Team is garbage, let's fire the coaching/GM" and that gets perceived as "angry". This isn't about angry, or being too emotional, too much whining, or anything close to that. It's about a sect of users, who in their decision to support coaching/management/ownership or because their own self-entitlement, are trying to police reactions, control behaviours, and dominate the discussion. Some of the responses here demonstrate that they really have no idea what fan anger is. You'd think Canucks fans were burgling homes, abusing players, fighting fans of other teams, etc. when the worst thing most of these people have ever done was called for a change passionately. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, CJ44 said: Losing seasons 6 of 8 years Missed playoffs 6 of those years (obviously) By improving, you mean still being under .500...just a couple games less each year right? Rebuilding team?? How long does/should a rebuild take in your eyes. How many years have we been rebuilding in your opinion?? You are living in an alternate reality chief. You're delusional. Detroit is in year 6. We haven't been rebuilding for 8 years, only since Linden left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Harold Drunken Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Just now, stawns said: They improved every year until getting blasted by covid. Isn't that what we want? An upward trajectory? It takes a long time to rebuild a franchise and it has many peaks and valley's. Anyone who was expecting anything different just doesn't know much about hockey, imo. It doesn't take 8 years to rebuild a team...if you're looking for answer. If after 8 years a G.M hasn't achieved the "rebuild", made the team competitive, fighting for playoff seeds that's called failure and underachievement. You can seriously sit there and say "it takes time to rebuild" after this long? If after 8 years the team isn't competitive, not making the playoffs, at the bottom of the league in most statistical categories, against the cap then it's time to start another rebuild lol. To sit there and say "these things take time" is insane, how much time? How many years does Jim get to achieve his master plan? 10 years, 15 years? 20 years? At some point we have to look at the last 8 years and admit this team and Jim has achieved very little. An upward trajectory can be slight, and if the curve is flat enough could take 20 years to become a positive...before covid, improving by 2-3 wins a year and missing the playoffs is not really considered an upward trajectory in the sports world....that's considered failure, again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanucks25 Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 8 minutes ago, AV. said: Most of the time, it isn't even anger that people are letting out. It's literally them sharing their opinion and other users getting upset on behalf of the coaching/management/ownership. People could say something innocuous like "Team is garbage, let's fire the coaching/GM" and that gets perceived as "angry". This isn't about angry, or being too emotional, too much whining, or anything close to that. It's about a sect of users, who in their decision to support coaching/management/ownership or because their own self-entitlement, are trying to police reactions, control behaviours, and dominate the discussion. Some of the responses here demonstrate that they really have no idea what fan anger is. You'd think Canucks fans were burgling homes, abusing players, fighting fans of other teams, etc. when the worst thing most of these people have ever done was called for a change passionately. Spot on. Honestly tired of the fanbase being targeted/talked down so much, it clouds the actual issues. This fanbase has supported this team passionately for over 50 years despite eating a crap sandwich for most of that time. Top-10 every year in revenue, attendance, online engagement, etc. The notion that this market doesn't deserve a team or needs to lose the team to "gain perspective" is complete garbage. Stop it with the excuses and build a winner. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, CJ44 said: It doesn't take 8 years to rebuild a team...if you're looking for answer. If after 8 years a G.M hasn't achieved the "rebuild", made the team competitive, fighting for playoff seeds that's called failure and underachievement. You can seriously sit there and say "it takes time to rebuild" after this long? If after 8 years the team isn't competitive, not making the playoffs, at the bottom of the league in most statistical categories, against the cap then it's time to start another rebuild lol. To sit there and say "these things take time" is insane, how much time? How many years does Jim get to achieve his master plan? 10 years, 15 years? 20 years? At some point we have to look at the last 8 years and admit this team and Jim has achieved very little. An upward trajectory can be slight, and if the curve is flat enough could take 20 years to become a positive...before covid, improving by 2-3 wins a year and missing the playoffs is not really considered an upward trajectory in the sports world....that's considered failure, again. Linden left in 2018, thats when the rebuild began. Its not correct to keep saying "8". So if we are on the same type of track as Detroit, we are a bit ahead of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfgang Durst Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 18 minutes ago, CJ44 said: Losing seasons 6 of 8 years Missed playoffs 6 of those years (obviously) By improving, you mean still being under .500...just a couple games less each year right? Rebuilding team?? How long does/should a rebuild take in your eyes. How many years have we been rebuilding in your opinion?? "Until covid hit" good god, really? You are living in an alternate reality chief. You're delusional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold Drunken Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 13 minutes ago, JM_ said: Detroit is in year 6. We haven't been rebuilding for 8 years, only since Linden left. Yes, and they talent and are performing at a high level than the Canucks too. You can make an argument that there was talk and moves being made while Linden was there that were geared towards rebuilding. In fact, from what I've read is the main gripe between Linden and ownership was the rebuild wasn't happening fast enough, and that Linden wanted to do it the old fashioned way while ownership somehow wanted to do it faster while trying to stay competitive., So I would argue the rebuild was happening prior to 2018...based on the product on this ice, I hope so. Regardless, the team was bad then and doesn't look any better now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold Drunken Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, JM_ said: Linden left in 2018, thats when the rebuild began. Its not correct to keep saying "8". So if we are on the same type of track as Detroit, we are a bit ahead of them. No, the rebuild was happening while Linden was here. Most agree the rebuild started after we were ousted by the Flames in the playoffs 2015. Edited November 17, 2021 by CJ44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Just now, CJ44 said: No, the rebuild was happening while Linden was here. how so? it was stated that he wanted to give the Sedin's another run. Thats not a youth-based rebuild and never was under Trev. If we're going to complain, lets get it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, CJ44 said: Yes, and they talent and are performing at a high level than the Canucks too. You can make an argument that there was talk and moves being made while Linden was there that were geared towards rebuilding. In fact, from what I've read is the main gripe between Linden and ownership was the rebuild wasn't happening fast enough, and that Linden wanted to do it the old fashioned way while ownership somehow wanted to do it faster while trying to stay competitive., So I would argue the rebuild was happening prior to 2018...based on the product on this ice, I hope so. Regardless, the team was bad then and doesn't look any better now. that only happened after the Sedin re-jig flopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold Drunken Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Just now, JM_ said: how so? it was stated that he wanted to give the Sedin's another run. Thats not a youth-based rebuild and never was under Trev. If we're going to complain, lets get it right. After the playoffs in 2015. Again, it might be hard to see because they've tried to do it "on the fly" and it hasn't worked...but they've been talking about this since about 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold Drunken Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, JM_ said: that only happened after the Sedin re-jig flopped. Jim has also been quoted in 2014/2015 referencing this. I can post articles if you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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